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George Pazin

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UPDATE: Get to know Phillip Young starts......now! (9/24)
« on: September 24, 2009, 02:38:55 PM »
Phil has been kind enough to step up at the last moment.

Phil Young has been an extremely valuable poster and resource for this site for a long time. In fact, I would say that there are very few who combine passion for the game with a keen and thoughtful intellect as well as Phil.

He has written a great deal about Bethpage Black and the 2002 US Open held at BB, as well as a great deal on one of the acknowledged greats in the field of gca, AW Tillinghast.

In true Phil spirit, he's ready to field questions, so fire away! Thanks, Phil!

 :)

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Previous participants:

Jeff Brauer

Kyle Harris

Mike Young

Anthony Nysse

Jim Franklin
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

Mike_Young

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Re: UPDATE: Get to know Phillip Young starts......now! (9/24)
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2009, 02:45:34 PM »
Phil,
Have you found in your experience that having the last name of Young really helps you with the women?

And.....is it me or did Tilly change his style frequently.....I just can't figure the guy....and you  should know.....

Hope all is well.
Mike
"just standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona"

Chris_Clouser

Re: UPDATE: Get to know Phillip Young starts......now! (9/24)
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2009, 02:50:04 PM »
Has there ever been any thought put into a possible book spotlighting several of Tillie's courses?  I feel like we discuss the same ones on GCA over and over and would love to see other places like Somerset Hills or Brook Hollow or some others that Tilly had a hand in that are a little off of the radar for the national folks and for GCA.

Or what about a book that compiles his letters as part of his PGA tour and something that evaluates the work that came out of that tour?

Also, are you still involved with Classics of Golf?

Phil_the_Author

Re: UPDATE: Get to know Phillip Young starts......now! (9/24)
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2009, 03:32:52 PM »
Mike, yes, that was until I ran into this old gal in a bar east of Atlanta who wouldn't shut up about the cheap son of a gun name of "Young" who she once had the pleasure of meeting...

Tilly never changed his style. What he did was design each course individually to fit the land where iot was being built as best as possible. He did enjoy some common features but didn't believe in designing by hole model or type unless it fit the land's needs... That is why I chuckle when someone describes "typical" Tillinghast features to me. Take bunkers, for example. I've had people swear to me that a Tillinghast bunker is grass-faced and others who swear that it is flashed all the way to the top of the face with sand. Both are wrong. All one has to do is look at photos of the 18th green at Winged Foot Westy for the 1929 U.S. Open. There one will see a bunker that is 90% grass-faced and others that are completely sand-faced... both types on the same green complex! It is the understanding of WHY Tilly would choose to use one type over another in a specific instance that is the key to identifying whether it is as Tilly designed it...

Chris, I have several more Tilly books, as well as other non-golf related works, planned. I am not one to tout my writing on this or any forum, but since you asked...

Volume II is a complete discussion of his philosophies of design put into actual creation. It covers everything from choosing a site to his views on maintaining the golf course and every feature in-between. Each part is told in Tilly's own words with the vast majority of photos being of those particular features highlighted. It will also include an exhaustive timeline of his work and accounting of what he did at each course he worked on. There will also be a section that goes into great detail about the work done during the PGA course consultation tour.

Volume III is to be a coffee-table style book showcasing every one of the more than 50 courses that have hosted major and national championships, PGA Tour events, international matches, etc...

I am also planning a book about Tilly's fictional Cobble Valley Country Club. I plan to hold a design contest for its creation that I am hoping those on GCA will take part in. It will be 18 holes according to design parameters that Tilly most enjoyed.

Yes, I am still involved with Classics of Golf. I have been approached by several other publishers for specific projects, but no decisions have been made. One that I am strongly considering is a remake of my first print-on-demand book that started all of this for me, Golf for the People: Bethpage and the Black. I will be able to expand it, include photographs (none in the original) and a full and exhaustive course evolution for all five courses; something I've been working on in my spare time.

 

Kalen Braley

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Re: UPDATE: Get to know Phillip Young starts......now! (9/24)
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2009, 03:38:40 PM »
Phillip,

Thanks for volunteering to do this.  Here are my questions:

1)  What are the biggest take-aways from the lastest US Open at Bethpage, both positive and negative?

2)  In your opinion, which architect living or deceased is/was the closest to embodying/representing Tillies GCA philosphies?

3)  If Tillie were alive today would he be doing hairy bunkers or amoeba style?   ;D

4)  If someone held a gun to your head, what are your top 5 Tillie courses in order from best to worst.

5)  Name/describe one thing about yourself or your background that most on this site may not know which you feel would be an interesting insight to who you are?

Thanks for being a sport,

Kalen

Jason Topp

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Re: UPDATE: Get to know Phillip Young starts......now! (9/24)
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2009, 03:40:19 PM »
Phillip:

Have you ever played or visited Golden Valley Country Club?  Is it a good representation of Tillinghast's design approach?

It is one of my favorites in the Twin Cities even though I cannot seem to play it well.

Chris_Clouser

Re: UPDATE: Get to know Phillip Young starts......now! (9/24)
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2009, 03:47:18 PM »
Great news.  Any idea on when any of those projects might be available?

JMEvensky

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Re: UPDATE: Get to know Phillip Young starts......now! (9/24)
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2009, 03:50:54 PM »
Great news.  Any idea on when any of those projects might be available?

Especially the coffee table book.

George Pazin

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Re: UPDATE: Get to know Phillip Young starts......now! (9/24)
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2009, 04:06:33 PM »
I am also planning a book about Tilly's fictional Cobble Valley Country Club. I plan to hold a design contest for its creation that I am hoping those on GCA will take part in. It will be 18 holes according to design parameters that Tilly most enjoyed.

This sounds really cool, another contest I can lose. :)

My questions:

1) How did you become interested in Tillie? Was it because of BB?

2) How did you find out about golfclubatlas?

My request:

Please share the story about your brother's record at BB, as well as a few other Bethpage or NY golf stories.
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

Jeff_Brauer

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Re: UPDATE: Get to know Phillip Young starts......now! (9/24)
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2009, 04:08:38 PM »
Phil,

good to have you on board here.  I have enjoyed your books, and appreciate the off line info you have sent me.  This from a guy who goes by Tillie's last house, checks Toledo maps to see if the story about him waiting at a hotel for his wife's surgery to finish can be correct (I doubt it) and once spent a winter day searching for his grave based on Hannigan saying he was buried in a Toledo cemetary where some of my family is, too.....

I will disagree on the Tilly style. I have always felt that its a matter of using vastly different construction crews across the country, but if you have different info, I am open to interpretation.

Here's my question....if you and Ron Whitten are locked in a room together, who comes out alive? ;D
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

George Pazin

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Re: UPDATE: Get to know Phillip Young starts......now! (9/24)
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2009, 04:13:06 PM »
Here's my question....if you and Ron Whitten are locked in a room together, who comes out alive? ;D

Hopefully Phil would have the good sense to call me... I have his back. :)
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

Jim Franklin

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Re: UPDATE: Get to know Phillip Young starts......now! (9/24)
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2009, 04:35:33 PM »
Where do you feel BCC East falls in Tillie's portfolio?

Who do you think would be the best GCA to build his unfinished plans for a second course at BCC?

What do you think of Golden Valley?
Mr Hurricane

David Stamm

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Re: UPDATE: Get to know Phillip Young starts......now! (9/24)
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2009, 04:41:46 PM »
Anyone that hasn't gotten a copy of Philip's book, Tillinghast: Creator of Courses, I'd strongly recommend that you do so. It's a very informative and entertaining read. I'm looking at it on my book shelf across my office right now as I type.
"The object of golf architecture is to give an intelligent purpose to the striking of a golf ball."- Max Behr

Phil_the_Author

Re: UPDATE: Get to know Phillip Young starts......now! (9/24)
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2009, 05:08:56 PM »
Hi Kalen,

1- After all of the rain this year & in 2002, the odds on it raining during the 2018 Open at Bethpage are next to nothing! We're talking Bethpage Black... what could be negative? Actually I'm looking toward the future and what "tweaks" might be necessary for the next one... I have a few ideas that I guarantee will surprise some out here!

2- Donald Ross & Tom Doak.

3- Depends on the budget and the owner...

4- They'd miss when I wouldn't answer...

5- I was given a college scholarship to Fordham University when I was in 6th grade which my parents turned down. This was the start of my "rebellious years" and I ended up never going to college... my great regret.


Phil_the_Author

Re: UPDATE: Get to know Phillip Young starts......now! (9/24)
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2009, 05:10:55 PM »
Jason,

I've never been to the Golden Valley Country Club, although my wife has agreed IN PRINCIPLE that I should make an attempt to visit every one of his designs in the next few years...

Phil_the_Author

Re: UPDATE: Get to know Phillip Young starts......now! (9/24)
« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2009, 05:13:10 PM »
Chris & Jeff,

I'm hoping Volumke II will be out in 2 years and Volume II & IV each year thereafter. By the way Chris, I just had a nive half-hour discussion with Dan Fisher at New Century... email me!

Phil_the_Author

Re: UPDATE: Get to know Phillip Young starts......now! (9/24)
« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2009, 05:25:00 PM »
George,

1- The Black was a major reason for my interest in Tilly, but also after my first book came out Rick Wolffe got in touch with me and invited me to join the Tillinghast Association. The three books that Rick, Stu & Bob compiled of Tilly's writings turned an interest into a passion. Spending time with Tilly's 4 surviving grand-children each of whom knew him when he was alive, created a fascination about Tilly the man for me...

2- Rick Wolffe introduced me to Golfclubatlas in 2002

3- As for my brother's course record. He shot a 62 from the championship tees on May 11,1961. He was 17 and it was in a high school golf tournament that was forgotten about by any & all over the years until i wrote about it in 2002. He birdied every par-4 with the exception of 2 & 18. Here is one of the newspaper accounts about it fropm the Long Island Press:



I'll post some Bethpage stories later...

Phil_the_Author

Re: UPDATE: Get to know Phillip Young starts......now! (9/24)
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2009, 05:34:21 PM »
Jeff,

I suddenly realized why you have trouble with the account of the surgery. It occurred in Philadelphia but the account is from a Toledo newspaper. That is why the street names don't make sense for you.

Tilly's ashes were sprinkled into the Wissahickon River at the public landing in the park just a short distance from the Philadelphia Cricket Club...

I COMPLETELY agree with you on how the different construction crews that he used around the country affected the finished product of what was put on the ground. That is different though from his design philosophies and recognizing them. For example, I can show you a design he did where each greenside bunker had a specific design for its face and where 80+% of them were to be fully flashed all the way up, yet the builder simply grass-faced every one of them...

Ron wouldn't show up, he'd get lost trying to follow the simple and clear directions...

Jeff_Brauer

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Re: UPDATE: Get to know Phillip Young starts......now! (9/24)
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2009, 05:39:39 PM »
Phil,

Oh.  Now I have spent a day walking a cold cemetary in vain and spent a day looking at maps in vain.  Glad you are clearing up Tillie's history because he was just killing me there!

I agree Ron is starting to have some senior moments........now, where was I again?
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Phil_the_Author

Re: UPDATE: Get to know Phillip Young starts......now! (9/24)
« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2009, 05:53:15 PM »
Jim,

5 Farms is DEFINITELY in the top 89, make that 90 with the announcement we will be making next week of a NEWLY discovered Tillinghast original 9-holer, of Tilly's original designs!

I am constantly being asked to name the "best of" Tilly courses and feel that as the Historian of the Tillinghast Association that it simply wouldn't be proper for me to do so. I will tell you this, I absolutely LOVE 5 Farms and would tell anyone who had the opportunity to play it for the first time that they were in for a very rare treat! I also simply can't understand how any group of "magazine raters" could compile a 100 greatest list that it isn't a part of!

As far as who should do course #2... I would think that the work that Keith Foster did at your club certainly shows that he has a good understanding of Tilly's philosophies and what he did there. Tilly spent a good deal of time on site at 5 Farms and even made his own plasticene models of holes and green sites for the contractors to work from when he wasn't around. That is one of the reasons that the course is so wonderful. I've had the privilege of doing some research for Keith since he did that project and one of the things I am impressed with is his desire to really understand what Tilly did for the SPECIFIC project and not just his "philosophy" or "style." His own philosophy is to restore and not recreate in his own image. That should be given primary consideration to any club seeking someone to "restore" their course.

There are others who I can recommend and if you'd like email me as I'd prefer to do so privately. Of course, I now have to ask you if the project is a go? Boy do I hope so!

I'm, hoping to see Golden Valley next summer for the first time so I'll let you know then. I am intrigued by it because of the old photos I have of the course...

David, thank you for the very kind words about the Tilly bio...

Anthony Gray

Re: UPDATE: Get to know Phillip Young starts......now! (9/24)
« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2009, 03:42:44 AM »


  Phil,

  What was Tilly's personal life like?

  Anthony


Tom MacWood

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Re: UPDATE: Get to know Phillip Young starts......now! (9/24)
« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2009, 06:47:00 AM »

Tilly never changed his style. What he did was design each course individually to fit the land where iot was being built as best as possible. He did enjoy some common features but didn't believe in designing by hole model or type unless it fit the land's needs... That is why I chuckle when someone describes "typical" Tillinghast features to me.


Phil
Tilly never changed his style? IMO Tilly's early courses are completely different in style than his later courses. Those early courses featured bold mounding, more angular features and greens that look a bit like plasticine models plopped down on the ground. They also feature an occasional famous copy or two. During that period he collaborated with George Low & Peter Lees. Personally I love the look and feel of those early courses; they are little more quirky and very sporty to play.

Phil_the_Author

Re: UPDATE: Get to know Phillip Young starts......now! (9/24)
« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2009, 07:02:13 AM »
Hi Anthony,

Do you have a specific question in mind involving Tilly's personal life? I did an In My Opinion piece titled, "The Terror and the Whiffensnoozer: A.W. Tillinghast and the Man Behind the Myths" that should answer most of your questions.

Phil_the_Author

Re: UPDATE: Get to know Phillip Young starts......now! (9/24)
« Reply #23 on: September 25, 2009, 07:16:47 AM »
George,

You asked for a few Bethpage stories, here are a couple:

      The sounds of five o’clock in the morning are quite distinctive. Birds of various denominations are raising their songs in praise of the day. The tree branches creek and the leaves rustle as the wind blows through them. The small sounds all seem magnified, especially the conversations.
      ‘Conversations?’ You might ask.
      Why yes, most are soft, though some are louder than the others and growing more so with each passing moment. An occasional voice would break out quite loud with shared laughter following, heads then turning to see the what, the why and the who were intruding upon their private reveries. Different people thinking different thoughts, gathered in small groups, mostly all of which are divisible by four. It is Saturday morning outside the Bethpage State Park golf clubhouse, a typical weekend morning as the sun shows his glory over the rooftops.
      Of a sudden, all eyes turn; it appears that a fistfight has broken out in the front courtyard. The sounds of grunts and pain follow the sharp slapping as fist meets face. Some encouragement to each comes from the crowd of onlookers, no one attempting to stop the fisticuffs by leaving their place in line. When sanity finally takes over, and some good Samaritans at last help pull them apart, the cause of this altercation comes into question. What would cause two otherwise mature gentlemen to fight in front of the clubhouse at Bethpage State Park at five o’clock in the morning?
      It was over who had the earlier spot in line... They were both arrested and spent the day in jail...

      Over the years some of these friendly members of the animal kingdom have played a hand, or more correctly paw, beak, or claw would be better said. One of the more common sights at the park is the blackbirds that are large in both numbers and size. Especially during the summer months, these local and very apropos residents of the Black Course have decided to use the
exact moment that some poor golfer is just about to reach the top of their backswing, to call out in a large croaking voice that seems to pierce the zone of silence the player has put himself into. There actually seems to be a correlation between the skill level of the player and how important the shot means to him and the level at which the screech can be heard.
      These birds seem to enjoy fighting and being chased by other feathered friends of man, especially when they feel that the offending bird is trespassing into its territory. There was an occasion when a gentleman was playing the thirteenth hole of the Black that one of these unofficial mascots of the park made its presence known in a most unusual manner. This
gentleman had a very good round going, being only three over par at the time, when he hit what he described as his best drive of the day. Long, oh so very long and straight, he actually entertained visions in his imagination of going for this long par five in two as he walked up the center of the fairway to where his ball lay.
      Now as he arriving where his ball had come to a stop, he noticed this rather large crow dropping down out of the sky till it came to rest on the ground about a foot from the ball. As he continued his walk he noticed the bird cocking his head and peering at the round white object first with one eye and then its other. The bird walked slowly over and started to peck at the ball, nudging it along the ground a short distance. The gentleman laughed to himself realizing that the crow must think his golf ball to be an egg that some bird laid out there in the open and was trying to make a meal of it. He trotted the last several yards, shooing the bird away from his ball,
carefully replacing it where it had first come to rest.
      As the others in his group played their next shots, he chose his three wood from his bag and prepared to take a mighty rip at the ball, knowing that an eagle on this hole would make his year. It was now his turn and as he started to take his stance he heard the others call to out to him. “Duck!” they cried, and as he did the crow missed his head by inches as it flew down and
past. He shook his head and backed off, looking up in the air as he watched the bird circle up above. He laughed a nervous laugh with the others as they considered “that crazy bird” and wondered what it was doing.
      He again started to take his stance, and once more the bird dove down at him. He had to take a few quick steps away this time to make certain that he would not be hit. This strange dance occurred several more times before one of his friends came up with the brainstorm of throwing a couple of other golf balls over to the other side of the fairway. This seemed to do the trick as
the crow landed on the ground by these new egg-like objects and pecked at them with his beak. Feeling that he could finally play the man took a deep breath to relax and stood over the ball once more.
      His backswing had reached its apex when just then, the crow let out a croak most especially loud and long. Unable to stop himself the gentleman came down hard and striking his club deep into the ground and well behind the ball, managed to pull-hook his second shot into the rough at the base of the huge trap that guards the left-hand approach to the green. Instead of being on or near the green, he was in ankle deep rough nearly 160 yards away and down about fifteen feet below the level of the fairway. As he stalked towards his ball he muttered curses at the crow; he couldn’t help but think that of all God’s creations that this was among the most vile and
contempt.
      He surveyed what he had of a shot. Because of where his ball lay he could only punch it up the hill and hopefully clear the sand so that he would be left with a short wedge shot from the fairway. He decided to relax and accept his misfortune. With any luck he could still get a par. Unfortunately for him, it seemed as if this blackbird had decided that it had had enough with these strange creatures who were invading his territory, and keeping him from getting to these large white eggs that kept flying through the air without any wings.
      Again he stood over his ball and this time as he swung, despite his best efforts he couldn’t manage to stop his swing as his partners yelled to him to look out. With a rushed downswing cutting across and through the rough and somehow managing to strike his ball dead solid, he watched as it flew through the air, carrying clear across the fairway and settling down deep
within the trees. He watched, that was, until he had to duck once again while this demonic denizen of the air flew past him once again. He reached down into the trap and picked up a decent sized stone in hopes of teaching this creature a lesson.
      Even though his ball had traveled deep into the woods it was relatively easy to find since one of his group happened to be on that side of the fairway when it came shooting out of the rough towards him. He had watched until it came to rest in the crotch of two tree roots. He would have
to take an unplayable lie. After his drop it took him three more swings to get his ball out of the trees and onto the green. After missing his fifteen foot first putt, he was standing over his short ten-inch putt to tap-in. As his club stopped its backswing, once again from up above came a loud caw as this spawn of the devil with wings circled high above. He jabbed forward at the sound and pulled the putt on by the hole. “That’s a gimme” he yelled to everyone and most especially this great black bird, who after one last circle of the green, flew back down the thirteenth fairway and disappeared into the trees. If Edgar Allen Poe played golf I am certain that he would have been
inspired to write a story about a bird.

      The way that some people play golf is downright painful. No, I’m not talking about how poorly they play, but rather there is that odd occasion when golf can actually hurt you. Take for instance the poor guy who spent the night in his car waiting the dawns early light as well as an early tee time. This gentleman had looked forward to this round for months. He and his wife had come to Long Island to visit his wife’s family. Being a true golf fanatic he had decided that this would be his chance to finally play the Black, a course he had heard about and had wanted to play for several years.
      As he stood on the first tee the thrill of playing the course energized and inspired him. He hit what he described as one of the longest drives of his life, the ball carrying past the last tree on the right side and coming to a stop in the center of the fairway. There was actually some applause for this magnificent drive.
      His feelings of adrenaline-inspired joy lasted until he was halfway down the hill from the tee. As he strode strongly forward his foot somehow found a soft spot in the slope and his legs went out from under him. He found himself tumbling downhill a short ways. What finally stopped him was a small hole that his right toe found itself wedging in. Needless to say, it was not the word fore that he found himself screaming as pain went shooting up his right leg to his brain from his knee.
      He was helped to his feet by the other members of his foursome and tried to put pressure on his leg. Every time he took a step he felt searing pain shooting up through his leg. Finally and despite all of his efforts, he had to be helped back up to the tee. Pride and embarrassment caused him to decline the offer of an ambulance. He insisted that all he did was twist his knee a little and would be okay. The park personnel helped him to his car and so he left.
      As he drove, the pain in his leg started to increase and grow more severe, seemingly moment by moment. As tears were now welling up in his eyes he decided that he couldn’t take it any longer and headed to the hospital. It turned out that he had broken his kneecap and torn ligaments. As he waited for the surgeon who would rebuild his knee he called his wife.
      “Honey,” he said, “a funny thing happened at the first tee…” In all the years and all the trips back to New York to visit the in-laws, he hasn’t been back to Bethpage since.

      Being a huge State park, Bethpage has unwittingly invited a few criminal situations upon itself. This one is a bit out there. It involves the crime that is the most heinous that we have to deal with. It is murder; a brutal, bloody greed-inspired murder. Though the killing did not take place at Bethpage, well…let me tell you the story and you’ll see the connection.
      It was October of 2001 that saw the opening of the new movie “Fire Dancer.” Jawed Wassel, a 42 year-old Afghan filmmaker had spent the previous six years working on this autobiographical story of an Afghan youth who eventually leaves his village and settles down to live in New York.
      He had been smuggled out by his mother after the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in 1979. Prior to coming to New York he lived in Germany and France, and obviously with the things he had gone through in his childhood, life had not been overly kind to him. Yet he managed to rise above it all and become an accomplished filmmaker.
      The night of the premier arrived and with it all the excitement and pride that goes along with such an occasion. Among the people attending the showing was a Mr. Nathan Powell. Mr. Powell was one of the movie’s primary producers and financiers. That night he was supposed to receive
thirty percent of the movie’s gross. Evidently there was some sort of misunderstanding or disagreement about the money, and an argument followed.
      Soon the argument turned violent and a fight ensued, with Mr. Powell smashing Mr. Wassel in the throat with a pool cue. The violence didn’t end there. Mr. Powell allegedly then stabbed Mr. Wassel, killing him. Now the reality of what occurred stared him in the face; he would have to dispose of the body. How would he do this?
      Not to make this story any more gruesome than is necessary, I will only say that he then took a hacksaw and dismembered Poor Mr. Wassel’s body. He placed the body parts and put them into two different boxes; all of them, that is, with the exception of the head. He put that in the refrigerator of his home.
      The day after the killing, Mr. Powell loaded the boxes of body parts into a van; he was going to rid himself of the evidence. He climbed in and proceeded to drive to Bethpage State Park.
Police Officer Peter McGinn out on routine patrol, spotted the van as it was entering Bethpage State Park and decided to pull it over. It was being driven very suspiciously, the lights were turned off and it was weaving erratically. As he walked up to the van he looked in one of the windows and saw a shovel, a pickaxe and one of the bloody boxes. As Officer McGinn so
eloquently put it, “I knew I wasn’t dealing with somebody going home from work.”
      Mr. Powell was arrested and at this moment is sitting in a prison cell that will be his last home. One can only wonder where he would have buried the remains. To me, the waste bunker that stretches forever in front of the seventh tee of the Black would have been most apropos. Large, deep and massive, with sand as far as the eye can see, it is where many a fine drive has died just short of the fairway.

I'll put together a few about some of the famous matches played at Bethpage over the years...

astavrides

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Re: UPDATE: Get to know Phillip Young starts......now! (9/24)
« Reply #24 on: September 25, 2009, 10:20:27 AM »
What is/was the rest of your brother's golfing resume after those two feats at the black and meadow hills?

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