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BCowan

Has Mike Young ever had a Great Site
« on: May 02, 2017, 09:42:39 PM »
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Mike_Young

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Re: Has Mike Young ever had a Great Site
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2017, 09:59:30 PM »
I think so...but I'm not sure. Well maybe but not sure the shape was what was needed....my best one was one where Tillinghast had pooped next to a huge oak tree and Donald Ross had whizzed in a creek with a small waterfall on it...but I just couldn't decide what to do with it...
"just standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona"

Peter Pallotta

Re: Has Mike Young ever had a Great Site
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2017, 11:33:02 PM »
I had the same problem Mike did, but he managed to overcome it while I on the other hand couldn't. My own fledgling career was derailed after only my 2nd solo design by a less than ideal site and an overly meddlesome client, as well as by a set of draconian environmental restrictions. The land had some undulation, some sand, several natural green-sites, and a small creek meandering through it -- but there wasn't enough of any of it to produce the top rated championship test the client had fantasized about. Plus, I don't know how any architect could be expected to find 18 great golf holes on just 400 acres of land! Even after hours of trying I could only find seven - but the client steadfastly refused to buy the additionally plot of land that was right there, abutting the site. (I think there were at least 12-15 great golf holes to be found on that 400 acres - but alas I could only dream of finding them.) I believe - perhaps egotistically - that I'd still be a working architect today if only I'd had the benefit of a few great sites in the early days, when it mattered most.
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Chris_Blakely

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Re: Has Mike Young ever had a Great Site
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2017, 11:50:24 PM »
I thought the site Cateechee Golf Club was on was quite good.


Chris

Mark Pritchett

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Re: Has Mike Young ever had a Great Site
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2017, 10:12:25 AM »
I thought the site Cateechee Golf Club was on was quite good.


Chris


I love Cateechee!

Jeff_Brauer

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Re: Has Mike Young ever had a Great Site
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2017, 10:50:40 AM »

Years ago, as an apprentice, I was complaining about another staffer getting a better site and budget.  My mentor asked how I knew my project wasn't going to be great before I designed it?  For that matter, wasn't it my job to make it great?  Kind of put me in my place.


Lots of great courses have been built on average sites, thus making them de facto great sites, no?
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Tom_Doak

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Re: Has Mike Young ever had a Great Site
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2017, 11:01:36 AM »

Lots of great courses have been built on average sites, thus making them de facto great sites, no?


Please name me a few that have been built in the last 20 years.  Not trying to replace Pat Mucci here -- just trying to show that the standard has shifted a bit from when Oakmont and Winged Foot were anointed as top-10 courses.


A lot of the problem is that the term "great" has been corrupted to correspond to being included in some magazine's top-100 list.  [Which has led to demands from clients to make the top 25!]


I don't disagree with your mentor's point, though.  If you're going to take a job, it's your job to make the course great, as long as your client supports the endeavor.

Bill_McBride

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Re: Has Mike Young ever had a Great Site
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2017, 02:05:02 PM »
I thought the site Cateechee Golf Club was on was quite good.


Chris


I love Cateechee!

Me too.  I think both Longshadow and Cateechee are on interesting land.

Mike_Young

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Re: Has Mike Young ever had a Great Site
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2017, 06:38:01 PM »
I thought the site Cateechee Golf Club was on was quite good.


Chris


I love Cateechee!

Thanks Mark.
It will close for a couple of months on 6/1 and we will do some renovations such as new greens, bunkers, length etc. 
"just standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona"

BCrosby

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Re: Has Mike Young ever had a Great Site
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2017, 06:53:05 PM »
Mike -


Don't change the best skyline green in America without checking with me. ;)


Bob

BCowan

Re: Has Mike Young ever had a Great Site
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2017, 12:08:45 PM »
Mike -


Don't change the best skyline green in America without checking with me. ;)


Bob

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BCrosby

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Re: Has Mike Young ever had a Great Site
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2017, 12:15:01 PM »
Yep.

Bruce Wellmon

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Re: Has Mike Young ever had a Great Site
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2017, 02:34:36 PM »
I would really enjoy playing Longshadow again. It had some great features.
Maybe one day.......................

Mike_Young

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Re: Has Mike Young ever had a Great Site
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2017, 05:40:27 PM »
hoping sooner rather than later...
"just standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona"

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