I'll try to respond to some more folks if this thread is continuing (totally understand if people aren't having it).
Jeff: Mariners Point was under threat as recently 2021 for housing. I don't know if your objections to the land use change are as rock-solid as they might appear. The housing mandates have cities scrambling to do anything they can to avoid changing their zoning.
Bruce: I don't mean to suggest that the state would turn LACC into housing, only that they could remove their exemptions. I honestly do not think the club could survive in it's current form if that were to happen. I also only use CA only to point to the levels of absurdity a state can get to. I certainly think exemptions for urban open space are in order, but my point is only that these exemptions can change. I think a reasonable balance is achievable, but I think if private courses were singled out on a ballot measure somehow, right now, I think it would win.
Kalen: I think a big issue is that the most prominent, celebrated clubs
are the uber rich. This is a difficult political and unfair problem for the rest of the golf community to have to deal with, but here we are, celebrating LACC next month. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
John H: I know the specific situation is extremely nuanced and complex, but the course I learned to play golf on,
Lions in Austin, TX, is still slated to be redeveloped for (student) housing. The housing crisis is even affecting courses in high property tax states.
Cal: I'm talking about the
types of changes that C&C did at Pinehurst #2. Switching from mostly non-native grasses to a mostly native landscape. We might not think of it as a major change, but the native fauna in the area probably do. Lord knows the endangered migratory butterflies prefer native milkweeds to wide Bermuda roughs.
John K: Ha!
Alex: Prop 13 applies to the adjacent houses as well, so even if property tax values plummeted, property tax revenues would mostly be unaffected. That said, I'm not saying that the club would be redeveloped, only that their tax exemptions might disappear.
Joe: I generally agree with you. The thing that is especially pernicious to Prop 13 is that it gets worst, and more inequitable, over time. When the damn breaks (and
we've seen the cracks in the 2020 election). My concern is that when the it does break I think golf clubs will be the first thing to go, because of the dramatic inequity their excessively low rates symbolize to many. Even as a person who cares deeply about urban access to golf courses, I find the fact that LACC pays about
$1000 (probably around $300,000) per year in property taxes is
an affront reasonableness not reasonable for many. One can pay the taxes they owe, and do well by advocating they pay a more reasonable rate now, than arguing against an unreasonable one later.
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San Geronimo, Sharp Park, Bennett Valley, Mariners Point, San Jose Muni, Los Lagos, Rancho del Pueblo, even the club I play at Gleneagles SF, all just in the bay area, have faced some form of redevelopment attempt, potential lease non-renewal, or other form of closing in the last decade (most in the last few years). Only one has shuttered, yes, but I'm not loving these trends.
Again, I hope I'm not being the absolute worst for talking about it. It's certainly a tough venue. I don't know if I'm more cassandra or chicken little, but I'm not sure what else I can do when it's already happening where I live. I think GCA is a place where I might reach the people with the power to change, or at least prepare, for what I presume will spread to other areas with housing shortages.