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Ran Morrissett

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Two apparent Travis gems?
« on: February 08, 2002, 09:55:51 AM »
In Bob Labbance's Feature Interview on this site, he selects Yahnundasis in New York and CC of Scranton in Pennsylvania as being amongst the five courses most helpful to study for someone interested in Travis.

Has anyone played either or both? Comments? By the way, where is Yahnundasis anyway?!
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Brad Miller

Re: Two apparent Travis gems?
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2002, 10:00:02 AM »
Scraton came up a short while ago as did Round Hill Club-CT. Calling M Cirba? Would like to know how these two HG's might compare with RHC, which I believe to be a HG and underrated by GD in their CT rankings.
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Brad Miller

Re: Two apparent Travis gems?
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2002, 10:01:37 AM »
Does Y...... have a nick name?
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SPDB

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Re: Two apparent Travis gems?
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2002, 10:02:42 AM »
I played RHC two weeks ago (temp. greens). They are redoing a bunker on the first hole. My playing companions knew nothing of consequence, so does anybody have any insight as to what is happening there?
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corey miller

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Re: Two apparent Travis gems?
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2002, 10:15:44 AM »
Ken Dye is doing the renovation work at Round Hill.  thought most of it was done. One of the really good things he did was remove the willow trees from the inside of the dogleg on three.  He added bunkers which G.Childs made birdie from in our round. previously it was a thirty yard punch shot. Much more fun.... I hope Ken Dye does as well at my home club Sleepy Hollow.....
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corey miller

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Re: Two apparent Travis gems?
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2002, 10:22:32 AM »
Sorry,went back and checked my scorecard it was hole five rather than three.
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Paul Perrella

Re: Two apparent Travis gems?
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2002, 10:23:03 AM »


  Ran,

 I have played Yahnundasis and it is an extremely enjoyable Travis course. It is a fairly short fairly narrow(some holes) course with some great elevation changes. One of the par 3's(by the pond/pool) has an absolutely wild green that may be one of the most severe I have ever seen. It is outside of Utica NY and has the 1991 PGA player of the year as a member. It is very similar to the Country Club of Troy (NY) which is near my home town of Albany. Both are Travis courses with a mix of strong holes and some very interesting short ones.
                     Paul
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Brad Miller

Re: Two apparent Travis gems?
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2002, 10:25:03 AM »
Hay bro, do you really keep scorecards that have scores in the 3 digits? ;D  
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shortz

Re: Two apparent Travis gems?
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2002, 10:25:59 AM »
Ran:

The 'Dasis is up in Utica, NY and possesses some very fine holes, but a long drive from anywhere.  

Have never seen CC of Scranton despite living within an our of the course for four years.  There are other minor works of classical architects to recommend in the area -- Wyoming Valley CC (in Wilkes-Barre) is a rugged and pleasent Tillinghast layout on a very sloping piece with a very good set of greens.
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SPDB

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Re: Two apparent Travis gems?
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2002, 10:36:55 AM »
For what its worth, I thought Ken Dye (or whoever did it from Finger,Dye & Spann) did a horrendous job at redesigning the Bedford Golf & Tennis Club, in Bedford, NY. There were some really great old holes that I think they really screwed up.
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Brad Miller

Re: Two apparent Travis gems?
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2002, 10:50:11 AM »
SPDB, At RHC it was almost all bunker work, certainly not much tree removal. I have seen K. Dye's more complete bag of tricks at work at Brae Burn, NY and found much I did not care for. Happy to talk more off line. Having also seem Gil Hanse's work at Fenway and Apawamis, this stuff is in another league!
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Scott_Burroughs

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Re: Two apparent Travis gems?
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2002, 11:04:13 AM »
Paul,
    Would that member be Corey Pavin?
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Dan Kelly

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Re: Two apparent Travis gems?
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2002, 01:42:06 PM »
Scott --

Nope. That would be Wayne Levi. Only a decade ago. Imagine that.
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Scott_Burroughs

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Re: Two apparent Travis gems?
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2002, 02:27:47 PM »
Pavin didn't seem right, being a left coaster.  He won the money title in 1991 (and he's a short knocker, perfect for Yahn..sis).  I couldn't think of the other two tour players with upstate NY ties who've won the B.C. Open (besides Sindelar, Hulbert, and Sluman).  Levi and ?
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ian andrew (Guest)

Re: Two apparent Travis gems?
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2002, 05:29:13 PM »
Country Club of Scranton is supposed to be the best of all Walters work according to Bob and a couple of the Travis society guys. I'm looking forward to visiting this year.

Add Lookout Point to that list, its the best property he ever had to work with.
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Joe Andriole

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Re: Two apparent Travis gems?
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2002, 05:59:12 PM »
It is good to hear mention of the CC of Scranton which I have enjoyed playing for years and for the past few tried to encourage fellow raters to consider.  The course is lovely.The green complexes are first rate with some dramatic slopes and mounds within them true green within green concept.  The course is well routed on gently sloping land and is quite strategic, though modern equipment and Scranton's preference for lushness negates much of the strategic design as do a few overgrown trees.  I'm discoveribg/rediscovering Travis through this site and my current read "The Old Man" which attributes many innovative architectural traits to Travis as well as a seminal influence on Donald Ross and to a lesser degree McDonald.  As a player and writer("Practical Golf" and the American Golfer),a USGA and Metro NY committeeman
Mr. Travis was one of the most important people in American Golf and as much as anyone "fathered" the American version of the Royal and Ancient  game.  Unfortunately I think that there is much more to be learned about his design philosophies from his abundant preserved writings than from his golf course designs which are few and poorly preserved.
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Jeff Mingay

Re: Two apparent Travis gems?
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2002, 07:34:18 PM »
Ian Andrew was kind enough to send me some photos of Lookout Point (near Niagara Falls, Ont.) recently. This place -- at least in photos -- seems to be "for real." It looks like a mini-Garden City. There's some really good quirk in the photos, and a wonderful texture to the course.

I can't wait to visit this spring.
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