I think these holes can be more fun with a large green with many shelves, fall-offs, and sections, ala #5 at Bandon Trails. That green may have 10-12 great pin locations. The one rounds I played there, it was located on the tiny little plateau in the green's center, about halfway between the lower front section, and the upper rear section. There was not more than an 8 ft. X 8 ft. level section around the hole that day....