Pat, mdugger and Joe- I can hopefully convince the super to do more than just add bunkers and that will include cutting the grass low as far away from the centerline as is possible. Then and only then will having kickplates or mounds make any sense at all. His concerns about F&F is that his boss will come out and complain that every blade isn't irredesicent green. I don't want to insult him by saying "aren't you good enough to do both?" but I am trying to get him to see the potential. One of my thoughts is that some of the green shapes can be expanded and made something other than round. This will then open up the opportunity for strategic placements of any bunkers nearer the green. I do have some good ideas but once again I am reluctant because it's more than just adding bunkers, it will require the alterations, too. One of the easiest way for him to better blend this nine into it's environs would be to create waste like areas with some natural vegitation. His concern with that is that with his small crew he won't have the manpower to properly maintain(keep the weeds out)them. We both are thinking about it as a long term project so I want to make the first steps kind of minimal so that the future ones aren't automatically negated by what gets done now. All very good suggestions, thank you all.
Joe- I have good idea to try to flash-up one bunker on the right about 15 yds in front of and to the sideof the green and behind it have a grass bunker even with the green. Your idea to have gca free for all is a great one and can only enhance the educational aspect of this website. On Pac grove-My name is not mud in PG and mentioning it will get you some jibes, but that will mean all is ok. If they are polite, you're in trouble. Remember, if you're there on a weekend get there before 7;30 and play with the 8 oclockers. During the week the 1 oclock game is more tame and more mature
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but just as much fun but only nine holes. The pro-shop people can be a little moody depending on who's there, tell them whopper about me they'll believe it. Good luck and I know you will enjoy yourself. Remember also that the front is only foreplay for the sexy back.