Pat
Hole 8: This short Par 4 bends gently to the right from the tee. A 250 yard drive to the shelf will leave you 125 yards downhill to the small lefthand portion of the double green.
Hole 17: This long Par 5 measures 608 yards. A 250 yard drive followed by a 225 yard setup will also leave approximately 125 yards downhill to the righthand portion of the small double green.
The approach shots are similar in distance; however, the landing areas are adjacent and crowned. The approach to Hole 8 is from a downhill sidehill lie with the ball ABOVE your feet. In contrast, the approach to Hole 17 is from a downhill sidehill lie with the ball BELOW your feet.
The trees behind the green are not agronomically adverse, being from a northern exposure. Plus, they are rather grand. In other words, Pat, I cannot take out all the trees on the course :-/ These may be a priority at a later date, because of their negative impact on another hole though.
Mike:
The pin positions vary on both greens just like any other. There is no relationship between the two. I have yet to see a middle pin position.
Rich:
I agree with you. This double green is rather symmetrical. But, oddly enough, so was the Maxwell original. Thanks for the award
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