TEPaul:Thanks for your post, except that the most fundamental of premises overrides your conclusion that "(w)hat this means to me is that some of these magazines aren't doing an adequate job of rating golf courses and their architecture.That is, of course, and you know this, the first and only goal of the various course lists isn't to an adequate job of rating golf courses, but rather to sell magazines.GCAers spend infinitely more time caring and discussing about how the rating lists are determined than the magazine folks themselves.Your other suggestion that GD have "3-4 people like Ron Whitten and send them on the road to play them all (or whatever they do)" as an alternative is scary, because I've never understood how or why Ron Whitten (or Gary Galyean, Brad Klein, or even Tom Doak when he ran GOLF's list) became an "expert" on architecture other than they have seen many, many golf courses. Well, many of the raters (and non-raters) have, too. Just because someone eats out alot doesn't make him a restaurant critic or someone who goes to the movies every weekend a film critic. Ron's and Gary's, and Brad's and Tom's opinions are often times right on, and other times makes me scratch my head. Their opinions aren't any more authoritative than yours or mine, or the many others on this site and elsewhere who have studied the subject, done the research, and travelled to and examined the courses. And, I should say, being a practtitioner, i.e., an architect himself, doesn't qualify their opinions as expert. Talk to 10 different architects about their opinions regarding the various courses and you would be shocked by some of their favorites and ones we think are good and they don't. Limiting the number of GD raters to 3-4 would just significantly reduce the number in the sample leading to even worse results.When the GD list was first published as the 100 greatest from the 200 toughest, Cypress Point wasn't even in the Top 50! And, the panel at that time has 60 to 70 very recognizable national panelists.Hopefully, over time, Kingsley and other deserving courses that have been slighted by the rating process, will be recognized beyond the irrelevant 4 corners of the various rags, in discussions among knowledgeable golfers at your club, my club, in the press rooms at tournaments, at amateur events, by some tour pros, etc. until they become part of the lexicon of great golf courses.