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Ramon T. Hernandez

The Most Important Issue in Golf and Golf Architecture
« on: December 31, 2003, 03:05:52 PM »
"Vast sums are being spent on research by the best brains to dredge out a few extra yards and we are all flattered by the results. But enough is enough. Continued unchecked, the game is bound to suffer even more than it has."

He continued that the ruling bodies have let advances in technology get beyond them and that the "courses are our game, and they are being killed off."

Who said this? What do you think?

Hints: Not Max Behr, Geoff Shackleford, Jack Nicklaus or Hank Khuene :-\

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Michael Dugger

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Re:The Most Important Issue in Golf and Golf Architecture
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2003, 03:55:21 PM »
Hey Ramon, didn't you catch for the Athletics last season?
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What does it matter if the poor player can putt all the way from tee to green, provided that he has to zigzag so frequently that he takes six or seven putts to reach it?     --Alistair Mackenzie--

Joe Hancock

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Re:The Most Important Issue in Golf and Golf Architecture
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2003, 04:43:22 PM »
Foster Brooks?

Joe
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" What the hell is the point of architecture and excellence in design if a "clever" set up trumps it all?" Peter Pallotta, June 21, 2016

"People aren't picking a side of the fairway off a tee because of a randomly internally contoured green ."  jeffwarne, February 24, 2017

Tyler Kearns

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Re:The Most Important Issue in Golf and Golf Architecture
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2003, 05:03:47 PM »
George Thomas Jr.?
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Ramon T. Hernandez

Re:The Most Important Issue in Golf and Golf Architecture
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2003, 05:10:59 PM »
That's not it... ;D
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Tyler Kearns

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Re:The Most Important Issue in Golf and Golf Architecture
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2003, 05:31:54 PM »
Robert Hunter?
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Ramon T. Hernandez

Re:The Most Important Issue in Golf and Golf Architecture
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2003, 05:32:58 PM »
Keep guessing. Hint...Important!? :-X
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Mark Studer

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Re:The Most Important Issue in Golf and Golf Architecture
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2003, 05:35:45 PM »
Mr. Tufts at Pinehurst?
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Ramon T. Hernandez

Re:The Most Important Issue in Golf and Golf Architecture
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2003, 05:36:52 PM »
Nope.
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Mark Studer

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Re:The Most Important Issue in Golf and Golf Architecture
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2003, 05:38:05 PM »
Bernard Darwin?
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Mark Studer

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Re:The Most Important Issue in Golf and Golf Architecture
« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2003, 05:39:57 PM »
Just remembered that I read it somewhere......CB Macdonald!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ramon T. Hernandez

Re:The Most Important Issue in Golf and Golf Architecture
« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2003, 05:41:03 PM »
Mark, have you started drinking already? ;)

No. Keep guessing.

Happy New Year.
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Mark Studer

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Re:The Most Important Issue in Golf and Golf Architecture
« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2003, 05:42:22 PM »
uh oh...just found it in his book....quote by Garden G. Smith
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Ramon T. Hernandez

Re:The Most Important Issue in Golf and Golf Architecture
« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2003, 05:43:40 PM »
Unless this architect plagerized Garden, NOPE! ;D
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Ramon T. Hernandez

Re:The Most Important Issue in Golf and Golf Architecture
« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2003, 05:46:13 PM »
Hint...Arklay.
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Mark Studer

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Re:The Most Important Issue in Golf and Golf Architecture
« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2003, 05:53:05 PM »
In a letter to all the leading golfers if Great Britain in 1912,"Ballmakers are vieing with each other in producing balls of ever-increasing driving capacity, and as most of the best courses have now been stretched to their utmost limits, it is obvious that holes and courses are speedily being ruined as tests of the game."    page 273 in SCOTLAND's GIFT by CB...close but no cigar.......how about DJ Ross?  Happy New Year
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RT

Re:The Most Important Issue in Golf and Golf Architecture
« Reply #16 on: December 31, 2003, 05:54:54 PM »
RTH,

How's about James Braid for that winners magnum of Moet on offer?

RT
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Ramon T. Hernandez

Re:The Most Important Issue in Golf and Golf Architecture
« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2003, 06:04:18 PM »
Mark. DUUUUUDE. A+ for effort, but...seems that this concept is not new. ;)

All scholars of the game realize that the evolution of the ball have resulted in changes (architectural and otherwise). The elements are in place for ruining the game and many older courses. Seriously. Why is this so hard to understand?

I had a discussion about this "ball thing" with a friend and he was diametrically opposed. Me, I can see and accept both sides to most "binary" arguments/topics, but not on this one. Manufacturers stand down! I see the future and it looks like that silly git on the Titleist commericials in the tartan plaid.
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Ramon T. Hernandez

Re:The Most Important Issue in Golf and Golf Architecture
« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2003, 06:07:17 PM »
RT

My syncopated hermano.

If you are making the bet as described in your last post (I think that is what you are trying to relate), all I can say is MO MOET! MO MOET!



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Mark Studer

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Re:The Most Important Issue in Golf and Golf Architecture
« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2003, 06:17:01 PM »
By the way , of the 152 respondents to the rules commitee's letter, 141 were in favor of the following(in 1912!!)," to ordain that all entrants for the Championship use balls of the same material and structure" ...this for the British Amateur , I assume in 1912.  the letter was sent in the spring of 1912....If we would just agree to lighten the weight requirement for balls , that would do it.  I'll bet 10-15% less carry could be uniformly achieved.
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Ramon T. Hernandez

Re:The Most Important Issue in Golf and Golf Architecture
« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2003, 06:23:40 PM »
The run for these guys (manufacturers) has been akin to that of Tulipmania. Like the Irrational Exuberance of the dot com lunacy. When the music stops they ain't gonna have a seat!

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Ramon T. Hernandez

Re:The Most Important Issue in Golf and Golf Architecture
« Reply #21 on: December 31, 2003, 06:41:32 PM »
Seems like I am trying to catch-up with TEP all in one day. My fingertips are wearing thin.

The answer will come when the ball drops! Unless I am swimming in Moet first!

another hint...MA
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TEPaul

Re:The Most Important Issue in Golf and Golf Architecture
« Reply #22 on: December 31, 2003, 06:52:27 PM »
"Seems like I am trying to catch-up with TEP all in one day. My fingertips are wearing thin."

Piffle! I do twice this before breakfast!  ;)



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Ramon T. Hernandez

Re:The Most Important Issue in Golf and Golf Architecture
« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2003, 06:56:05 PM »
TEP

Keep it up brother. Prodigious!  ;D

I will tip my flask to you tonight. Happy New Year!
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A_Clay_Man

Re:The Most Important Issue in Golf and Golf Architecture
« Reply #24 on: December 31, 2003, 06:59:41 PM »
Tatum?

But I liked what Dr. Hurzdan said about previous reports that the sky was falling.
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