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Mike_Young

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Memorial Park/approx 15 bunkers/leader at -9 after 36???
« on: March 30, 2024, 08:27:37 AM »
Nice to see a place not overloaded with bunkers and yet  proving that green complexes with good short grass surrounds can protect par as well or better than an abundance of bunkers.  When will we stop letting bunkers define so much of design?
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Philippe Binette

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Re: Memorial Park/approx 15 bunkers/leader at -9 after 36???
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2024, 08:44:19 AM »
Lots of wind yesterday explains part of the higher scores...


Also, bunkers keep the ball close to the green... short grass make the ball runaway...


Players are a lot more scare of seeing a ball roll back to their feet when putting from off the green than they are of leaving the ball in the bunker ...


For tour players it's a lot easier to control distance from a bunker than from a chip or putt up a steep slope




jeffwarne

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Re: Memorial Park/approx 15 bunkers/leader at -9 after 36???
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2024, 09:13:48 AM »
Nice to see a place not overloaded with bunkers and yet  proving that green complexes with good short grass surrounds can protect par as well or better than an abundance of bunkers.  When will we stop letting bunkers define so much of design?


When photos with just the right shadows become less important.
As in never.


back on topic.
Memorial Par has a nice variety of short game options.






Bunkers as they are expected to be presented these days, are FAR easier than short grass or rough around greens.
Rough got a bad name in GCA circles a few years ago, but it can serve to keep the ball somewhere near the green surface and still provide a variable challenge.
I'm not really a fan of a steady diet(as in every hole)of all (ultra)short grass and elevated greens causing ping pong results(continuously chasing athe ball down slopes) for most ams-making putter the ONLY sensible choice.
I find slopes and short grass very effective and fear inducing as an occasional hazard-just not every hole, where it simply becomes a card wrecking slower game lacking in short game variety.
Firmer turf with a bit of grass is ideal(think UK-firm but not mowed to .20 of an inch) for such surrounds-creating options and allowing bounces for the more creative player.
Sadly, the default(at high end courses) has become super tight and fast, often moist, terrorizing any am attempting anything other than  rolling the ball,
which I've gotten quite good at with a 5 wood....


Options and actual variety are key.
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

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