[Erik J. Barzeski]

They have since changed that silly rule but man did I feel like a loser. To his credit he patted me on the back on the next hole and said no worries , now you know!

It's OT, but I'm curious: what rule was that (and what year)?

[archie_struthers]

 


Eric   ...I'm guessing year 1972 or 73....rule was you could not put your equipment in hazard..1 shot penalty, at the time they considered it tantamount to grounding your club. Truthfully I was shocked, made no sense in that no advantage could possibly have been gained .

[Erik J. Barzeski]

...I'm guessing year 1972 or 73....rule was you could not put your equipment in hazard..1 shot penalty, at the time they considered it tantamount to grounding your club. Truthfully I was shocked, made no sense in that no advantage could possibly have been gained .

Yeah… I'm not sure you (your player) were deserving of a penalty.

Rule 33: http://ruleshistory.com/rules1972.html

f. Placing Clubs in Hazard
The player may, without penalty, place his clubs in the hazard prior to making a stroke, provided nothing is done which may improve the lie of the ball or constitute testing the soil.

That's specifically called out, and that's for when your ball is actually in the hazard.

[archie_struthers]

 


Well , he definitely called a penalty on himself and Skee Riegel was on site. At the time he was considered the "don" of rules mavens in the Philly PGA....today he would be Tom Carpus


This being said , I was moved by the honesty and quality of one Edward "Tim" Debaufre that day!

[Sean_A]

Eric   ...I'm guessing year 1972 or 73....rule was you could not put your equipment in hazard..1 shot penalty, at the time they considered it tantamount to grounding your club. Truthfully I was shocked, made no sense in that no advantage could possibly have been gained .

Didn't D Johnson get a penalty for this at the Whistling Straits Open?

Ciao

[Erik J. Barzeski]

Didn't D Johnson get a penalty for this at the Whistling Straits Open?

No. He grounded his club behind his ball in a bunker. That's still not allowed. 12.2b

[John Kavanaugh]

Nance just said Keopka is on the CW. LIV reference?

[Erik J. Barzeski]

Nance just said Keopka is on the CW. LIV reference?

Clearly.

[John Kavanaugh]

Keopka just pointed at Rahm while holding up five fingers. He is trolling you guys.

[John Kavanaugh]

Keopka obviously needed 18 more holes in Peoria to hone his tournament skills.

[Tim Leahy]

Karma is a bitch!

[John Kavanaugh]

Karma is a bitch!

LIV saved the 23 Masters. Good vs Evil is the best!!!

[Ally Mcintosh]

Keopka just pointed at Rahm while holding up five fingers. He is trolling you guys.

Thank goodness for Butch Harmon on Sky: Much ado about nothing, happens all the time, he may have done it, he may not, who cares? It counts for nothing, all that matters is the here and now.

[Niall C]

Ally


Yes, noticed that. Faldo actually claimed to not having seen the incident until he was shown it on air last night. Both played it down but then neither are involved with the DT World Tour. Not that I'm pointing the finger, or indeed five fingers, at their fellow Sky commentator 


Niall

[John Bouffard]

What really annoyed me about it was Koepka and Woodland not coming clean. I understand (not condone) their caddies making up stories and sticking to them; they will do anything to protect their player. But how 2 grown men, playing golf for a living and knowing the rules, the traditions behind them (self-policing) could look at that video and, straight faced, in front of a Masters committee, bullshit their way through it is beyond me. Just ignore rules and rationalize it's ok because we agreed to do it, or everyone does it, or because we think the rules are dumb; don't come clean because you know the Committee is too honorable and dignfied to not accept your word and won't punish you. I wonder how much $ their lies cost the other competitors?

[John_Cullum]

The biggest problem is people commenting on the rules without ever reading the rule. (That includes Brandel Chamblee, and it's not his first time misrepresenting the rules.) The rule clearly states that it is directed at the intent to influence another player. As Charlie observes, these elite players are so tuned into their equipment, shaft flex, carry distance, ball flight, ability to change ball flight, etc., that having the knowledge of what another guy hits is of no benefit. And apparently the practice is ignored on the tour level, probably for that reason. It would be unfair to all of sudden start enforcing now just because we saw it on tv.

Why the caddies do it is unknown to me. You have to factor in that most caddies are idiots, and these idiots shouldn't cost a player.

Also, most people seem to feel the penalty is only on Koepka, but it's a stretch to think he just all of a sudden offered this wisdom up unsolicited.

The caddies are sharing information. It's useless. It's stupid. No one is influenced by any of it, and nobody cares.

[Sven Nilsen]

You have to factor in that most caddies are idiots, and these idiots shouldn't cost a player.

To be clear, you're calling most of the PGA Tour caddies idiots?  Do you know this for a fact?


The irony here is that in a post talking about people offering opinions without having a base of knowledge to do so, you appear to have done the same thing.

[Wayne_Kozun]

Aren't a lot of the caddies very good golfers in their own right, often having played pro tours but never being quite good enough to make a living at it?  I would guess that they are no smarter or dumber than your average tour player.

[John_Cullum]

You have to factor in that most caddies are idiots, and these idiots shouldn't cost a player.

To be clear, you're calling most of the PGA Tour caddies idiots?  Do you know this for a fact?


The irony here is that in a post talking about people offering opinions without having a base of knowledge to do so, you appear to have done the same thing.

Excellent job at ignoring the point

[John_Cullum]

Aren't a lot of the caddies very good golfers in their own right, often having played pro tours but never being quite good enough to make a living at it?  I would guess that they are no smarter or dumber than your average tour player.

I'm not disagreeing

[Sven Nilsen]

You have to factor in that most caddies are idiots, and these idiots shouldn't cost a player.

To be clear, you're calling most of the PGA Tour caddies idiots?  Do you know this for a fact?


The irony here is that in a post talking about people offering opinions without having a base of knowledge to do so, you appear to have done the same thing.

Excellent job at ignoring the point

I really don't care about the overall point.  I do care about your broad-brushing of a group of people as idiots.


If that wasn't what you meant to say, perhaps you should delete it.  Or do you have have personal knowledge that most PGA Tour caddies are idiots?  I happen to know four of them, none of whom I'd classify as an idiot.

[John_Cullum]

I'll stand by my prior statement

[John Bouffard]

The biggest problem is people commenting on the rules without ever reading the rule. The rule clearly states that it is directed at the intent to influence another player.

Why else would one caddie share this information with another caddie? If the players are so tuned in to their own equipment such that another player's shot is irrelevant, then why are they sharing the information? I know you said you don't know, but there has to be a reason. Is there any other possible reason besides the caddie wants to know, so he can factor that into his recommendation for his own player's upcoming shot?

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[John Kavanaugh]

The biggest problem is people commenting on the rules without ever reading the rule. The rule clearly states that it is directed at the intent to influence another player.

Why else would one caddie share this information with another caddie? If the players are so tuned in to their own equipment such that another player's shot is irrelevant, then why are they sharing the information? I know you said you don't know, but there has to be a reason. Is there any other possible reason besides the caddie wants to know, so he can factor that into his recommendation for his own player's upcoming shot?

I

So the other caddie can give the information to the roving reporter in a less invasive manner.

[John Bouffard]

The biggest problem is people commenting on the rules without ever reading the rule. The rule clearly states that it is directed at the intent to influence another player.

Why else would one caddie share this information with another caddie? If the players are so tuned in to their own equipment such that another player's shot is irrelevant, then why are they sharing the information? I know you said you don't know, but there has to be a reason. Is there any other possible reason besides the caddie wants to know, so he can factor that into his recommendation for his own player's upcoming shot?

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So the other caddie can give the information to the roving reporter in a less invasive manner.

Ok, noted. Is that what the players and caddies said happened?

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