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Jeff Schley

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List of courses that have been "Sand Capped"
« on: November 24, 2021, 10:55:43 AM »
Regardless of whether everyone agrees that it was done, or how much it cost (a lot typically), I tried to find a list of courses that have been sand capped using material from off site. The reasons could be from the original construction of the clay site needed to be sand capped, renovation/restoration, etc. I just wanted to see how many we could identify, without judgement or ridicule (that won't last long I'm sure  ;) ). I'll update this post as people post courses they know are sand capped and depending on how many sort it via state or country etc.

Perhaps of interest maybe if it was:
  • O-originally designed and built using sand capping
  • R-done during a renovation
Also for those looking to learn more on sand capping, our own Jeff Brauer has written on this topic I think is pretty insightful.  https://www.golfcourseindustry.com/article/gci1213-sand-capping-fairways/

So where are they?
Updated through post #71
USA
  • Monterey Peninsula (both Shore/Dunes) - R
  • Cal Club SF - R
  • Memorial Park - R
  • Rock Creek Cattle - O
  • Stone Eagle - O
  • Eagle Point - O
  • Olympic Hills - R
  • Rolling Hills GC - R
  • Poppy Hills - R
  • Corica Park (both North and South) - R
  • Twisted Dune - O
  • Sweetens Cove - O
  • Carlton Woods, Nicklaus - O
  • Streamsong Black - O
  • Aldarra - O
  • Burning Tree - O
  • Yale (mix) - O
  • Trinity Forest - O
  • PGA Frisco, East - O
  • Congaree - O
  • Highlands Falls - R
  • Sherwood CC - R
  • Liberty National GC - O
International
  • Loch Lomond, Scotland - R
  • Chart Hills, England - R
  • Scandanavian Club, Denmark - O
  • Hogs Head, Ireland - R
  • Adare Manor, Ireland - R
  • Castle Stuart, Scotland - O
  • Bro Hof Slott GK, Sweden - O
  • Castlecomber (new 9), Ireland - O
  • Fota Island, Ireland - O
  • Playa Grande, Dominican Republic - R
  • Dun Laoghaire Golf Club, Ireland - O
  • Yas Links, United Arab Emirates - O
  • Kalhaar Blues & Greens Golf Club, India - O
  • Wainui Golf Club, New Zealand - O
  • Royal Auckland & Grange, New Zealand - R
  • Oslo Golf Club, Norway - R
  • Hamilton Island GC, Australia - O
  • San Roque Golf Resort, Spain - R
  • Cabot St. Lucia, St. Lucia - O
  • Sentosa Golf Club, Singapore - O/R (It appears they had a sand cap originally but reused most for the reno)
« Last Edit: December 03, 2021, 11:59:04 AM by Jeff Schley »
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Adam Lawrence

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Re: List of courses that have been "Sand Capped"
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2021, 11:03:49 AM »
In the UK I'm only sure of two:


Loch Lomond -- during renovation 2018-2019
Chart Hills -- during renovation 2020-2021.


The Scandinavian club in Copenhagen was capped during the build in 2009-2010.


I'll add more as I think of them.
Adam Lawrence

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David_Tepper

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Re: List of courses that have been "Sand Capped"
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2021, 11:23:26 AM »
I think both the Peninsula CC and the California GC in the Bay Area were sand capped when they were renovated 15-25 years ago.

SL_Solow

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Re: List of courses that have been "Sand Capped"
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2021, 11:25:49 AM »
Adam, I believe they sand capped Hogs Head when it was redesigned

Garland Bayley

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Re: List of courses that have been "Sand Capped"
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2021, 11:29:22 AM »
Jeff,

You should add a category Y.

Y - yearly, the fairways are sanded yearly.

My former club, Orchard Hills, sanded the fairways yearly, and had the reputation of being one of the most winter playable in the Portland area with its Pacific northwest wet climate over the fall, winter, spring months.

I should note that there are courses in this area that will have tee shots land in the fairway in the winter and disappear underground, not to be found.
« Last Edit: November 24, 2021, 11:32:54 AM by Garland Bayley »
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Tom_Doak

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Re: List of courses that have been "Sand Capped"
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2021, 11:29:44 AM »
The only ones I have done are Memorial Park and Rock Creek [which wasn't capped with pure sand but with a loamy topsoil mix from a few miles down the road].  Stone Eagle was capped with crushed material from on site.


Of course, half the projects I've built could have supplied the capping material for someone else's course.  ;)

Adam Lawrence

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Re: List of courses that have been "Sand Capped"
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2021, 12:49:25 PM »
Adam, I believe they sand capped Hogs Head when it was redesigned


Yes, and Adare Manor too. But neither is in the UK :)
Adam Lawrence

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Pete_Pittock

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Re: List of courses that have been "Sand Capped"
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2021, 01:02:52 PM »
Eagle Point GC, near Medford, OR, was sand veneered during construction (RTJII)

Jason Topp

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Re: List of courses that have been "Sand Capped"
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2021, 01:05:36 PM »
Olympic Hills, Eden Prairie, MN as a part of renovation.

Tal Oz

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Re: List of courses that have been "Sand Capped"
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2021, 01:41:48 PM »
I believe Rolling Hills CC (Palos Verdes CA) sand capped the entire site when DMK redid it a few years back

SL_Solow

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Re: List of courses that have been "Sand Capped"
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2021, 01:53:55 PM »
Garland, a lot of courses perform heavy top dressing and/or pull cores and sand in the fall.  That is not the same as sand capping.

JohnVDB

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Re: List of courses that have been "Sand Capped"
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2021, 05:37:46 PM »
Poppy Hills was sand-capped in the renovation in 2011.  It is why it is no longer known as Sloppy Hills,

Joel_Stewart

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Re: List of courses that have been "Sand Capped"
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2021, 06:06:35 PM »
Every Fazio course including Augusta National.  Fazio has made a great living going back to his courses over 30 years suggesting they be sand capped and regrassed.


Both courses at Corica Park in Alameda.


 


archie_struthers

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Re: List of courses that have been "Sand Capped"
« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2021, 06:11:35 PM »
 :P




We capped Twisted Dune in NJ with indigenous material that was better than the rest of the medium. Of course our operation was more a mining site with a golf course as a final stage.  ACCC that Tom redesigned and rebuilt has a lot of our "fill" on the back nine holes, necessary to facilitate the new holes , raise them above sea level and  avoid the  tidal flooding.
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MLevesque

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Re: List of courses that have been "Sand Capped"
« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2021, 06:23:17 PM »
Sweeten Cove?
I am Skew!

Kalen Braley

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Re: List of courses that have been "Sand Capped"
« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2021, 06:31:39 PM »
Sand capping has always been a bit of a mystery to me.

1)  6 inches doesn't seem like very much, even though I recognize it would be a massive and expensive task just to do that over several dozen acres of undulating terrain.  What kinds of checks are in place to ensure an even distribution to avoid getting 9-10 inches in some places and only 3-4 in others?

2)  For sites that have readily available sand and areas in need of capping, is it common to increase that depth to say 2-3 feet?

Steve Lang

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Re: List of courses that have been "Sand Capped"
« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2021, 08:10:04 PM »
 8)  The Nicklaus Signature Course at Carlton Woods, The Woodlands, TX vintage 2001
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John Emerson

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Re: List of courses that have been "Sand Capped"
« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2021, 08:22:45 PM »
Jeff,

You should add a category Y.

Y - yearly, the fairways are sanded yearly.

My former club, Orchard Hills, sanded the fairways yearly, and had the reputation of being one of the most winter playable in the Portland area with its Pacific northwest wet climate over the fall, winter, spring months.

I should note that there are courses in this area that will have tee shots land in the fairway in the winter and disappear underground, not to be found.


For category Y, This number is countless.  And I’ll add that if a course gets built with a sand cap under the assumption that topdressing can continue year after year, and the budgets eventually gets cut…you could be in some trouble agronomically down the road.


I don’t understand why many folks just don’t incorporate compost if dealing with a poor soil…it is a bit mind boggling honestly
« Last Edit: November 24, 2021, 08:30:49 PM by John Emerson »
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Tom_Doak

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Re: List of courses that have been "Sand Capped"
« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2021, 09:09:18 PM »
Sand capping has always been a bit of a mystery to me.

1)  6 inches doesn't seem like very much, even though I recognize it would be a massive and expensive task just to do that over several dozen acres of undulating terrain.  What kinds of checks are in place to ensure an even distribution to avoid getting 9-10 inches in some places and only 3-4 in others?

2)  For sites that have readily available sand and areas in need of capping, is it common to increase that depth to say 2-3 feet?


Kalen:


The materials cost for sand capping is very high, so contractors [and owners] do their best to keep the cap depth as low as they are assured it will work.  Frequently we have the agronomist recommend 12 inches to begin with, and by the time we get to construction, it's decided that 8 or 9 inches should be enough, because that will cost 25% - 33% less.


The only place I know that ever capped to a depth of three feet were the handful of holes along the cliffs at Pacific Dunes.  Dave Wilber recommended we cap them extra deep if we wanted them to drain like the rest of the holes, so we just mined out a dune ridge from further inland, and used that material.  We estimated the in-house cost at a little less than $1 per cubic yard for that material . . . when you are bringing it in from outside it can be $20 per cubic yard or more. 


You need somewhere between 50,000 and 80,000 cubic yards to cap the fairways a foot deep, based on 30-50 acres of capping.  Do the math, and you can see why everyone wants to skimp on the depth of capping.  But if you skimp too much, the water won't release out of the profile very well, and you'll be playing second shots off the equivalent of a damp sponge.

Garland Bayley

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Re: List of courses that have been "Sand Capped"
« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2021, 12:05:50 AM »
Eagle Point GC, near Medford, OR, was sand veneered during construction (RTJII)

Ok, what is sand "veneered"?

Whatever it is the could stand some Y, as it may be the softest course I have ever played besides that Ridgefield disaster Slag and I slogged around one winter day.
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Adam Lawrence

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Re: List of courses that have been "Sand Capped"
« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2021, 05:52:28 AM »
Every Fazio course including Augusta National.  Fazio has made a great living going back to his courses over 30 years suggesting they be sand capped and regrassed.


Both courses at Corica Park in Alameda.


Corica Park achieved a rare double -- they sand capped AND got paid for it -- the South course project got paid to dispose of inert fill from a new tunnel for the BART, and most of the material was pure dune sand! (not sure about the source of the material for the North project).
Adam Lawrence

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Adam Lawrence

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Re: List of courses that have been "Sand Capped"
« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2021, 05:54:28 AM »
Sweeten Cove?


Yes. Sequatchie Concrete, the former owners, have a large sand quarry on Monteagle Mountain not far away, and that was the source of the capping sand at Sweetens.
Adam Lawrence

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Author, 'More Enduring Than Brass: a biography of Harry Colt' (forthcoming).

Short words are best, and the old words, when short, are the best of all.

Kyle Harris

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Re: List of courses that have been "Sand Capped"
« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2021, 06:04:13 AM »
Jeff,

You should add a category Y.

Y - yearly, the fairways are sanded yearly.

My former club, Orchard Hills, sanded the fairways yearly, and had the reputation of being one of the most winter playable in the Portland area with its Pacific northwest wet climate over the fall, winter, spring months.

I should note that there are courses in this area that will have tee shots land in the fairway in the winter and disappear underground, not to be found.


This is topdressing. That is not sand-capping.
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Jaeger Kovich

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Re: List of courses that have been "Sand Capped"
« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2021, 06:53:07 AM »
Streamsong Black is capped w 3ft of sand over about 14 holes.


What about Castle Stuart, Kingsbarns and the front 9 / potato field at Friars Head?



Niall C

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Re: List of courses that have been "Sand Capped"
« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2021, 07:20:45 AM »
Jaeger got there before me. Castle Stuart was sand capped from what I was told and I believe it all came out of the hole in front of the 12th tee or at least that is the legend. Kingsbarns however isn't sand capped. What they did there was mix the sand where the lower holes are with the soil on the top part and spread it evenly over the whole course so that there was at least a consistency in soil even if it wasn't sand, or pure sand at any rate.

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