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Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Who's doing something different?
« Reply #75 on: November 30, 2021, 07:33:39 AM »
Call me biased but I think the new Carne course has 5 highly individual and great par-5’s…. At least I can’t think of a course that comes closer.

Ira Fishman

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Re: Who's doing something different?
« Reply #76 on: November 30, 2021, 08:44:32 AM »
Primland starts 5-3-5-3-4-5. There are only three Par 4s on the front, two less than 350 yards.


4 of the 5 Par 5s are different and memorable in good ways. The fifth Par 5 is solid.


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MCirba

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Re: Who's doing something different?
« Reply #77 on: December 08, 2021, 05:48:13 PM »
Don't know.if it's been mentioned yet but the most "different" modern course I played in the past decade is Ballyhack by Lester George.


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Tim Gavrich

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Re: Who's doing something different?
« Reply #78 on: December 08, 2021, 06:21:13 PM »
At the risk of thread-jacking, I'd like to posit that par 5s, by and large, are overrated and probably unnecessary, especially with the looming resource and land crunch that is closing in on golf. The greatness rate on par 5s is so much lower than that of par 3s and 4s that I think they're inferior as a class of golf hole. There certainly are good and great par 5s, but is the extra land use worth it? I've never walked off a course bemoaning the dearth of par 5s. Elie gets on fine with zero and the CC of Waterbury, one of my favorites in CT, has just one. OK by me!
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Peter Pallotta

Re: Who's doing something different?
« Reply #79 on: December 08, 2021, 07:31:12 PM »
At the risk of thread-jacking, I'd like to posit that par 5s, by and large, are overrated and probably unnecessary, especially with the looming resource and land crunch that is closing in on golf. The greatness rate on par 5s is so much lower than that of par 3s and 4s that I think they're inferior as a class of golf hole. There certainly are good and great par 5s, but is the extra land use worth it? I've never walked off a course bemoaning the dearth of par 5s. Elie gets on fine with zero and the CC of Waterbury, one of my favorites in CT, has just one. OK by me!
I agree 100%. And, to further the threadjack, I'd say that in my mind there is no doubt whatsoever about the validity of everything you have written. Granted, what does "my mind" count for in this regard, and here in this august company? And, granted too, I am likely not typical of this illustriously well-travelled group of architectural aficionados because I have played so few 'special' golf courses in my life -- and while I have liked more than a few Par 5s I've played, I have only ever truly loved precisely one (1) of them.
Finally, I believe (well, I suspect) that many many others, including architects and industry professionals and media types, actually agree with Tim (and me), but will not say so out loud, for various reasons political, social and professional. But in my mind there would be only benefits -- and no downsides -- in the vast majority of courses having only 1 Par 5. I just hope it's a good one.

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Sean_A

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Re: Who's doing something different?
« Reply #80 on: December 08, 2021, 08:28:45 PM »
At the risk of thread-jacking, I'd like to posit that par 5s, by and large, are overrated and probably unnecessary, especially with the looming resource and land crunch that is closing in on golf. The greatness rate on par 5s is so much lower than that of par 3s and 4s that I think they're inferior as a class of golf hole. There certainly are good and great par 5s, but is the extra land use worth it? I've never walked off a course bemoaning the dearth of par 5s. Elie gets on fine with zero and the CC of Waterbury, one of my favorites in CT, has just one. OK by me!

Yer not wrong.

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Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Who's doing something different?
« Reply #81 on: December 09, 2021, 02:41:24 AM »
Par-5’s can often solve routing puzzles. This may seem counter-intuitive because they use so much land but it’s amazing how often they are used to connect one corner of a site to another.


In it’s own way, that also accounts for why so many of them aren’t that interesting. Many architects don’t like wasting the good topography on one hole when they can get a really good three and four out of it.

Sean_A

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Re: Who's doing something different?
« Reply #82 on: December 09, 2021, 03:30:59 AM »
Par-5’s can often solve routing puzzles. This may seem counter-intuitive because they use so much land but it’s amazing how often they are used to connect one corner of a site to another.


In it’s own way, that also accounts for why so many of them aren’t that interesting. Many architects don’t like wasting the good topography on one hole when they can get a really good three and four out of it.


I agree. But par 5s rarely make the statement par 3 connector can. Sometimes needs must where par 5s are concerned.


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Mike_Young

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Re: Who's doing something different?
« Reply #83 on: December 09, 2021, 08:07:23 AM »
Peter,

There is a quote from the latest version of "A Star is Born".  It certainly resonated with me and supports your understanding too.

“Music is essentially 12 notes between any octave...Twelve notes, and the octave repeats. It’s the same story told over and over, forever. All any artist can offer the world is how they see those 12 notes. That’s it.”

Safe to say, I really like how some arrange those notes...
Great quote.
This guy understood:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZkp7q19f0
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MCirba

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Re: Who's doing something different?
« Reply #84 on: December 09, 2021, 08:54:01 AM »
Mike Young,


You may be interested to know that my wedding dance song was The Beatles playing "Til There Was You" from "The Music Man" and as that song wound down we threw on shades and segued into a rollicking "Gagnam Style".  All Pictures have been secured for safekeeping.
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Kalen Braley

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Re: Who's doing something different?
« Reply #85 on: December 09, 2021, 01:54:19 PM »
Mike and Mike...terrific.

I wonder what this guy could have... or would have... created if he were alive now with near limitless tools and methods to create music!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USe-wZ0AOQQ

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