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V_Halyard

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A quick look at Houston Memorial
« on: November 11, 2021, 01:47:46 PM »
Quick Look at Houston Memorial

The best public golf places function like playgrounds. They have folks hanging out, kids and parents laughing, pick up games with 'ballers' talking smack, grinders silently plumb-bobbing to ‘go low’, all sharing the same venue. Even better when they are adjacent and accessible to a diversity of communities. The bonus is when the courses are architecturally excellent and kept in great condition.  Houston Memorial hits screens this week and I thought I would share some images from an enjoyable few days exploring that bold investment in public golf. We have close family in Houston making me a big fan of the Houston Memorial Park project. Not on any Top 100 List but I do laps here whenever I get the chance to visit.



Memorial Park is a public golf super-playground. Double Decker driving range, tee times filled from Dawn to Dusk, and all variety of golfers enjoying the short game and putting park. A Central Park of golf. A Tom Doak design supported by great conditioning makes the place a ‘playable everyday’ course and compelling enough to receive praise by the pros.  Interestingly contoured fairways with most of the design focused on the greens.  It is a great round. No stupid shots, no stupid maintenance, no stupid features that the pros would ignore and only harm the everyday golfer.



I played with widely diverse groups who were more proud of “their” course than hosting a pro event. They touted the Mack Champ invitational as another point of pride and were mildly amused that I “got in under the wire" before an impending Resident Rate Freeze /Non-Resident Rate Hike. (I saw no Rodgers Rate)



This is a field of dreams, “Build it, they will come”.  Realistically “they” were already there, and this is a show pony of public access to fiscally maintainable and architecturally excellent golf. Memorial amplifies a cry for logical business models in support of great municipal golf. It is thriving.

A public/private testimonial for public golf excellence. Yes it has private money fueling it but so did NYC's Central Park and a multitude of great public spaces across the country and globe. It is an illustrative reminder to municipalities that mowing greens in circles and using the same crew that cuts grass for the doggy park does not make for a compelling golf experience. My other favorite effort is of course the Joe Bausch and Mike Cirba led Cobb’s Creek in Philly. (Mike and Joe, I believe you mentioned the Eagles are rebuilding again) Mike and Joe’s years of bold historical dedication is breaking ground.



Another project of curiosity, and one I invite those in here with facts to shed light upon is the current effort on the South Shore of Lake Michigan. In some ways, Houston mirrors both of those opportunities although both Cobb’s and Houston’s “Starchitects” are trained golf architects rather than a golf deity. Still, they are like minded projects. I will leave it to others in here to add facts to any Jackson Park updates. I am part of Memorial Park’s economic development case study, an out of towner, importing golf, food, and merchandise revenue.



GCA-ism not withstanding, I was not alone. The Memorial tee sheet was solid dawn to dusk. The range and practice facility jammed with blissfully GCA-blind folks from all walks of life. The pandemic has shed light on the benefits of golf. When the dust settles, I would bet on the communities that treat golf as an asset rather than an expense line item.  They are the ones set to reap the long term, cross-demographic health, recreation and quality of life benefits. (Thanks to Tom D and the Houston Memorial team for the aerial access.)




« Last Edit: November 12, 2021, 08:17:30 AM by V_Halyard »
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Peter Flory

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Re: A quick look at Houston Memorial
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2021, 02:12:24 PM »
Great pics!  That table top green looks frightening. 

V_Halyard

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Re: A quick look at Houston Memorial
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2021, 02:18:30 PM »
Great pics!  That table top green looks frightening.
haha. Thanks Peter.

It is for us mortals.
You would find it mildly amusing.
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Terry Lavin

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Re: A quick look at Houston Memorial
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2021, 02:35:13 PM »
Thanks for this discussion. Might have to get to Houston and tee it up!
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.  H.L. Mencken

V_Halyard

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Re: A quick look at Houston Memorial
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2021, 02:38:42 PM »
Thanks for this discussion. Might have to get to Houston and tee it up!
Let me know when. We'll discuss on our shoot!
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PCCraig

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Re: A quick look at Houston Memorial
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2021, 04:30:42 PM »
I visited last spring - it's a very cool spot and a really nice vibe.
H.P.S.

JLahrman

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Re: A quick look at Houston Memorial
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2021, 04:52:34 PM »
I visited last spring - it's a very cool spot and a really nice vibe.



My brother used to live nearby. A few years ago he went to hit a few balls at Memorial and wound up on the range right next to Doug Sanders.

Peter Pallotta

Re: A quick look at Houston Memorial
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2021, 05:19:47 PM »
Truly public golf, diverse and affordable and accessible to all -- and with an irrigation system that efficiently and sustainably captures-stores-and-utilizes storm water instead of city water to keep the course green, and a design that beguiles and tests both the best golfers in the world and the worst. To me, and in terms of a 'model' for the game of golf in the years ahead, it leaves many of the more highly touted and enthusiastically promoted and award winning destination courses of the past 10 years way back in the dust.

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V_Halyard

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Re: A quick look at Houston Memorial
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2021, 05:54:08 PM »
Truly public golf, diverse and affordable and accessible to all -- and with an irrigation system that efficiently and sustainably captures-stores-and-utilizes storm water instead of city water to keep the course green, and a design the beguiles and tests both the best golfers in the world and the worst. To me, and in terms of a 'model' for the game of golf in the years ahead, it leaves many of the more highly touted and enthusiastically promoted and award winning destination courses of the past 10 years way back in the dust.


Agree 100%
This is a prototype.
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Mark_Fine

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Re: A quick look at Houston Memorial
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2021, 09:02:02 PM »
Great photos.  It looks stunning.  What was the budget?  How much was taxpayer money vs private contributions?  Maybe this was covered last year in a similar thread.  I can’t recall. 

Tom_Doak

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Re: A quick look at Houston Memorial
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2021, 11:14:02 PM »
Great photos.  It looks stunning.  What was the budget?  How much was taxpayer money vs private contributions?  Maybe this was covered last year in a similar thread.  I can’t recall.


$10m if you just count the course - sand capping was a big part of that, which paid off today.  $15m if you include such things as relocating tennis courts in order to expand the practice range for the Tour. 


100% private money for the renovation - we even had to reimburse the city for lost tee times if the construction schedule ran over the plan! (It didn’t.). Because it was all privately funded, no red tape about bidding things out.

Tom_Doak

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Re: A quick look at Houston Memorial
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2021, 11:41:38 PM »
Also, nice photos, Vaughn.  Might need to borrow a couple for my web site.

mike_beene

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Re: A quick look at Houston Memorial
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2021, 12:20:52 AM »
Does the tee sheet stay full in the deep summer? I assume the riding v walking percentage changes? Is River Oaks a common border with the course?

Jeff Schley

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Re: A quick look at Houston Memorial
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2021, 01:44:28 AM »
Great photos.  It looks stunning.  What was the budget?  How much was taxpayer money vs private contributions?  Maybe this was covered last year in a similar thread.  I can’t recall.


$10m if you just count the course - sand capping was a big part of that, which paid off today.  $15m if you include such things as relocating tennis courts in order to expand the practice range for the Tour. 


100% private money for the renovation - we even had to reimburse the city for lost tee times if the construction schedule ran over the plan! (It didn’t.). Because it was all privately funded, no red tape about bidding things out.
Perhaps we forgot how this was funded in the excitement of it opening, but a commendable endeavor and a benchmark for other muni's to follow. Not sure from who or where the private money came from, but in major metro cities some deep pocketed guys/companies I would hope can see the benefit and pony up and create the value for the general public.
Some of the reno's I have heard discussed in LA or Chicago on here and others simply didn't get to a realistic stage as the ask was too much $ wise, or they didn't have an influential pied piper. I don't think it matters if it is a muni or just public access, increasing public golf for all adds value to society.
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- Steve Prefontaine

V_Halyard

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Re: A quick look at Houston Memorial
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2021, 05:55:13 AM »
Great photos.  It looks stunning.  What was the budget?  How much was taxpayer money vs private contributions?  Maybe this was covered last year in a similar thread.  I can’t recall.


$10m if you just count the course - sand capping was a big part of that, which paid off today.  $15m if you include such things as relocating tennis courts in order to expand the practice range for the Tour. 

100% private money for the renovation - we even had to reimburse the city for lost tee times if the construction schedule ran over the plan! (It didn’t.). Because it was all privately funded, no red tape about bidding things out.
Perhaps we forgot how this was funded in the excitement of it opening, but a commendable endeavor and a benchmark for other muni's to follow. Not sure from who or where the private money came from, but in major metro cities some deep pocketed guys/companies I would hope can see the benefit and pony up and create the value for the general public.
Some of the reno's I have heard discussed in LA or Chicago on here and others simply didn't get to a realistic stage as the ask was too much $ wise, or they didn't have an influential pied piper. I don't think it matters if it is a muni or just public access, increasing public golf for all adds value to society.
Great points Jeff.
Justification for this model can be viewed as a Win - Win. If an entity or group of entities is significantly successful in a community, it would be logical to insure the vibrancy of that community. Play grounds, theaters and other activities such as golf enhance quality of life to retain and attract talent, customers etc.

It appears that Houston Memorial is an example of successful implementation of that model. The deal components and participants seemed to have managed to strike a harmonious bureaucratic and functional design balance.

One can assume it wasn’t as easy to structure but while on-site, my sense of appreciation and goodwill from the locals was universal. They were really fun rounds with an eclectic collection of golf partners. However they pulled it off it is working.

One day, a family member, a new ish golfer made her first birdie ever on 18. Drinks and dinner.
I generally reserve as a single walker and on one of the days I played, three of our foursome were non-residents.  To a person, our first stop post round… er, second stop post round was the golf shop to inquire if replays were available that afternoon or a fresh walk was open the following day. One of the guys changed a flight when we confirmed a late afternoon gap in the tee sheet. The woman in our group called her (?BF/Husband?) 
We heard his name was Dave. She informed Dave he was on his own for dinner as she was taking another lap with us.
We had only 18 holes of shared history but went back out together for a truncated twilight as if this was our regular weekly game.
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V_Halyard

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Re: A quick look at Houston Memorial
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2021, 05:57:04 AM »
Also, nice photos, Vaughn.  Might need to borrow a couple for my web site.
Thx. Will send over a folder.
« Last Edit: November 12, 2021, 06:15:48 AM by V_Halyard »
"It's a tiny little ball that doesn't even move... how hard could it be?"  I will walk and carry 'til I can't... or look (really) stupid.

V_Halyard

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Re: A quick look at Houston Memorial
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2021, 06:14:50 AM »
Great photos.  It looks stunning.  What was the budget?  How much was taxpayer money vs private contributions?  Maybe this was covered last year in a similar thread.  I can’t recall.


$10m if you just count the course - sand capping was a big part of that, which paid off today.  $15m if you include such things as relocating tennis courts in order to expand the practice range for the Tour. 

100% private money for the renovation - we even had to reimburse the city for lost tee times if the construction schedule ran over the plan! (It didn’t.). Because it was all privately funded, no red tape about bidding things out.
In today’s market that is an impressive budget for a sand capped course, high-end pro range, stand-in-line-for-an-open-bay-steroidal public driving range and the short game playground. Doing some quick math, starting with a guess at the ROI per/ball at the massive range, one could assume it is doing well as a golf business before any PGA related income.
 
Hoping they receive ancillary revenue and other inbound fees associated with the PGATour tournament, that adds to the tally.

Tag on local and non resident green fees, ancillary F&B (Recall seeing Lots of Gatorade, BodyArmour and Beer sales) and merch, this looks like a solid economic development showcase for all involved.

One would assume an essential component to this success was the private funding enabling the city the ability to structure the deal without having to adhere to the “low bidder” requirements and maintaining accountability to constituents.
« Last Edit: November 12, 2021, 06:29:52 AM by V_Halyard »
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Don Mahaffey

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Re: A quick look at Houston Memorial
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2021, 07:01:59 AM »
Memorial Park Golf Course and Driving Range is very profitable, and the profits do not go into the city general fund, they go into the golf fund. Expect to see improvements at other city golf properties in the near future.


I don't believe there is any way the course closes in Jan, undergoes a complete renovation including sand capping of 40 acres, and opens in early Nov of the same year if the traditional public bidding and building process had to be followed. As Tom noted we had to open on time or the damages would have added up quickly.


My firm did the construction work for the golf course and tennis center and while it was not a "low bid" scenario, it was market priced and the Astro Golf Foundation knows market as this was the 4th golf project their leadership has managed. We are completing the renovation of BraeBurn CC in Houston, with Tripp Davis, this month and that was a competitive bid; I know the market.


Every tee time made available since the renovation has sold, but it's sorta always been that way at MP. The pride the people of Houston have in the golf course and park made the project awesome to be a part of. My staff and I were treated to many meals and drinks when other guests learned what we were doing. It really is an incredible feeling, and responsibility, to know what you are doing is so appreciated by so many.

V_Halyard

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Re: A quick look at Houston Memorial
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2021, 07:10:14 AM »
Memorial Park Golf Course and Driving Range is very profitable, and the profits do not go into the city general fund, they go into the golf fund. Expect to see improvements at other city golf properties in the near future.


I don't believe there is any way the course closes in Jan, undergoes a complete renovation including sand capping of 40 acres, and opens in early Nov of the same year if the traditional public bidding and building process had to be followed. As Tom noted we had to open on time or the damages would have added up quickly.

My firm did the construction work for the golf course and tennis center and while it was not a "low bid" scenario, it was market priced and the Astro Golf Foundation knows market as this was the 4th golf project their leadership has managed. We are completing the renovation of BraeBurn CC in Houston, with Tripp Davis, this month and that was a competitive bid; I know the market.

Every tee time made available since the renovation has sold, but it's sorta always been that way at MP. The pride the people of Houston have in the golf course and park made the project awesome to be a part of. My staff and I were treated to many meals and drinks when other guests learned what we were doing. It really is an incredible feeling, and responsibility, to know what you are doing is so appreciated by so many.
Don, congrats, thanks! These are awesome insights. Well earned and executed!

And a hearty welcome to any county/city/town/park folks lurking in here, please take note that the golf profits are reinvested in golf, and neither siphoned nor diverted from golf to the general fund. (Hello, LA?)
Conditioning and maintenance matter and enhance the experience and increase the QoL value of your municipality.
Golf has your back and great golf pays back.
« Last Edit: November 12, 2021, 08:19:10 AM by V_Halyard »
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Mark_Fine

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Re: A quick look at Houston Memorial
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2021, 07:22:30 AM »
Thanks Tom.  Do you know the annual maintenance budget to keep it looking that way?  That is another one of the big challenges for muni courses that get a ton of play at low green fees.  I am guessing it is doing maybe 60,000 rounds a year.  Is that right?  Does money from the tour stop keep it profitable?

jeffwarne

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Re: A quick look at Houston Memorial
« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2021, 07:35:04 AM »
Great thread and great insights.
Win-win is always a great scenario.
Excited to see Memorial Park.
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

John Mayhugh

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Re: A quick look at Houston Memorial
« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2021, 07:38:40 AM »
Thanks for the pics. Can't wait to see it.

Tim Martin

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Re: A quick look at Houston Memorial
« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2021, 07:50:06 AM »
Memorial Park Golf Course and Driving Range is very profitable, and the profits do not go into the city general fund, they go into the golf fund. Expect to see improvements at other city golf properties in the near future.


I don't believe there is any way the course closes in Jan, undergoes a complete renovation including sand capping of 40 acres, and opens in early Nov of the same year if the traditional public bidding and building process had to be followed. As Tom noted we had to open on time or the damages would have added up quickly.

My firm did the construction work for the golf course and tennis center and while it was not a "low bid" scenario, it was market priced and the Astro Golf Foundation knows market as this was the 4th golf project their leadership has managed. We are completing the renovation of BraeBurn CC in Houston, with Tripp Davis, this month and that was a competitive bid; I know the market.

Every tee time made available since the renovation has sold, but it's sorta always been that way at MP. The pride the people of Houston have in the golf course and park made the project awesome to be a part of. My staff and I were treated to many meals and drinks when other guests learned what we were doing. It really is an incredible feeling, and responsibility, to know what you are doing is so appreciated by so many.
Don, congrats, thanks! These are awesome insights. Well earned and executed!

And a hearty welcome to any county/city/town/park folks lurking in here, please take note that the golf profits are reinvested in golf, and neither siphoned nor diverted from golf to the general fund. (Hello LA?)
Conditioning and maintenance matter and enhance the experience and increase the QoL value of your municipality.
Golf has your back and great golf pays back.


Profits being directed back to golf is something that I hope catches on and is a terrific byproduct of the project. Vaughn’s photos alone are incentive to want to play the golf course.

MCirba

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Re: A quick look at Houston Memorial
« Reply #23 on: November 12, 2021, 09:00:03 AM »
This is FANTASTIC for golf, for the city, and for life on Earth.


Congratulations and thank you to all involved. 
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BCrosby

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Re: A quick look at Houston Memorial
« Reply #24 on: November 12, 2021, 09:26:21 AM »
"The best public golf places function like playgrounds. They have folks hanging out, kids and parents laughing, pick up games with 'ballers' talking smack, grinders silently plumb-bobbing to ‘go low’, all sharing the same venue. Even better when they are adjacent and accessible to a diversity of communities. The bonus is when the courses are architecturally excellent and kept in great condition." VH.

Well put. You describe well what I saw at HM last spring. I was in town for a wedding. A couple of us Ubered to the course on a Saturday afternoon to check it out. I was amazed. Full tee sheet, full driving range (both upper and lower decks), lots of families eating lunch on the lawn outside the clubhouse. It was a revelation. A well-conceived muni golf facility can change the character of a neighborhood. It is place where you want to hang out. That the course is really good is icing on a bigger cake.

Congrats to TD and all who were involved.

Bob
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