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Jerry Kluger

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Playing golf in St Andrews
« on: September 03, 2021, 04:44:23 AM »
I made note of my experience playing in St Andrews in another thread but I thought I would give a heads up to anyone planning to play there. Right now the policy is that if you book a tee time through the ballot or in person, etc., the tee time is yours and it doesn't matter how many players you have. So if you are a single and get a time on TOC you can play alone if you choose to and they will not ask you if others can join you. You can go to the first tee and ask if you can join those on the tee but they will not pair players up as they used to.This holds true on all the courses. On TOC another fellow and myself joined a single by asking him. On the Jubilee we were a 2 ball following a 3 ball with a single behind us.

Jeff Schley

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Re: Playing golf in St Andrews
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2021, 05:00:07 AM »
So Jerry, as opposed to them asking the person holding the tee time if they would like to allow others to join, it is up the individual to approach that person directly on the tee?
Seems odd and uncomfortable, without a queue to order those requesting to be paired up.
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Sean_A

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Re: Playing golf in St Andrews
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2021, 05:17:10 AM »
Wow, I always thought that the starter asking groups if they mind having an interloper was a good and classy system. Shame to see it disappear. Is the Links House open?

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Mark Pearce

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Re: Playing golf in St Andrews
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2021, 07:20:16 AM »
Wow, I always thought that the starter asking groups if they mind having an interloper was a good and classy system. Shame to see it disappear. Is the Links House open?

Ciao
It hasn't disappeared.  This change is a Covid change and I think it's clear from the website that they intend to revert to the previous policy in due course.
In June I will be riding the first three stages of this year's Tour de France route for charity.  630km (394 miles) in three days, with 7800m (25,600 feet) of climbing for the William Wates Memorial Trust (https://rideleloop.org/the-charity/) which supports underprivileged young people.

Brian_Ewen

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Re: Playing golf in St Andrews
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2021, 01:33:52 PM »
Strange, and from past experiences, I always thought this was the case.


James Reader

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Re: Playing golf in St Andrews
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2021, 01:58:44 PM »
Just to clarify a few points, having been up in St Andrews a fair bit over the past 6 months.


You can only play if you have booked a tee time.  That can be as a single on any of the courses except for the Old where the minimum number in the ballot is two.  It even applies on the Himalayas and Balgove - you have to book by phone rather than just turn up.


The official position is that no-one who hasn’t booked a tee time can play, and that’s the rule that I’ve seen imposed.  There is no singles queue on the Old, or any of the other courses.  If you turn up on your own without a tee time the starters will not let you join a group that does have a booking.  Now, if the starters don’t see it happening (approaching a group away from the first tee for example) you might get away with it, but I have seen singles told that they can’t play even where there’s been a group wiling to let them.  There may well be individual starters prepared to turn a blind eye of course but I haven’t seen it.


What they will do is allow groups with tee bookings to join up, so I’ve done that a few times with other singles or two balls with tee times next to mine.


The only other exception to this I’m aware of is that for the Old they have been taking names of people who would be interested in taking a cancellation at short notice.  In that case, if someone cancels or doesn’t turn up for a time, they are putting people on their list together to make up 4 balls.  I didn’t say it made much sense!


The positives have been that play has been quicker because there are a lot of 2 and 3 balls on all the courses.  It’s also been relatively easy to get tee times including, anecdotally, a better chance of success in the ballot than would normally be the case at this time of year.


The changes are all temporary and I’m told that it will go back to the way it was at some point.  No one I’ve spoken to seems to know when that will happen though, and it does seem strange it’s not happened yet given that most of the other Covid-related restrictions have been lifted.  Hopefully it’ll all be back to normal soon.




Jerry Kluger

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Re: Playing golf in St Andrews
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2021, 05:30:13 PM »
When I played TOC I had a 4:30 time with a friend who could not play. A single had booked the 4:20 and another single joined him and I mentioned that I had the 4:30 and they suggested i join them. There does not appear to be any improvement in pace of play as it is driven by the slowest group and there are four balls. Personally,  I don't see how asking if the person holding the time would mind others joining him/her - golf is viewed in the US as extremely unlikely to be a source for the spread of covid.

Jeff Schley

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Re: Playing golf in St Andrews
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2021, 03:21:03 AM »
When I played TOC I had a 4:30 time with a friend who could not play. A single had booked the 4:20 and another single joined him and I mentioned that I had the 4:30 and they suggested i join them. There does not appear to be any improvement in pace of play as it is driven by the slowest group and there are four balls. Personally,  I don't see how asking if the person holding the time would mind others joining him/her - golf is viewed in the US as extremely unlikely to be a source for the spread of covid.
In the UK you can book many courses as a single and they don't force you to have others join. A couple years back I had tee times at Ganton and Royal Liverpool on a solo trip. I asked both times when I checked in if anyone wanted to join me. At Royal Liverpool the asst. in the golf shop said there is a twosome in front of you, but they rather enjoy each other's company. At Ganton there was a group that play annually in something called Chips and Gravy (http://www.chips-n-gravy.com/). This is a group of blokes who invited me to be an honorary player that day, but would have had to wait another hour to play in their tourney and was a very lively group who travel around to different venues each year. I appreciated the offer, but went out as a single.
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Peter Flory

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Re: Playing golf in St Andrews
« Reply #8 on: September 04, 2021, 10:02:31 PM »
I have a strange question- would you be allowed to bring your own caddy to play TOC or other courses in Scotland? 

i.e. say you had a non-golfing traveling companion who wanted to do it.

Scott Warren

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Re: Playing golf in St Andrews
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2021, 07:02:34 AM »
I have a strange question- would you be allowed to bring your own caddy to play TOC or other courses in Scotland? 

i.e. say you had a non-golfing traveling companion who wanted to do it.


When I last played The Old Course in May 2019, James Boon carried my bag and Robin Hiseman raked my bunkers, and by the time my group got to 17 we had the four of us playing and another six from our group walking with us. We didn’t get any grief from anyone.

David_Tepper

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Re: Playing golf in St Andrews
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2021, 08:49:37 AM »
Peter F. -

I have a friend who travels to the UK for golf almost every year. His wife (who is not a golfer) often walks the course with him and pushes his trolley around the course. No problem at all.


DT

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