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George Pazin

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US Am at Oakmont
« on: August 11, 2021, 05:21:34 PM »
First off, I'd like to apologize for being "that guy", the one who hasn't posted anything worthwhile in years, but is now starting a new thread. I didn't see an obvious thread to discuss Oakmont and the Am, so I started this one. There are likely newbies on here who don't realize the depth of my love for Oakmont. To summarize, Oakmont is the best, the rest are pretenders. And I have played precisely none of the pretenders.


 :)


I'd like to offer the following, for viewers to note while they're watching:


TV flattens Oakmont tremendously. Like Augusta, the ups and downs of the course are quite dramatic in person, much less so on TV. I often note that Oakmont shares the same topography of most courses in western PA, yet there is only one Oakmont, and a bunch of other also rans.


The course is kept firm and fast in the grandest GCA tradition. It may look green on the tube, but there are much greater shades of yellow/tan/green/brown in person.


My absolute favorite holes are the #2, #3 combo. I haven't had the pleasure of playing other greats, but this back to back of a short brutal par 4 followed by a long brutal par 4 is simply perfect. Like every other golfer, I can bore you with my story of playing these, but my personal experiences aren't important, simply note the back to back brutality, and functionality, and beauty. It's the best back to back par 4s in golf. And that's not just my opinion - well, it is just my opinion.


Oakmont is hard, really really really hard. But it's playable. It asks everything of every golfer, on every shot. And to this guy, that's all you can ask of a golf course.
« Last Edit: August 11, 2021, 05:42:41 PM by George Pazin »
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

Mark_Fine

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Re: US Am at Oakmont
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2021, 05:48:03 PM »
George,
Good to see an old timer posting. I love Oakmont as well.  It is one of the best on the planet that I have seen.  Miss one hole and you missed something special if that tells you where I put it. That said, it is designed as you know for the better golfer, actually the very best golfers. Playable is a relative term. 

Kalen Braley

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Re: US Am at Oakmont
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2021, 06:06:50 PM »
This has been on Page 1 for the last 2 days.  ;D

https://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,70084.0.html

George Pazin

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Re: US Am at Oakmont
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2021, 08:11:12 PM »
Yeah, I saw that, didn’t really think this fit that thread.
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

Will Lozier

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Re: US Am at Oakmont
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2021, 08:13:25 PM »
Deciding to "stop by" Oakmont for the last few hours of the Wed. practice round of the '07 US Open on my way from DC to Ohio was one of the best golfing decisions I've made. Stunning topography, WILD greens, epic in every way.


Cheers

Pete_Pittock

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Re: US Am at Oakmont
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2021, 08:37:53 PM »
I was lucky enough to play Oakmont in a First Tee event. Even if it meant a 2500 mile red-eye for one course. It solidified to me what separates a Top 10 course from the rest. It is relentless and suffers poor putters poorly. You must be committed to every shot, score be damned.

mike_beene

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Re: US Am at Oakmont
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2021, 11:18:33 PM »
I just love the view from the clubhouse.The tree removal was cutting edge. The views and grasses remind me of Muirfield .

Tim Gallant

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Re: US Am at Oakmont
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2021, 06:50:40 AM »
George,


I agree! Count me as a member of the Oakmont converted! Although it is penal is heck, I would never tire of playing any of those holes. And when I'm too old to play the course, I'll just take a putter and go from green to green and have putting competitions with friends/family. And when I can't walk anymore, just prop me up on the porch with a sweet tea and binoculars.

JESII

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Re: US Am at Oakmont
« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2021, 09:44:58 AM »
It takes a US Amateur in town to bring George out of hibernation...Love it!

JMEvensky

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Re: US Am at Oakmont
« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2021, 10:12:22 AM »

It takes a US Amateur in town to bring George out of hibernation...Love it!



Thought the same thing. George P is Mr. Oakmont.

Tim Martin

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Re: US Am at Oakmont
« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2021, 10:23:26 AM »

It takes a US Amateur in town to bring George out of hibernation...Love it!



Thought the same thing. George P is Mr. Oakmont.


+2
Would love to see him post more often. :)

George Pazin

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Re: US Am at Oakmont
« Reply #11 on: August 12, 2021, 12:49:45 PM »
Thanks for the kind words, but I've been so out of it the last year plus that I didn't even realize the Am was in town until I saw it on Golf Channel. I haven't posted much because I don't honestly feel like I have much new to say, and selfishly I've been struggling to stay afloat for the last year (don't cry for me, others have had it much worse).


The views are indeed stunning.
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

George Pazin

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Re: US Am at Oakmont
« Reply #12 on: August 12, 2021, 04:21:13 PM »
This is what makes Oakmont special, imho. I don't know if it's unique, I haven't played really any other greats, but I will share my story of the 2nd hole.


I was really struggling that last time. I haven't played much since my son was born 17 years ago, maybe a few times a year. My wonderfully tolerant host accepted that. When we stepped up to the second tee, I did the same thing I did on the first tee: cold topped the shot, lifted out of it, hit it about 40 yards on the ground. It's pretty damn embarrassing to do that.


But I hit my next 7 iron long and true, and was left with a wedge to the diabolical 2nd green, which slopes hard back to the player in the fairway. The hole location was back left. My last thought was, don't hit it short, or it's coming back to you off the green. I didn't.


I hit it over the green.


I was back behind the green, above the hole, in the vaunted Oakmont rough. Left with an impossible chip/pitch down to a green not sloping, but running away from me. I took out my sand wedge, took a couple practice swings, and hit the best shot I've ever hit in my life. It floated up, dropped down, caught the bare edge of the rough, bounced into the fringe, and rolled down to about 8 feet from the green. Even my caddy said, that was a really nice shot.


Of course, I missed the 8 footer and walked away with a double, but it was the best double bogey I've ever had in my life.


And that happened because Oakmont accommodates the awful shot (my tee shot) and accepted my errant approach shot, and gave me a really tough, but not impossible, not penalty-stroke-adding option.


I will later discuss the playoff in the 2003 US Am, and the highly underrated 11th hole.
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

Tommy Williamsen

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Re: US Am at Oakmont
« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2021, 05:18:54 PM »
You gotta root for this guy David Nyfjall from Sweden. He survived a 13 for one spot to make match play. He plays the top seed and wins the last four holes to win one up and now leads in the round of 32. No matter what else happens it is a good week for him.
Where there is no love, put love; there you will find love.
St. John of the Cross

"Deep within your soul-space is a magnificent cathedral where you are sweet beyond telling." Rumi

Peter Pallotta

Re: US Am at Oakmont
« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2021, 06:04:45 PM »
Good post, George - and very good to see you again.
As Mark F notes, we've discussed 'playability' (and 'fun') a lot around here, re Oakmont specifically and in general with countless other courses.
But George has always made those terms simple and crystal clear: when a guy who has only played golf a few times a year for almost 20 years can go there and not lose a ball and hit great shots and make a joyous double-bogey and absolutely LOVE the course, then Oakmont is very definitely 'playable for all levels of golfer.'
Of course, the 4 and 6 handicappers who put up unusually big numbers out there (the members' guests, I mean, not the Ams this week) might have quite a different perspective on that!
Sending best wishes, George
P


« Last Edit: August 12, 2021, 06:20:22 PM by Peter Pallotta »

Brad Lawrence

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Re: US Am at Oakmont
« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2021, 06:26:25 PM »
I don’t care anything about who wins these matches or the tournament. I am watching for the course and this is as close as most of us will ever get to Oakmont, especially without the stands and big crowds of a US Open.

Joe Bausch

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Re: US Am at Oakmont
« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2021, 07:43:16 PM »
I bet some newbies are looking at this thread and maybe desiring more visuals.  Here are how my eyes and camera saw Oakmont about 7 years ago:


http://www80.homepage.villanova.edu/joseph.bausch/images/albums/Oakmont/index.html
@jwbausch (for new photo albums)
The site for the Cobb's Creek project:  https://cobbscreek.org/
Nearly all Delaware Valley golf courses in photo albums: Bausch Collection

Garland Bayley

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Re: US Am at Oakmont
« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2021, 10:03:11 PM »
... And I have played precisely none of the pretenders.
...

That's OK. There are people posting against the stymie, and I am confident some of them have never played a real stymie.
;)
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Kalen Braley

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Re: US Am at Oakmont
« Reply #18 on: August 13, 2021, 01:04:03 PM »
After checking a few links online, it looks like the 4 par 3s at Oakmont can cumulatively play at roughly 900 yards.

What other course has such long par 3s?

Jeff Schley

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Re: US Am at Oakmont
« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2021, 02:38:25 AM »
... And I have played precisely none of the pretenders.
...

That's OK. There are people posting against the stymie, and I am confident some of them have never played a real stymie.
 ;)
Garland you do enjoy posterizing others don't you? On breakaways I don't think you ever just did a finger roll layout and humbly ran back down court.  It was throw down time I bet.

"To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice your gifts."
- Steve Prefontaine

Garland Bayley

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Re: US Am at Oakmont
« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2021, 09:57:53 AM »
Dunking resulted in a technical foul when I played. The one time I was given the green light by the coach was against our arch rival on our home court. (He wanted the crowd to go rabid.) I was hammered by defenders from both sides so just flipped the ball into the hoop and completed the three point play. A teammate got the dunk on a fast break shortly thereafter.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Anthony Gholz

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Re: US Am at Oakmont
« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2021, 11:45:48 AM »
George: 


I know you're an Oakmont guy as I am an Oakland Hills guy.  So prejudice is on the table. 


However, watching Oakmont this week and seeing the past two opens on site it is sad to see the artificially built up tees; say 7, 17, and 18 for starters. and several more.  The golf course is NOT laid on the land as Fownes designed it.  In fact number 17 is now a reverse land movement tee shot. Might as well build a steel frame platform with a carpet on it. Oakland Hills does have one artificially built up hill tee at #7, but it is a much mote natural looking complex, and a beautiful spectator mound for viewing 4 and 5.  The contrast between the two courses is so striking as one has a freeway and rr thru it dividing the course and creating industrial background sound and the other of course all of one piece.  Oakland brings back the Golden Age with widening of the fairways and a return to Ross's original bunkering locations, not brought in and narrowed, along with narrowed fairways. 


We in the Detroit area are starved for Opens and Amateurs on "our" major course.  The infrastructure problems that Oakmont and Merion have with restricted areas around the clubhouse, practice areas miles away (Merion), tees only used in majors (you too Old Course).  Come to Detroit where its all there in one place with room for all you need on one of the great natural properties for golf.  "The lord intended ...."


Once again kudos to Hanse/Wagner and team.


Thanks for allowing this rant.
Anthony




Tommy Williamsen

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Re: US Am at Oakmont
« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2021, 12:22:16 PM »
Anthony, I will be playing OH next month and am eager to see the changes that have been made. I will also play Bloomfield Hills. What can you tell me about it. I know that they have found documents that have contradicted their Ross provenance in favor of Colt, and have had a lot of work done. I have never played it.
Where there is no love, put love; there you will find love.
St. John of the Cross

"Deep within your soul-space is a magnificent cathedral where you are sweet beyond telling." Rumi

John Kavanaugh

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Re: US Am at Oakmont
« Reply #23 on: August 15, 2021, 03:00:48 PM »
I'm having a bit of trouble getting past the ugliness of the aiming poles.

Kalen Braley

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Re: US Am at Oakmont
« Reply #24 on: August 15, 2021, 04:34:30 PM »
As glorious as Oakmont is and this is no way is a negative on the course...but I really miss watching this event at a place like Bandon from last year. The wind, the ruggedness, the sights, etc, it was so terrific watching very good players tackle it all.

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