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Craig Disher

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« Reply #25 on: August 03, 2021, 09:13:33 AM »

As to the water issue, necessity is the mother of invention.  How does Israel handle its scarcity?  Our "progressive" friends believe in a Jetsons scenario for green energy.  The Romans built extensive aqueducts thousands of years ago.  Where is all the new technology to capture billions and billions gallons of rain water that flows down the drain?  Doesn't climate change and green energy orthodoxy spell significant upsides for desalination and food production?  I won't be moving to AZ, but do we really think that all the people who are lack brains and common sense?   
Lou,Good question about Israel. All water in the country is owned by the state and its use is controlled by national law. Apparently intensive government control can work. I've been there occasionally and can't recall seeing a prvate swimming pool or a golf course.

Sean_A

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« Reply #26 on: August 03, 2021, 11:41:49 AM »

As to the water issue, necessity is the mother of invention.  How does Israel handle its scarcity?  Our "progressive" friends believe in a Jetsons scenario for green energy.  The Romans built extensive aqueducts thousands of years ago.  Where is all the new technology to capture billions and billions gallons of rain water that flows down the drain?  Doesn't climate change and green energy orthodoxy spell significant upsides for desalination and food production?  I won't be moving to AZ, but do we really think that all the people who are lack brains and common sense?   
Lou,Good question about Israel. All water in the country is owned by the state and its use is controlled by national law. Apparently intensive government control can work. I've been there occasionally and can't recall seeing a prvate swimming pool or a golf course.

The Israelis are very serious about water conservation. Still, desalination accounts for the majority of their water.

Ciao
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Craig Disher

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« Reply #27 on: August 03, 2021, 12:48:43 PM »

As to the water issue, necessity is the mother of invention.  How does Israel handle its scarcity?  Our "progressive" friends believe in a Jetsons scenario for green energy.  The Romans built extensive aqueducts thousands of years ago.  Where is all the new technology to capture billions and billions gallons of rain water that flows down the drain?  Doesn't climate change and green energy orthodoxy spell significant upsides for desalination and food production?  I won't be moving to AZ, but do we really think that all the people who are lack brains and common sense?   
Lou,Good question about Israel. All water in the country is owned by the state and its use is controlled by national law. Apparently intensive government control can work. I've been there occasionally and can't recall seeing a prvate swimming pool or a golf course.

The Israelis are very serious about water conservation. Still, desalination accounts for the majority of their water.

Ciao
Serious even to the extent of mandating flow-control heads on hotel showers - at least when I'd been there. Still, Israel gets more rain than Arizona and I assume has an elaborate catchment system. The other end of the spectrum is Saudi Arabia which may get all their water from desalination and has no difficulty creating green spaces and filling swimming pools. But if desalination is the future for the SW, can the same lifestyle be supported if water costs double? Federal subsidies would be needed to build the the infrastructure to transport the water to the really dry areas - like AZ.


Kalen Braley

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« Reply #28 on: August 03, 2021, 01:07:10 PM »

As to the water issue, necessity is the mother of invention.  How does Israel handle its scarcity?  Our "progressive" friends believe in a Jetsons scenario for green energy.  The Romans built extensive aqueducts thousands of years ago.  Where is all the new technology to capture billions and billions gallons of rain water that flows down the drain?  Doesn't climate change and green energy orthodoxy spell significant upsides for desalination and food production?  I won't be moving to AZ, but do we really think that all the people who are lack brains and common sense?   
Lou,Good question about Israel. All water in the country is owned by the state and its use is controlled by national law. Apparently intensive government control can work. I've been there occasionally and can't recall seeing a prvate swimming pool or a golf course.

The Israelis are very serious about water conservation. Still, desalination accounts for the majority of their water.

Ciao
Serious even to the extent of mandating flow-control heads on hotel showers - at least when I'd been there. Still, Israel gets more rain than Arizona and I assume has an elaborate catchment system. The other end of the spectrum is Saudi Arabia which may get all their water from desalination and has no difficulty creating green spaces and filling swimming pools. But if desalination is the future for the SW, can the same lifestyle be supported if water costs double? Federal subsidies would be needed to build the the infrastructure to transport the water to the really dry areas - like AZ.


Craig,

As I see it, there would need to be coordination on the federal level.  Given So Cal has the proximity to the ocean, if they could desalinate enough water to significantly reduce the amount they have to pull in from other areas, there should be plenty to go around for the other land-locked Western States.

From what I've read, So Cal only gets enough water locally to support 4-5 million of its ~25 million population, its a truly massive amount they are bringing in.

Steve_ Shaffer

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« Reply #29 on: August 03, 2021, 02:25:41 PM »
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Lou_Duran

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« Reply #30 on: August 03, 2021, 03:01:40 PM »
Thanks Craig.  Visiting Israel and Jordan is very high in my bucket list.


I don't really know that much about how Israel works other than that the government exerts tremendous control.  At least historically, it had strong socialistic elements in its economy.  I had some exposure to its defense apparatus back in the late 1970s to early '80s, primarily the air force, and was greatly impressed in terms of sense of mission, esprit de corps, and diligence.  I understand that its tech sector is highly advanced.  With existential threats being the norm, if strong government controls are going to work well anywhere, it would be in Israel.


I don't know what percent of U.S. water is controlled by a level of government, but it has to be very high.  We have a large variety of water utilities in Texas from which we buy our water, and they in turn are subject to regulations of various boards, the Corp of Engineers, the EPA, and who knows who else.  It is complicated, a reason why we have a scarcity of reservoirs built over the last 30 years.


As to desalination, if one believes the estimates of future green energy production provided by the government and its advocates, then this method should be a large part of the equation.  However, there are articles in the environmental press which claim that the desalination process is not only highly energy-intensive, but some of its byproducts are dangerous and pollutive.


BTW, this is hardly a new issue.  Ralph Plummer, who designed some 100 courses mostly in Texas, opined 70+ years ago that the availability of an inexpensive source of water was the most important factor in selecting a site for a golf course; more so than the quality of the land or the special natural features which golfers valued.

Sean_A

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Re: OT - "Young People Are Moving To Golf Communities"
« Reply #31 on: August 03, 2021, 04:48:21 PM »
Thanks Craig.  Visiting Israel and Jordan is very high in my bucket list.


I don't really know that much about how Israel works other than that the government exerts tremendous control.  At least historically, it had strong socialistic elements in its economy.  I had some exposure to its defense apparatus back in the late 1970s to early '80s, primarily the air force, and was greatly impressed in terms of sense of mission, esprit de corps, and diligence.  I understand that its tech sector is highly advanced.  With existential threats being the norm, if strong government controls are going to work well anywhere, it would be in Israel.


I don't know what percent of U.S. water is controlled by a level of government, but it has to be very high.  We have a large variety of water utilities in Texas from which we buy our water, and they in turn are subject to regulations of various boards, the Corp of Engineers, the EPA, and who knows who else.  It is complicated, a reason why we have a scarcity of reservoirs built over the last 30 years.


As to desalination, if one believes the estimates of future green energy production provided by the government and its advocates, then this method should be a large part of the equation.  However, there are articles in the environmental press which claim that the desalination process is not only highly energy-intensive, but some of its byproducts are dangerous and pollutive.


BTW, this is hardly a new issue.  Ralph Plummer, who designed some 100 courses mostly in Texas, opined 70+ years ago that the availability of an inexpensive source of water was the most important factor in selecting a site for a golf course; more so than the quality of the land or the special natural features which golfers valued.

Desalination is far from perfect, but the current methods of providing water for SW USA is not adequate and may have worse long term effects. The only sure way to ease the problem is to massively depopulate the area...that doesn't seem likely.

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Kalen Braley

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Re: OT - "Young People Are Moving To Golf Communities"
« Reply #32 on: August 03, 2021, 05:12:50 PM »
Sean,

Here's the insanity I'm seeing in Utah....the state is in complete denial as far as I can tell.

- Zero water usage coordination at the state level.
- Northern Utah is full of neighborhoods with massive water consuming trees and green lawns with little in the way of incentives to convert to Xeriscape.
- 1/2 of the state is categorized in the 2nd worst drought level category (1-5 scale) of "Extreme Drought" and the other half is at the worst level "Exceptional Drought". Meanwhile the only messaging from State and local levels so far? "Pretty please try to cut back on water usage" because anymore than that will result in endless tantrums like wearing masks during the pandemic.
- But that's not even the worst part.  The entire area is growing like crazy with most new homes going in with massive lawns and the latest estimates suggest Northern Utah will double its current population in the next 20 years.

SMH....

Pete_Pittock

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« Reply #33 on: August 03, 2021, 05:26:28 PM »
Kalen,
More land is becoming available with the shrinking of the Great Salt Lake.


  Would desalinization counter the predicted ocean levels rise?

John Emerson

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« Reply #34 on: August 03, 2021, 05:46:46 PM »
Seems like everyone is making excuses for mankind trying to tame a desert.  In the history of man, we have lost every single battle of that ilk, and lost badly. It won’t work, and in the end, there will be a huge exodus of people or loss of life.  Maybe not now, but 40?, 50? 60? years from now, yes. In other words (my KY accent)….it ain’t sustainable
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Lou_Duran

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« Reply #35 on: August 03, 2021, 06:00:12 PM »
I know that it is hard to contemplate, Kalen, but does it ever occur to you that your view of the world might be wrong?  The numerous people I know who own property and spend time in Park City are well-informed, generally have a long track record of making good decisions, and don't run around with their hair on fire.  When you see the PC real estate market outpacing the U.S.'s in retreat, then perhaps there is a strong reason to worry.  At least in PC, I am told that one of the reasons for exorbitant real estate prices is that land use is carefully controlled, an acknowledgement, I suspect, of the scarcity of water.


Deserts have been inhabited off and on for centuries.  Taming might not be a good word; maybe adaptation?  I wonder how many people felt the same way about the internal lands of America back in the early 1700s and still the Amazon today.  We can romanticize about colonizing Mars but can't visualize living sustainably in arid lands?





Kalen Braley

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« Reply #36 on: August 03, 2021, 06:44:42 PM »
Lou,

My last post contained well-known facts for anyone who bothers to do the due diligence. If you interpret that as "hair on fire" then I'm glad because I wish Utah would too.

Park City is certainly interesting demographically but is a very poor comparison to what occurs in the rest of the state, much less the fact that it is a tiny population with a high % of 2nd, 3rd, nth...residences.  But yes I appreciate their strict building codes, its always an aesthetically nice place to visit on a hot summer day to cool off.  As it pertains to well-informed individuals, I would certainly agree with that assessment too as unlike the rest of the Utah, Summit County is very Blue.  ;)

I'm glad you brought up adaptation because that's exactly the issue here and I don't see any of that in Utah as noted in my prior post.  But perhaps one of those well-informed PC folks can figure out a way for Utah to significantly increase its annual moisture totals to compensate.

P.S.  Pete, yes GSL is drying up fast...but:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/17/us/great-salt-lake-drought-dying/index.html

"Utah's soil is naturally high in arsenic, a toxic compound that causes a frightening range of health problems. When it washes downstream, it lands in the lake, Perry said. When the wind blows, as it regularly does quite fiercely, it kicks up the dusty lake bed."




MKrohn

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« Reply #37 on: August 03, 2021, 08:12:43 PM »
The first paragraph of the CNN article that Kalen attached mentions the Dead Sea, not sure the Israelis are significantly ahead of the curve.


Below is an article on the Dead Sea sinkholes.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-10/the-disappearing-dead-sea-sinkhole-science-en-gedi/100123858

Craig Disher

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« Reply #38 on: August 03, 2021, 10:25:33 PM »
The first paragraph of the CNN article that Kalen attached mentions the Dead Sea, not sure the Israelis are significantly ahead of the curve.


Below is an article on the Dead Sea sinkholes.


https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-10/the-disappearing-dead-sea-sinkhole-science-en-gedi/100123858
The theme is somewhat misleading. There are still plenty of beaches on the Dead Sea where one can go and float on top of the water. Not my thing and I couldn't understand the appeal. The problem at Ein Gedi hasn't shown itself elsewhere and ultimately the problem is with managing the flow of the Jordan River, something extremely difficult to do without cooperation between Jordan, Israel, and the PA. I think Israel is managing the curve pretty well given the circumstances.


Gib_Papazian

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« Reply #39 on: August 04, 2021, 03:39:46 PM »
On the horrific water shortages we are grappling with here in Califuckyourself . . . . .

If our politicians would stop green-lighting (read: taking bribes from Developers) enormous housing projects, far beyond our ability to support them with existing infrastructure - and maybe quit getting into wars and pissing contests with half the world - we already have the technology to solve a huge chunk of the problem:

]https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesconca/2019/07/14/megadroughts-and-desalination-another-pressing-need-for-nuclear-power/?sh=23e8153e7fde

It comes down to political will . . . . .   
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Bill Seitz

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« Reply #40 on: August 04, 2021, 04:38:06 PM »
Desalination is far from perfect, but the current methods of providing water for SW USA is not adequate and may have worse long term effects. The only sure way to ease the problem is to massively depopulate the area...that doesn't seem likely.

Ciao


California has plenty of water to support its population. It just gets a little tricky if you also want to grow food.  I mean, what's more important, that 25 ounce bag of almonds, or 500 gallons of water.  Might have to actually choose some day.

John Emerson

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Re: OT - "Young People Are Moving To Golf Communities"
« Reply #41 on: August 05, 2021, 08:56:01 PM »
Desalination is far from perfect, but the current methods of providing water for SW USA is not adequate and may have worse long term effects. The only sure way to ease the problem is to massively depopulate the area...that doesn't seem likely.

Ciao


California has plenty of water to support its population. It just gets a little tricky if you also want to grow food.  I mean, what's more important, that 25 ounce bag of almonds, or 500 gallons of water.  Might have to actually choose some day.


The people of California lost the battle a long time ago.  The farmers use 80%(or more) of the water to grow food where it shouldn’t be grown. If you take away the farmers there’s enough water there to support all the people and more for a very long time.  But, again, the water boards made the decision long time ago that farmers have dibs on the water.  Not suggesting we don’t need food, but that’s a whole other discussion. 
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Joe_Tucholski

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« Reply #42 on: August 05, 2021, 10:52:45 PM »
What's the average age of the posters on this thread?

Is it that "Young People Are Moving to Golf Communities" or that "People Younger Than You Are Moving to Golf Communities."  The article gives no real information to support the the title.  I thought the line talking about Jerry Seinfeld's parents was a good example of what I'm getting at (they were born in 1915/1918).  Jerry Seinfeld is now 67 years old.

Sorry but when I hear about a shortage of young people in golf it's usually coming from a) old guys who don't often play at the same places and/or times they did when they were younger or b) old guys who started playing later in life (a time they now consider young).

My last round was at Common Ground and I only remember seeing one person older than me (playing with a couple kids).  I'm 38 for reference.

Duncan Cheslett

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« Reply #43 on: August 06, 2021, 03:06:41 AM »
The idea of retiring to a "golf community" has its attractions for my wife and myself. That would probably mean Spain or Portugal.


However, when we contrast the appeal of sunnier climes with what we have in our rather ordinary but pleasant enough 3-bed semi-detached house in the Manchester suburbs I have to consider that;


1. The house is paid for.
2. Our kids and grandkids live round the corner.
3. We are immune from from both flooding and drought. If it stops raining in Manchester it really will be the end of the world.
4. We have a wealth of very good golf courses within easy reach. We have the whole of the UK within a day's drive.
5. Brexit has made the idea of living in continental Europe rather risky.


On balance I think we'll stick rather than twist...

Tim Martin

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« Reply #44 on: August 06, 2021, 07:30:59 AM »
The idea of retiring to a "golf community" has its attractions for my wife and myself. That would probably mean Spain or Portugal.


However, when we contrast the appeal of sunnier climes with what we have in our rather ordinary but pleasant enough 3-bed semi-detached house in the Manchester suburbs I have to consider that;


1. The house is paid for.
2. Our kids and grandkids live round the corner.
3. We are immune from from both flooding and drought. If it stops raining in Manchester it really will be the end of the world.
4. We have a wealth of very good golf courses within easy reach. We have the whole of the UK within a day's drive.
5. Brexit has made the idea of living in continental Europe rather risky.


On balance I think we'll stick rather than twist...


Duncan-I would append your #4 to note the fact that you are constantly playing MacKenzie courses. #HERO

Gib_Papazian

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« Reply #45 on: August 06, 2021, 12:36:47 PM »
John,

We grow iceberg lettuce, cauliflower - and a whole list of weather-appropriate varieties on both our ranches in Salinas. We also grow potatoes in southern Oregon and far north California.

Water - just like the movie Chinatown - has become politicized out west to the point that officials literally punish or provide water depending on the dominant party in a given district.

For instance, the Klamath Basin is very conservative - Trump flags fly and GOP bumperstickers are everywhere. Portland/Salem - by contrast - is largely a lunatic asylum. One brother-in-law is an FBI trainer there, the other a sitting Superior Court Judge.

This year, to punish the farmers in the basin (both sides of the CA/Oregon border) - who vote overwhelmingly Republican - we have had the vast majority of our water taken away. You want to grow Burbank and Norcoda Russets? You know, the same ones we have been farming for decades? Well, tough shit there Mr. Dirty Boots, we'll give you just enough water to grow barley - unless you want to pay astronomical rates for any additional . . . . and the environuts have made licensing a well prohibitively expensive.

California does the same in our Central Valley - and just so we are all clear - after conservative farmers, golf courses are target #2.  So anybody who invests their money in a golf community must have rocks in their head, because these same politicians are also the ones who take bribes to green light high density developments in places where we do not have the roads or sewers or water to support it.

Tom D. is spot on here . . . . . and when inflation finally catches up with all this fiat money, the shit is going to hit those wasteful windmills  - that make a bigger footprint of pollution than just building dams that also produce electricity. We don't really have a water problem, we have a population and political will problem.

But I do have a question . . . . "The farmers use 80%(or more) of the water to grow food where it shouldn’t be grown."

Please explain. We definitely build golf courses on horrible land better suited to grazing, but where specifically are we growing food "where it shouldn't be grown?"

P.S. Just for the record, I am deeply mixed up in a farm for Special Needs adults . . . . the enviro lobby (including the Sierra Club, which is now a political action committee) worked tirelessly to block us digging a well - not only for our crops, but to provide water for the housing facility we are building just outside Half Moon Bay next door to the farm. Why? So they could force (read: punish) us to pay $71,000 of blood money to the Montara water district for the hookup - and then charge our residents and their families usury rates.

P.S.#2  . . . . . Water is political in California - and farmers are an easy target because the statehouse is a sewer of special interests on the left side of the ledger. They have done such a lovely job of harassing our truckers with regulatory insanity, withholding or parceling out water and taxing us out of existence on both Federal and State, we are non-competitive. Filling in the void, the Eastern Canadian vegetable growers have essentially kicked us out of the upper Atlantic seaboard . . . . .     
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Kalen Braley

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« Reply #46 on: August 06, 2021, 06:32:07 PM »
John,

P.S.#2  . . . . . Water is political in California - and farmers are an easy target because the statehouse is a sewer of special interests on the left side of the ledger. They have done such a lovely job of harassing our truckers with regulatory insanity, withholding or parceling out water and taxing us out of existence on both Federal and State, we are non-competitive. Filling in the void, the Eastern Canadian vegetable growers have essentially kicked us out of the upper Atlantic seaboard . . . . .     
Gib,

I'm genuinely curious.  If California farmers are not competitive how is it that they still produce a massive % of the crops that basically feed America.  Unless your contention is that they aren't as competitive as before?

California’s agricultural abundance includes more than 400 commodities. Over a third of the country’s vegetables and two-thirds of the country’s fruits and nuts are grown in California.

https://www.cdfa.ca.gov/Statistics/#:~:text=California's%20agricultural%20abundance%20includes%20more,Almonds%20%E2%80%94%20%246.09%20billion

Gib_Papazian

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« Reply #47 on: August 09, 2021, 04:43:11 PM »
Kalen,


California farmers are becoming less competitive every year. Business taxes, licensing, endless red tape - and competition for water with the population explosion. All those housing projects, approved with bribes (call it what it is), horrendously expensive health care (nice job Obama) that provides less every year (but the insurance rates still climb out of control) . . . . and then FUEL and petroleum products (which includes plastics).


The imbeciles in the statehouse have just about harassed and strangled our trucking companies out of business, which has made long-haul transportation mostly non-competitive. Depending on the item and time of year, Mexico, Eastern Canada and South America - due to the cost of running a business in California - can produce and deliver most items far cheaper than we can.


Our "break even" numbers out here have risen to astronomical levels - for example - a box of wrapped iceberg lettuce now costs well north of $10 a box to grow, pick, pack, cool and ship. Fuel costs have essentially doubled - and with the labor shortage (since Biden passed out printed money like it was Halloween candy, so nobody wants to work), freight rates have also nearly doubled.


So, let's use a box of romaine to do the exercise. If it costs me $11 to produce and ship 24 heads (assuming a $1 profit or I will be go out of business) and $10 a box in freight to New York, the delivered cost is $21, still with me?


But the Eastern Canadians (being subsidized and not being gouged to death on water) can produce the same thing through the growing season up there for $8.00 (US $'s) - but their freight costs are only $5, being much closer - that leaves an $8 disparity. Eastern French Canucks are not dummies. If CA product costs us $20 just to break even, they can sell comparable product for $18 delivered and make a $5 profit on every box.


Now, extrapolate that (in Winter, out of Mexico and south) for nearly every item they can grow to compete with us, California growers have been artificially made non-competitive, largely because of burdens imposed by the government. Every year, the noose gets tighter, every year the taxes get higher - and Estate taxes destroy thousands of family owned farming - which is easy pickings for corporate America, who snap up the entrails at wildly reduced prices.


Oh yeah, corporations don't pay "Death Taxes" - which is what I've been struggling with for the last 19 months and counting - selling chunks of real estate to pay taxes that took a lifetime to pay off. The bottom line, net net is this: No regulatory law is passed by our one-party state unless it further enriches our wasteful, jackbooted, incompetent government - and all the printed fiat money in the world is not going to solve these problems when the inevitable economic corrections start to detonate.


He who controls the water, he who controls the tax code and he who inflicts these increasingly onerous regulations makes the rules. And they can change the rules of the game anytime they want, because there is nobody to stop them. Most farmers are conservative, so the only way we stay afloat is to fight constant uphill battles against a hostile one-party government that is supposed to protect and encourage American commerce and our food supply - while companies like Nike wag a scolding finger with all this bullshit virtue signalling, making those $150 tennis shoes not in America, but by slave labor overseas.


As for golf communities, when the government cuts them off at the knees - since we don't build dams - their houses along the fairway are not going to be worth a nickel. 


             


 


 
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David_Tepper

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« Reply #48 on: August 09, 2021, 11:28:35 PM »
It may take a while longer, but I suspect all the coastal golf communities in the southeastern US (the Carolinas, Georgia & Florida) could be in for a rude surprise in the coming decades. Climate change and rising sea levels could wreak havoc. There will not be enough Hans Brinkers around to make a difference. 

Gib_Papazian

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« Reply #49 on: August 10, 2021, 11:59:11 AM »
David,


Could not agree more - how many more hurricanes can the courses along the Intercoastal Waterway withstand? Not sure I fully buy the "global warming" theories, but if the world were actually serious about it, there would not have been so many carve-outs and exemptions for countries like China and India - whose pollution and over-population is still at frightening levels.


If the Statehouse imbeciles were serious about solving the water problem, they would have built some dams (and power plants, which is why we have to buy electricity instead of making all of it ourselves). If they gave a shit about the environment, they (and the Fed) would have managed our forests, instead of waiting for a catastrophe to do something about it.

Or, just establish a moratorium on high-density housing and Central Valley and Palm Desert (golf) retirement communities until we can get out in front of the water, power, sewer and road deficiencies.

But they won't, because like the national debt, both major irresponsible parties put their head in the sand, kick the can down the road and act surprised when the feces hits the windmill.   


BTW, for the record, my father-in-law - the wisest owl in the forest - predicted the Paradise and Shasta fires five years before they ignited and burned my wife's house to the ground. 
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