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Ted Sturges

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Has any other modern era architect...
« on: June 30, 2021, 02:35:44 PM »
...been more adept at making world class players more uncomfortable than Pete Dye?


Watching the tour guys play TPC Sawgrass, The Ocean Course at Kiawah and last week's Travelers just makes one wonder why Pete was so good at this (watching Bubba Watson soil himself on the back 9 highlighted this for me).


I remember Jack Nicklaus saying (I believe in Ran's interview with him on this site) that Pete asked golfers to play next to hazards, while Jack tended to make golfers play over hazards.  For the tour pros, playing over something is usually not a problem, but knowing you can't hit it left or right sure does mess with one's brain.


Was anybody in the modern era better at this than Mr. Dye?  Why haven't more architects attempted to do this?


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Tom_Doak

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« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2021, 02:51:32 PM »


 Why haven't more architects attempted to do this?



None of us are really designing courses for Tour pros.

Jaeger Kovich

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Re: Has any other modern era architect...
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2021, 02:52:46 PM »
No... If you make the modern pros too uncomfortable your work gets changed, they hire someone else, they go somewhere else, or some combo of that.

Brad Lawrence

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Re: Has any other modern era architect...
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2021, 02:54:49 PM »
No... If you make the modern pros too uncomfortable your work gets changed, they hire someone else, they go somewhere else, or some combo of that.


Evidence?

Peter Pallotta

Re: Has any other modern era architect...
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2021, 02:56:39 PM »
Are there other modern architects who are even *willing* to make tour pros so uncomfortable?
Any others who, like Mr. Dye, are happy to risk/court the ire and complaints of world class players?
Any as ready as Mr. Dye was to handle the very high-profile criticisms that would come their way?
I don't know whether other modern architects have the *skills* to design courses that make the best golfers in the world uncomfortable; but I don't see many who have the *attitude* needed to design such courses.
Money and personal prestige are powerful forces/allurements. Mr. Dye didn't seem all that concerned about either.


Kalen Braley

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Re: Has any other modern era architect...
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2021, 03:01:00 PM »
I'm guessing someone on this site has gotta have it, but it would be interesting to see a breakdown of current venues on Tour and which architect is mostly responsible for what is there...

P.S.  I recall Tom D saying the pros really hate centerline bunkers, and that's usually a good/desirable feature for the crowd on this site.

Jeff_Brauer

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« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2021, 03:09:42 PM »
I suppose Pete is it, but please recall that his greens at TPC Jacksonville were renovated more than once under the eye of a PGA Tour committee. (I related that story here just a few weeks ago)  Since he was designing mostly TPC courses that got used for PGA Tour events, it is understandable that his (or anyone's) designs conform to the wishes of the main clientele, but he did try to fight them as much as he could!


On the opposite side of the spectrum is Rees Jones, who probably epitomizes the "What you see is what you get", "It lays out in front of you like a road map" and doesn't have any goofy golf.


Or, as Jack put it, "The golf course shouldn't hurt you intentionally."
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Jaeger Kovich

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Re: Has any other modern era architect...
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2021, 03:18:15 PM »
No... If you make the modern pros too uncomfortable your work gets changed, they hire someone else, they go somewhere else, or some combo of that.


Evidence?


There is the famous centerline bunker situation at TPC Boston. Also, Trinity Forest.

Brad Lawrence

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Re: Has any other modern era architect...
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2021, 03:21:46 PM »
Rees Jones, who probably epitomizes the "What you see is what you get", "It lays out in front of you like a road map" and doesn't have any goofy golf.


That makes sense. Anytime I hear a course described as “right out in front of you”, I know I’m going to hate it. It’s like calling a house for sale, a “real fixer-upper” or “cozy”.  Red flag!









Tom_Doak

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Re: Has any other modern era architect...
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2021, 03:32:41 PM »
No... If you make the modern pros too uncomfortable your work gets changed, they hire someone else, they go somewhere else, or some combo of that.


I'd like to agree with this, but it requires a caveat.  It often isn't the players as individuals who call for such "fixes", or at least enough of them to make a quorum; it's the Tour staff, reacting to what they hear.  They would prefer no one complained about a course, ever -- no negativity that might reflect on the sponsors, or the host site, or whatever.  So they try really hard to head off anything remotely controversial before it even happens.  It is absolutely nothing like the old attitude of, "Just put your head down and play."


Of course, I'm assigning that to "the Tour", but it's a matter of individual action.  And I would imagine that what those individuals REALLY want to avoid is a controversy that might somehow threaten their very generous salaried positions.

David Wuthrich

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Re: Has any other modern era architect...
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2021, 03:50:31 PM »
Tom,


Do you think that is what happened in Dallas at Trinity Forest?

Jeff_Brauer

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Re: Has any other modern era architect...
« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2021, 03:51:18 PM »
Rees Jones, who probably epitomizes the "What you see is what you get", "It lays out in front of you like a road map" and doesn't have any goofy golf.


That makes sense. Anytime I hear a course described as “right out in front of you”, I know I’m going to hate it. It’s like calling a house for sale, a “real fixer-upper” or “cozy”.  Red flag!


It's probably possible to have it right in front of you, but also for you to be uncomfortable.  Imagine seeing the fw clearly from the tee, and realizing that with it's 10% cross slope you will either have to hit the high side, or work the ball against the slope to hold it. 


But, as has been alluded to over the years, a lot of designers designed on paper, and presumed all the target areas were similarly flat as paper, with just enough slope for drainage, i.e., if you hit it there, it held, which is the ultimate in what you see is what the results you expect to get philosophy most good players adhere to.


Good players hate when the cross slope isn't gentle enough to avoid bouncing all the way to the low rough.  Average players usually don't, but perhaps that's because they really don't recognize cross slope as the hazard it can be, whereas the good players do.
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jeffwarne

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Re: Has any other modern era architect...
« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2021, 04:01:38 PM »
No... If you make the modern pros too uncomfortable your work gets changed, they hire someone else, they go somewhere else, or some combo of that.


I'd like to agree with this, but it requires a caveat.  It often isn't the players as individuals who call for such "fixes", or at least enough of them to make a quorum; it's the Tour staff, reacting to what they hear.  They would prefer no one complained about a course, ever -- no negativity that might reflect on the sponsors, or the host site, or whatever.  So they try really hard to head off anything remotely controversial before it even happens.  It is absolutely nothing like the old attitude of, "Just put your head down and play."


Of course, I'm assigning that to "the Tour", but it's a matter of individual action.  And I would imagine that what those individuals REALLY want to avoid is a controversy that might somehow threaten their very generous salaried positions.


That can be true in many situations.
IMHO, the worst thing you can do is pander to the whiners, without getting the opinions of others.
Often,things get changed due to a vocal minority, and you only find that out if you cave to the original complainers-and suddenly the majority are upset with the change the minority pushed for.
I often tell my assistants not to pander to the constant complainers, or spend precious time on them as they merely take time and effort that could be allocated to the rest of the customers. I'd rather have 2% that you will never please stay dissatisfied  than allow their time and soul sucking shenanigans to lesson the experience for the other 98%.
The customer is NOT always right, especially if he lessens the experience for others.


There are many who do not vocally voice their opinion-but they might vote with their feet, so their opinions should be solicited, or at least sampled-and considered as well.
The customer who offers a thoughtful opinion after being consulted often offers the most intelligent and unbiased commentary-but sometimes it stings!
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Brad Lawrence

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Re: Has any other modern era architect...
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2021, 04:28:50 PM »
Rees Jones, who probably epitomizes the "What you see is what you get", "It lays out in front of you like a road map" and doesn't have any goofy golf.


That makes sense. Anytime I hear a course described as “right out in front of you”, I know I’m going to hate it. It’s like calling a house for sale, a “real fixer-upper” or “cozy”.  Red flag!


It's probably possible to have it right in front of you, but also for you to be uncomfortable.  Imagine seeing the fw clearly from the tee, and realizing that with it's 10% cross slope you will either have to hit the high side, or work the ball against the slope to hold it. 


But, as has been alluded to over the years, a lot of designers designed on paper, and presumed all the target areas were similarly flat as paper, with just enough slope for drainage, i.e., if you hit it there, it held, which is the ultimate in what you see is what the results you expect to get philosophy most good players adhere to.


Good players hate when the cross slope isn't gentle enough to avoid bouncing all the way to the low rough.  Average players usually don't, but perhaps that's because they really don't recognize cross slope as the hazard it can be, whereas the good players do.


There’s nothing wrong with a hole that presents everything clearly to you and I would not advocate that all shots be blind or difficult to solve. I tend to like one of a kind holes that are unusual and quirky.  When someone says a course is “right out in front of you”, I assume it’s going to be your typical modern sterile and soulless course that you forget immediately. 

Thomas Dai

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Re: Has any other modern era architect...
« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2021, 04:35:48 PM »
A question worthy of looking at from an international perspective? Many a course has been built with Euro/Asia etc tour events in mind during the last few decades.
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Has any other modern era architect...
« Reply #15 on: June 30, 2021, 04:39:15 PM »
Tom,

Do you think that is what happened in Dallas at Trinity Forest?


I've heard a bunch of things about Trinity Forest, several of which have nothing to do with the golf itself.  The two that ring truest are that the players' wives really liked Las Colinas, and that the lack of shade at Trinity Forest had a withering effect on attendance.


Yes, not everyone liked the golf course, either, and that has a bigger effect on things when the schedule makes it hard to attract top players to start with.


We have several posters here from Dallas that probably know more about it than I do, though.

Jerry Kluger

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« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2021, 04:58:45 PM »
I really don't see the design of the course making the very top players uncomfortable.  They lose their comfort level primarily because of playing conditions including wind, very firm greens and fairways cut extremely narrow - all of which really have very little to do with the actual design of the course.  I was at Quail Hollow this year and watched the very best play a pretty tough track and they were able to face some pretty tough situations without too much trouble. Of course, being out of position in the deep rough can make things tough but most of the time they could get themselves to a position where they could recover and make par.

Matthew Rose

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Re: Has any other modern era architect...
« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2021, 10:05:48 AM »
Watching the tour guys play TPC Sawgrass, The Ocean Course at Kiawah and last week's Travelers just makes one wonder why Pete was so good at this (watching Bubba Watson soil himself on the back 9 highlighted this for me).

Is there really much Dye left at River Highlands, though? I don't remember much about what was there before, but the 17th hole seems like the only remnant of that iteration.
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Steve Lang

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« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2021, 10:22:35 AM »


 Why haven't more architects attempted to do this?



None of us are really designing courses for Tour pros.


Tom Doak, errr what was Memorial Park then, chopped liver?? :o
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Ryan Hillenbrand

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« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2021, 11:06:57 AM »
Watching the tour guys play TPC Sawgrass, The Ocean Course at Kiawah and last week's Travelers just makes one wonder why Pete was so good at this (watching Bubba Watson soil himself on the back 9 highlighted this for me).

Is there really much Dye left at River Highlands, though? I don't remember much about what was there before, but the 17th hole seems like the only remnant of that iteration.




I somehow completely missed that River Highlands was originally designed by Pete Dye. Its amazing how well that course has held up and I've found myself starting to really enjoy that course on TV.


I also remember seeing the houses on the courses back in the early 90s and thinking "those things are huge!" Now they look like your typical American middle class subdivision

Jeff_Brauer

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« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2021, 11:43:56 AM »
I really don't see the design of the course making the very top players uncomfortable.  They lose their comfort level primarily because of playing conditions including wind, very firm greens and fairways cut extremely narrow - all of which really have very little to do with the actual design of the course.  I was at Quail Hollow this year and watched the very best play a pretty tough track and they were able to face some pretty tough situations without too much trouble. Of course, being out of position in the deep rough can make things tough but most of the time they could get themselves to a position where they could recover and make par.


Jerry,


Based on what I know, Tour Players are at least a bit uncomfortable if the shot, in Tiger parlance, "doesn't fit their eye."  In their mind, it's one that fits their shot pattern and/or at least has all the signals that tell them the best shot type to play, then figure out the actual aiming point, amount of curve, height, etc.  As most good players tell me, they like it when the wind, lie, ground contour, and target angle all suggest the same shot, i.e., fade, etc. 


As Jim Colbert once told me, "if you come to an intersection and you have a stop sign and a green light, how do you know what to do?"  Of course, golf is easier when they can "commit to their shot" and it's easier when they know what they should do, and feel like they can do it.  Architects may vary on whether helping them attain commitment or confuse them.  Pete tried to sow doubt, Rees perhaps felt it was a good thing to make them positive, i.e., even for them, golf is hard enough.


Certain shots, like having to aim out over water or OB to attain the target in a cross wind are nearly as uncomfortable for them as it is for us.

And, according to Scott Fawcette, a tee shot landing zone with turf (or tree line to tree line, water, gunch, or whatever is unplayable) at <67.5 yards can make them lose their absolute comfort level about using a driver.  I suppose a turf LZ of about 60 yards would just make them take 3W, but somewhere in there (depending on wind direction) a LZ with somewhere between 63-66 might be enough to tempt them to take driver despite their increased odds of parking one into the weeds.

Or trying to hit a green whose dimensions are less than their expected shot dispersion of about 10% (12% for low handicappers) or 20 yards wide and deep for a 200 yard approach shot, etc. (perhaps adjusted a bit for typical winds, etc.)

The question often debated here is whether we ought to set up shots that they like (or at least have a reasonable chance to execute) or whether we ought to set up shots they find awkward and/or have a very low % chance of executing and hitting and holding the target. I think everyone allows for unreasonable weather conditions, and only expects that in normal conditions for the region they are playing.  They, of course, figure that if they (as best players in the world) can't execute a shot reliably, what architect would expect average players to do so?  (Or, more cynically, just how bad/silly does the gca or tournament organizer want them - especially those in the lower half of the field - to look?)

It's not just modern architects who pander to that.  The general writing of Ross and others in the Golden Age (Thomas in particular) thought the targets ought to match the shot.  The old school thought is philosophically to design targets that good players can attain.   If you do that, then using all sorts of hazards to defend the attainable target area is fair game. 

If greens and fw are too narrow/sloped/small to hit, then even the total absence of hazards would be considered unfair by better golfers.  Of course, it runs a spectrum, i.e., a shot you are less sure of executing is easier to try with no real penalty hazards.  Even with water tight, going for a big green is tempting, if within their margin of error.  And, as discussed in another thread, going for exactly which part of the green - far edge, middle, or tucked pin is the real - and valid - strategy choice, especially where the wind varies every day. 


Again, I think they would view far edge, middle, or tucked as a fair and reasonable choice.  A combination of elements that virtually dictates that they aim away from the green?  Few would like it, but would accept it in either unusual weather conditions, their game being off, etc.


Yes, nothing is fair, and they have the obligation to play the course as they find it, but feel that the gca has the obligation to design holes where there is at least one way to actually get on the green in regulations (penal) with two or more ways of varying difficulty, depending on the tee shot being strategic or heroic and preferred. 

Somewhere in the gray areas (where this debate really exists) is whether the better of the strategic ways might be awkward, i.e., a run up shot rather than aerial approach.  Most golfers accept those kind of shots once in a while, just as they accept the occasional really difficult weather conditions. (although many, and seemingly most often low handicap club players who want to be better competitors and are most likely to think the architecture should help,  don't.)


With now better known info about shot dispersion patterns, instead of guessing, we should be able to create a target even good players will reasonably expect to attain with their "standard" shots. (or, with hole balance, half, i.e., half of fw bend left, half bend right) If they know their statistical probability of success, the gca can estimate it pretty closely as well, putting them just on the edge of confidence.  That seems okay.


Just my perspective.
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Greg Clark

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« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2021, 12:18:16 PM »
Tom,

Do you think that is what happened in Dallas at Trinity Forest?


I've heard a bunch of things about Trinity Forest, several of which have nothing to do with the golf itself.  The two that ring truest are that the players' wives really liked Las Colinas, and that the lack of shade at Trinity Forest had a withering effect on attendance.


Yes, not everyone liked the golf course, either, and that has a bigger effect on things when the schedule makes it hard to attract top players to start with.


We have several posters here from Dallas that probably know more about it than I do, though.


By far the biggest reason that the event was moved from Trinity Forest was the significant reduction in charitable dollars generated by the tournament.  The Salemanship Club runs the Byron Nelson, and it has its own charity The Momentous Institute, which is more or less wholly dependant on the dollars generated by the tournament for its revenue. 

The last year the event was held at the Four Seasons, it generated $6.5M for the Momentous Institute.  That number had fallen below $3M the last two years at Trinity Forest.  This could no longer go on without significant harm to a wonderful charity.  The Salemanship Club knew there would be smaller crowds and a reduction in revenue from that source, but I think they believed that corporate donations would more than offset that.  They were wrong, and had to move. The event at Craig Ranch this year generated $5M for the charity and that was with a Covid mandated 25% of capacity for crowds.  They are bullish on the future.

Trinity Forest as a tournament location had some negatives that were obvious to see.  It isn't in the best part of town, and isn't that easy to get to.  The footprint of the course was always going to mean smaller crowds, and the lack of trees was going to mean limited shade with hot weather.  It's true that many tour wives and players really liked being able to stay on site at the Four Seasons, but only about 25% of the players actually stayed on site from what I have heard.  Plus TF could not catch a break with awful weather, and then Covid, really hurting attendance.


The reality is that architecture played almost no role in the tournament being moved.  It did seem to be a mixed bag in regards to how it was regarded by the tour pros.  And to your point, the event has a poor date, which is going to limit strength of field.  I think the course is extremely interesting, and Coore & Crenshaw did a wonderful job with what they had to work with.  There would be very few people on this site that would prefer TPC Four Seasons, or TPC Craig Ranch over Trinity Forest.  They really aren't in the same league architecturally.  But both are significantly better sites to operate a financially successful tour event on.


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Jerry Kluger

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« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2021, 05:27:34 PM »
Jeff: I understand where you are coming from but I still believe that with the talent and ability of today's top players the conditions have a greater affect on their ability to score than the design of a hole.  Sure, use USGA setup for a US Open and the players will be uncomfortable because of the narrow fairways and extremely deep rough but I don't see that as architecture.  I see them having trouble when the wind blows or when the course is really firm and fast where they are in doubt as to whether their ball will stay in the fairway or on the green.  Look at what happened in the playoff in Hartford - they drove it so far that it really didn't matter to them if they were in a fairway bunker or in the rough - they could still hit it on the green and thereby had a chance at birdie.  Pete Dye was great as challenging golfers with angles and such but with today's equipment the best can deal with that. 

Jeff_Brauer

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« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2021, 10:19:30 AM »
Jerry,


Understood, but perhaps your beliefs are influenced by watching only the top players of that week (you specifically mentioned the playoff) and as we discussed on a recent thread, in any given week, 1-maybe 6 guys have their games at their peak with a real chance to win.   The PGATour probably sets up the courses for the average player that week, or perhaps takes into account how design and setup affect/protects the lower half of the field from embarrassing themselves.  Of course, setting it up that way allows those top 5 guys to shoot low scores.


I have told the story before, but at the Ryder Cup, I followed Seve when he was just out practicing, and he was wild.  I watched Crenshaw in the actual matches, and he was not playing well that day.  I could hear visible "clanks" of the clubheads, as opposed to the normal sound, and he was literally all over the place.  Just a story to reconfirm the above, that what happens with the leaders is not reflective of how well the entire field plays.  And, it partially explains why we see so many 320 yard drives on TV, when those players are statistically averaging less over the year.  Bryson and Rory hit 80% of their drives over 300, but overall it drops off pretty fast, with Harris English hitting only 50% of his drives over 300, and ranking 53rd in that category.


According to Broadie (Every Shot Counts....I must have lent out my "Low Score Wins" by Erik B of this board and not gotten it back!) statistically, from 160 tour pros hit take 2.98 strokes to hit the green from the fw, 3.23 strokes from the rough, 3.28 from the sand, and 3.81 strokes after a "recovery shot" i.e., from behind trees, etc.  The 0.25-0.83 stroke average increase in score can add up when the fw is missed.  If a player misses just 4 fairways in the rough over a tournament, he is statistically going to lose one stroke on average, and how many times does a second vs first, or third vs second, etc. come down to one stroke? 


The median fairways hit % is 60.25% or 5.5 fairways missed per round and about 22 per tournament.  Statistically, missing the fw (depending on how) may cost the statistically average tour player 5-18 strokes per tournament (if he makes the cut) if all approach shots were from 160.  Even from 120 average, the stats are 2.85 fw, 3.08 rough, 3.21 sand, 3.78 recoveries, or about 95% and typically causing "only" 5-17 shots per tourney.  Of course, the lesser players would probably have longer approach shots than the long hitters.


Or course, these average stats don't reflect any given week's weather, setup, etc. and they will be different.  If harder, players will be more conservative, if easier, they may gamble more.


The questions that come up in my mind include just how much harder would we make fw sand bunkers?  They are a bit more difficult to recover from than rough, but not enough to satisfy some people here.  Making them deeper with shaggier edges would certainly raise that additional stroke factor from that point from 2.98 to 3.5 or even 4 (i.e. half or even one shot hazards) but at some point, if the gca makes hitting that fw bunker too hard, it probably makes players more conservative, as witnessed by the go-no go decision making method raised by Scott Fawcette, so I wouldn't want to overdo it. 


It would seem the average player would be the one wanting to take risks more than the top guys, so in essence, hard fw hazards might even spread the field out more, when in general, the tour probably wants to bunch it up for more excitement.


I think it's healthy for the average fan to question things, but in reality, I think after years of setting up courses for the Tour, it probably isn't too far off what they want for an exciting tournament.


And, I agree with you that setting up the fairways at angles like Pete did, creating a target that requires certain shot patterns is a better way to challenge the best (or alternating them to punish the one shot pattern player) by making the target difficult to attain, rather than increasing the punishment substantially. I can't know but suspect more players miss the angled fairways than on other courses. 


Contrast this with Torrey Pines, where the LZ's are straight, and bunker flanked, as well as narrow, but I believe not quite as hard to hit, assuming calm winds, which is rarely the case on the ocean.


As always, just my (statistically backed) opinion.  Edit - I am aware we can use stats to prove just about anything.
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Kalen Braley

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« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2021, 03:24:30 PM »
Jeff,

I think there is a disconnect in your analysis in describing how one pro does vs another. Comparing one insanely good golfer to the next is not as interesting to a comparison to an average "good" golfer.

Yes when an average TP has an "off week" and isn't hitting it well, they're still putting up 4 great rounds, and perhaps all of them might still be in the low 70s.  But take you're average very good 1-2 Capper and they'd be lucky to break 80 on 4 attempts of same course and may even shoot one round in the high 80s.  (Forget about including your average weekend 16 capper in this exercise)

Outside of very difficult event, like a US Open, I don't think its the setup per se, but the experience of playing in difficult conditions week in and week out, practicing crazy hours, having the cameras on you, etc...but perhaps most importantly limiting the ratio of poor shots to good ones. I've hit some crazy shoot goods in my life, anyone can do that, its just a matter of how often I can repeat it!  :)

A contender may shoot 68 and perhaps has two "misses", but 66/68 or a 97% success rate is insanely stupid good, vs a guy who shoots 74 and maybe has 8 bad shots for a 89.5% success ratio. 99.9999% of golfers on the planet, much less a 2 capper, would be over the moon to hit 9 out of 10 shots as they intended, but on Tour that probably means you're going home.

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