[David_Tepper]

Peter P. -

While I understand your post, I think you are missing an important UK constituency that would very much like to see the UK quarantine requirements reduced and/or waived sooner rather, at least for U.S. travelers with proof of vaccination. That is the various British-based airlines (British Air, Virgin Atlantic, Easyjet, Ryanair, etc.) and the sizable UK travel industry (hotels, tour operators, restaurants, car rental companies, B&B owners, etc.). Losing a second summer season of business will leave many of these businesses (and their tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of employees) in dire financial straits.

They have been lobbying the UK government aggressively to find some solution/accommodation.

DT 

[David Kelly]

DT -
as I read this thread and other related ones, a question keeps coming to mind:
What government, ie which ELECTED officials, will be the first to rescind the quarantine requirements for out-of-country [or out-of-EU-member-state] visitors?
In other words: which government leaders will be the first to put the interests or convenience of those who CAN'T EVER VOTE for them over & above the interests of those who MIGHT/MIGHT NOT vote for them in the next election, depending on the very decisions made in this regard?
I want people from this site with plans to do so to be able to travel to other countries for golf, later this summer or in the fall; and I really hope you can get to Dornoch in August without having to quarantine for days on end.
But vaccinated or not, re-tested there or not, delta variants or not, with or without proof and/or vaccine passports, I simply can't see ANY government making such travel 'easy' or quarantine-free for many many months to come.
I mean: why would they? And why would they risk being the FIRST to lift such quarantine requirements for travelling foreign nationals, with all the potential downsides of that and with no discernible upside [especially for their own personal interests]?

Ireland.  As of July 19:
If passenger has valid proof of vaccination, no travel-related testing or quarantine will be necessary.
If passenger does not have valid proof of vaccination, they will need to:
present evidence of a negative PCR test result within 72 hours prior to arrival into the country
self-quarantine
undergo post-arrival testing - this will be provided through the HSE

[Daryl David]

DT -
as I read this thread and other related ones, a question keeps coming to mind:
What government, ie which ELECTED officials, will be the first to rescind the quarantine requirements for out-of-country [or out-of-EU-member-state] visitors?

I mean: why would they? And why would they risk being the FIRST to lift such quarantine requirements for travelling foreign nationals, with all the potential downsides of that and with no discernible upside [especially for their own personal interests]?

Ireland.  As of July 19:
If passenger has valid proof of vaccination, no travel-related testing or quarantine will be necessary.
If passenger does not have valid proof of vaccination, they will need to:
present evidence of a negative PCR test result within 72 hours prior to arrival into the country
self-quarantine
undergo post-arrival testing - this will be provided through the HSE

Who will be be the first?  Not sure I get it. Already have been many.  France, Spain, Germany, Denmark, Netherlands, Portugal, Belgium, Austria, Italy welcoming non EU travelers from green countries. (US is green) We could all go there tomorrow without quarantine. Some require a test, some vaccine cert, some nothing. Many more countries will be open mid July. Ship has sailed, so to speak.

[David_Tepper]

https://www.northern-times.co.uk/news/national/article/scotland-overtakes-north-west-england-as-uk-s-main-covid-19-hotspot-24203/

[John Mayhugh]

Ireland.  As of July 19:
If passenger has valid proof of vaccination, no travel-related testing or quarantine will be necessary.
If passenger does not have valid proof of vaccination, they will need to:
present evidence of a negative PCR test result within 72 hours prior to arrival into the country
self-quarantine
undergo post-arrival testing - this will be provided through the HSE

Note that there is still a CDC requirement that anyone traveling to the US - including citizens (vaccinated or not) - must be prove a negative test result from three days prior to their travel.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/international-travel-during-covid19.html

[Pete_Pittock]

This article does not bode well for you, predicting skyrocketing cases
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-07-uk-braced-daily-covid-cases.html

[David_Tepper]

The next policy update from the Scottish Government will likely come on July 13:

https://www.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus/when-is-nicola-sturgeons-next-update-will-scotlands-covid-restriction-easing-be-delayed-could-scotland-face-harsher-restrictions-and-how-can-i-watch-3255892

[Mark Chaplin]

The U.K. government today announced an upcoming relaxation of quarantine for returning residents from Amber countries (most of the world) but no change to quarantine rules for incoming visitors.

[Kalen Braley]

The U.K. government today announced an upcoming relaxation of quarantine for returning residents from Amber countries (most of the world) but no change to quarantine rules for incoming visitors.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/07/health/uk-opening-scientist-letter/index.html

[Mark Pearce]

The U.K. government today announced an upcoming relaxation of quarantine for returning residents from Amber countries (most of the world) but no change to quarantine rules for incoming visitors.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/07/health/uk-opening-scientist-letter/index.html

Indeed.  Our government appears to have given up even trying to manage the virus and is just going to test the effectiveness of the various vaccines by seeing how many die if we let the virus run riot.  I am actually quite frightened, for the first time since last Summer, before we knew vaccines would work.  If I didn't live here, I'd be giving the UK a very clear berth until next year, when we can see how this large scale experiment has played out.

[Mark Chaplin]

Mark - Kent and East Sussex has a population of around 2.4m we are averaging around 150 cases per 100k so roughly 3600 active Covid cases. There’s currently 15 people in hospital with Covid.

[John Kavanaugh]

The coverage of the Olympics won't be liberating. Damn, September is around the corner.

[Daryl David]

These will be rough waters for awhile as countries roll out vaccination. Some will look great, others bad depending on the speed and their individual suppression strategies. Regardless, in the end it will become apparent that we will be able to move on and manage this as we do every other infectious disease. The fear mongering will abate as will the crazy railing about freedoms.  We will reach equilibrium and you will be able to go to Scotland and Australia and New Zealand and Canada and the others that are currently afraid of you. It will just take sometime.


Meanwhile, there is some good golf in the EU. At least they will welcome you as a fully vaccinated traveler. 

[Mark Pearce]

Mark - Kent and East Sussex has a population of around 2.4m we are averaging around 150 cases per 100k so roughly 3600 active Covid cases. There’s currently 15 people in hospital with Covid.

Mark, lucky you.  The numbers are over 700 per 100k in the North East, and cases are doubling roughly every week across the country.  But I'm very happy for you in Kent.

[Tom_Doak]

We will reach equilibrium and you will be able to go to Scotland and Australia and New Zealand and Canada and the others that are currently afraid of you. It will just take sometime.

What is your definition of “equilibrium,” that every country will eventually be as screwed up as ours?


The UK is one of the most fully vaccinated countries on earth, trailing only Israel.  Both of them are now having distinct problems with the Delta variant.


One thing I will promise you is that the two week quarantine in New Zealand will continue for at least another year while they assess how effective other controls really are.

[Mark Chaplin]

Mark what are the hospitalisation figures in the north east? Young fit people aren’t getting ill with Covid and the vulnerable part of the population are double vaccinated thus hugely reducing the risk of serious illness.


Tom Australia and New Zealand have put themselves in a corner, until they vaccinate they are subject to flash lockdowns and isolation from the rest of the world.

[David_Tepper]

This could be the final straw:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-britain-idUSKBN2EP1TR

[Jay Mickle]

This could be the final straw:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-britain-idUSKBN2EP1TR

Now pleased that I signed up for the MidWest Mashie. I think?  Have done my part with 2X Jab.

[John Emerson]

This could be the final straw:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-britain-idUSKBN2EP1TR

David,
I thought of you when I saw this article in my Apple news feed.  This situation is getting worse by the day

[Joe_Tucholski]

This could be the final straw:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-britain-idUSKBN2EP1TR

David,
I thought of you when I saw this article in my Apple news feed.  This situation is getting worse by the day

Is it?  On 21 April the US state department put 80% of the world on it's level 4 do not travel list.  What did that really mean?


While safety for American's is a high priority for the state dept so is economic growth for America.  I figure these travel advisories aren't solely about covid risk.


Today was the first day vaccinated American's can travel to Ireland without a quarantine.  Canada just announced they will begin letting vaccinated American's in as well.

[John Kavanaugh]

The coverage of the Olympics won't be liberating. Damn, September is around the corner.

It gets worse by the hour.

[Jerry Kluger]

It appears that England has been very efficient at contact tracing which has caused large numbers of individuals to self quarantine.  It also appears that while cases in England have risen hospitalizations have not significantly increased so the vaccines are working. What comes next and when is ever changing so there is no definite answer when we will see travel open up between the US and the UK.  My fingers are crossed.

[mike_malone]

Ok the US doesn’t want me to go to the UK but does the UK want my vaccinated self?


  Just saw Buxton in season four of Unforgotten. It’s beautiful.


  Vaccinated people are good visitors. We take care of ourselves and care about others.


LET US IN!!!

[Mark Pearce]

Mark what are the hospitalisation figures in the north east? Young fit people aren’t getting ill with Covid and the vulnerable part of the population are double vaccinated thus hugely reducing the risk of serious illness.


Tom Australia and New Zealand have put themselves in a corner, until they vaccinate they are subject to flash lockdowns and isolation from the rest of the world.

Nationally hospitalisation rates are doubling every three weeks.  Most of those are your "young fit people".  If enough "young fit people" people get the delta variant that will continue.  Last week admission rates in the North East were 10.5 per day per 100,000.  The national rate was just under half that but still the highest since February.  The assumption that this doesn't make "young fit people" very unwell indeed, and indeed kill some of them, is lazy and dangerous.  For what it is worth, both I and one of my 22 year old sons have had it recently.  We are both fit, and people, but he is young and I am not.  He was substantially more ill than I was.   Two of his housemates had been double jabbed and had it, one sufficiently badly that the GP considered hospitalisation.  "Freedom Day" is dangerous and negligent, not least as it encourages behaviour that we had stopped to avoid transmission (people are shaking hands again, hugging is back on the agenda, all at a time when infection rates are higher than last March).


I want to be able to travel.  I have been training for months for a bike ride in France that has been postponed again because of Covid.  I want to be anxiety free eating and drinking out.  Abandoning common sense and surrendering to the virus in the way our global embarrassment of a government has decided to do makes that day further away, not closer.

[David Jones]

There is an article in this morning’s Times which has a couple of interesting lines in. Speculation, but the journalist who wrote it is usually pretty well informed. A couple of quotes -


‘Americans will be allowed to enter the UK and avoid quarantining if they produce vaccine cards proving they have been double-jabbed, as part of a drive to open up transatlantic travel’.


No time frame given though.


And this one -
‘Ministers are preparing to ease travel rules for expats returning to the UK from Sunday. UK citizens living overseas who have had both doses will no longer need to self isolate when they arrive from an amber/list country, such as the US’.


Needless to say nothing is certain but for those of you looking to travel to the UK this may give some hope!

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