News:

Welcome to the Golf Club Atlas Discussion Group!

Each user is approved by the Golf Club Atlas editorial staff. For any new inquiries, please contact us.


Ronald Montesano

  • Karma: +0/-0
Coming in 2024
~Elmira Country Club
~Soaring Eagles
~Bonavista
~Indian Hills
~Maybe some more!!

John Emerson

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Pfau Course at Indiana University
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2020, 09:49:30 PM »
Wow I had no idea this was built.  I know Ned Pfau and Fuzzy are close buddies so I guess he got it named after him because of a big donation and his association with Fuzzy?
“There’s links golf, then everything else.”

Nigel Islam

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Pfau Course at Indiana University
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2020, 01:28:07 AM »
The old course was not in the same league as most of the rest of the Big Ten. As the article says it was built in the 1950s, and was not really long enough for a Big 10 course. I’m sure the new course will be pretty challenging, Smyers usually sees to that.

John Blain

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Pfau Course at Indiana University
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2020, 11:35:34 AM »
"If you play within yourself, if you keep the ball in front of you, there is room to play golf."


What a novel concept!  Based on that Golf Week article the course sounds completely ridiculous just like most of what Smyers does.

John Kavanaugh

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Pfau Course at Indiana University
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2020, 11:51:39 AM »
As much as it pains me to point out that article was not written by staff at Golfweek. It is a homer piece by the IndyStar.

JLahrman

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Pfau Course at Indiana University
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2020, 04:11:00 PM »
The old course was not in the same league as most of the rest of the Big Ten. As the article says it was built in the 1950s, and was not really long enough for a Big 10 course. I’m sure the new course will be pretty challenging, Smyers usually sees to that.



All of that is true. However, the old course was also cheap and accessible for folks in Bloomington. I attended IU from 2001-2003 and played the course a bunch for not much money. Can't remember exactly how much, maybe $15 to walk? A town like Bloomington needs a place like that. I'm sure this one will be really snazzy for the Big Fourteen tournaments, but I hope it will still be affordable and playable for Bloomington residents and IU students.
« Last Edit: June 14, 2020, 09:36:24 PM by JLahrman »

Matt_Cohn

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Pfau Course at Indiana University
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2020, 07:17:37 PM »
I mean

Mark Smolens

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Pfau Course at Indiana University
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2020, 08:00:26 PM »
80.8/149? From the tips 4 par-4s over 500 yards? No, the ball doesn't go too far. . .

JLahrman

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Pfau Course at Indiana University
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2020, 09:18:00 PM »
80.8/149? From the tips 4 par-4s over 500 yards? No, the ball doesn't go too far. . .



Well that's what it takes to challenge the college lads these days.


But what do we think about a 132 slope on 6136 yard white tees? Am I going soft or is that sounding like a pretty penal course even if you're playing fairly short tees?

Carl Rogers

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Pfau Course at Indiana University
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2020, 10:53:15 PM »
The card does look tortuous.
I decline to accept the end of man. ... William Faulkner

John Kavanaugh

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Pfau Course at Indiana University
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2020, 11:16:18 PM »
Slopes aren’t that high for the yardages. It’s just another smoke show.

Nigel Islam

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Pfau Course at Indiana University
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2020, 09:55:18 AM »
The old course was not in the same league as most of the rest of the Big Ten. As the article says it was built in the 1950s, and was not really long enough for a Big 10 course. I’m sure the new course will be pretty challenging, Smyers usually sees to that.



All of that is true. However, the old course was also cheap and accessible for folks in Bloomington. I attended IU from 2001-2003 and played the course a bunch for not much money. Can't remember exactly how much, maybe $15 to walk? A town like Bloomington needs a place like that. I'm sure this one will be really snazzy for the Big Fourteen tournaments, but I hope it will still be affordable and playable for Bloomington residents and IU students.


Same here. I think it might have been less than $10 to walk with a student ID circa 1995. I remember playing the course on essentially the last day I lived in Bloomington. Can you imagine taking the 1 credit college golf course on this new (alleged) monster? I think it'd be enough to turn any novice to running instead.

David Wuthrich

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Pfau Course at Indiana University
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2020, 02:16:17 PM »
It is a nice new addition to golf in Indiana.

John Kavanaugh

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Pfau Course at Indiana University
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2020, 02:28:58 PM »
Are you saying that Indiana didn’t need another run down buck a hole goat track?

Buck Wolter

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Pfau Course at Indiana University
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2020, 02:54:58 PM »

$25 to walk after 3 for students, even the M-Th $40 rate has gone up less than anything else related to College.
Those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience -- CS Lewis

PCCraig

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Pfau Course at Indiana University
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2020, 04:26:43 PM »

$25 to walk after 3 for students, even the M-Th $40 rate has gone up less than anything else related to College.


$25 is a lot to a College student....still! That's like two 30 packs of Hamms!
H.P.S.

JLahrman

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Pfau Course at Indiana University
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2020, 05:17:38 PM »


$25 to walk after 3 for students, even the M-Th $40 rate has gone up less than anything else related to College.



Is that for the new course or the old? I saw $80 tee times on the course's website, but not sure how much it is for faculty, staff, and alumni.

Brian Ross

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Pfau Course at Indiana University
« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2020, 11:05:48 PM »
After getting chased off of my job site by a thunderstorm yesterday morning, I drove up to Bloomington where Steve was kind enough to give me a tour of the golf course after he finished his pre-opening day round with the project donors and VIPs.

Having never been to Bloomington, I was shocked by the site's topography. It's a beautiful, rolling property with an array of high points, ridges, and ravines/drainage channels that feed down into a forest preserve that encompasses the eastern boundary of the site. Early in the re-routing process, Steve identified several areas that he refers to as "power points" on the property. These were generally high spots with panoramic views out over the property and he clustered as many tees and greens on these points as possible, playing out and back to these points from many angles.

To my memory, there are perhaps only two instances where consecutive holes play parallel to one another and only one instance where consecutive holes play in the same direction. Steve did a good job or setting the course up so that the Blue and White tees are generally the tees closest to the previous green, with the Red and Black tees often requiring somewhat of a walk-back (of varying distance, but rarely extreme).

With 146 bunkers and only 46 acres of irrigated turf, there is no doubt that this will be a difficult golf course for the average-to-below average player and it will certainly be capable of testing the best players in the Big 10/NCAA. Still, there is only one instance on the golf course (the 18th) where the golfer is required to make a forced carry to a green and the 7,908 back tee yardage may as well be ignored as the course will almost never be set up to play that far back.

Aesthetically, it was as pleasing a golf course as I have been on in recent memory. This may have been aided by the near perfect conditions yesterday, mid-70s with a nice breeze. If I had to compare the course to others I have seen or played, I would say it is the love child of Bethpage Black and Ballyhack. I also know that Steve drew inspiration from Pine Valley on several holes/features.

I have no idea what the previous course was like, having only seen the aerial on Google Maps, but I have to think the new version is a massive upgrade to what was there and I would recommend for anyone to go out and see it if you're in the area.

Now, a few photos:

The green on the short par-4 5th Hole. A 275-yard drive will leave you with this delicate downhill pitch to a green that deceptively runs away from front-left to back-right.


Looking back toward the rumpled fairway from the green on the par-4 6th Hole. This was probably my favorite hole on the course and one of three bunkerless holes.


The green on the short par-4 10th Hole.


The tee shot on the par-4 16th Hole. Another favorite.


The green on the bunkerless par-3 17th Hole. This one is quite visually deceptive. While blind, yesterday's pin location on this green is actually at the front of the green while the visible portion to the right is the back of the green.


The approach to the par-4 18th Hole. While a forced carry is required here, this is a very large punchbowl-style green in the 10,000-11,000 SF range so it's not quite as difficult a shot as it looks from the fairway.


I would be happy to share additional photos or thoughts on other holes if anyone else has played/seen the course.
« Last Edit: June 15, 2020, 11:10:45 PM by Brian Ross »
Time is but the stream I go a-fishing in.

http://www.rossgolfarchitects.com

JLahrman

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Pfau Course at Indiana University
« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2020, 12:20:52 AM »

I have no idea what the previous course was like, having only seen the aerial on Google Maps, but I have to think the new version is a massive upgrade to what was there and I would recommend for anyone to go out and see it if you're in the area.

Brian, thanks for the photos and writeup. And it sounds like you got to see the area...most people would be surprised by how rolling Southern Indiana tends to be. I was still cool back when I was in graduate school at IU, and have great memories of blowing off dippy MBA mixer events to ride my motorcycle around Brown County.

It would not be difficult to improve upon the former course, it had a few decent holes but overall isn't anything that will be missed from an architectural perspective. However, knowing the clientele that played the course, I'm not sure Bloomington will be better served by this course. It's not going to be playable for most of the folks that used it, and I was also disappointed to learn that the par-3 course was lost in the process. But the course serves the university not the town, and I'm sure Mr. Smyers fulfilled the goal the university had for the course. The only other public option in Bloomington (unless something else has been built, which I doubt) is Cascades, which has even less going for it architecturally than the old IU course did. But it's a city-owned muni which I guess is for the locals.

Anyhow, look me up for a beer or a round of golf when you get back to Austin...and I'll do my best not to break into an acapella version of Big Yellow Taxi!
« Last Edit: June 16, 2020, 12:22:40 AM by JLahrman »

John Nixon

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Pfau Course at Indiana University
« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2020, 07:43:57 AM »
Although on paper the new design should play tougher than the old IU course, I wonder if that will actually be so. I played the old course once, a long time ago when I was even a worse player than I am now. I remember a lot of the holes being routed through tree-lined corridors that just ate my lunch with my inability to hit the ball very straight. Maybe the new course is open and wide enough to at least allow me the fantasy of thinking I have a better shot at advancing my ball forward.


Whatever the case, I doubt the old course will be missed by many.

JLahrman

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Pfau Course at Indiana University
« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2020, 08:01:55 AM »
Although on paper the new design should play tougher than the old IU course, I wonder if that will actually be so. I played the old course once, a long time ago when I was even a worse player than I am now. I remember a lot of the holes being routed through tree-lined corridors that just ate my lunch with my inability to hit the ball very straight. Maybe the new course is open and wide enough to at least allow me the fantasy of thinking I have a better shot at advancing my ball forward.

Whatever the case, I doubt the old course will be missed by many.



There were quite a few trees, but not the type of ball-eating native grass that I see in the photos. It was easy to have trees knocking down your shots but not nearly as easy to lose a bunch of balls as those photos suggest it will be at the new course. I'll be happy to try out the new course if I make it back to Bloomington though; it's possible that it's more playable than those photos make it appear.

Buck Wolter

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Pfau Course at Indiana University
« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2020, 08:41:21 AM »


$25 to walk after 3 for students, even the M-Th $40 rate has gone up less than anything else related to College.



Is that for the new course or the old? I saw $80 tee times on the course's website, but not sure how much it is for faculty, staff, and alumni.



https://thepfaucourse.com/rates/


My son was very close to going to IU for undergrad next fall-- we looked at the clubhouse/course on a very cold spring day and I was looking forward to playing the course. The student membership seems a little out of whack --can't imagine many takers for that but the $25 twilight walking rate is awesome.
Those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience -- CS Lewis

Nigel Islam

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Pfau Course at Indiana University
« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2020, 09:52:40 AM »
The original course did have a lot of trees and narrow corridors. Usually you could find your golf ball though. As a side note, the par 3 course that they pirated land from was actually pretty good.

Tim Gavrich

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Pfau Course at Indiana University
« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2020, 05:02:43 PM »
The ball-eating hay is relatively temporary, right? Thick at the beginning of its life and ultimately thins out over the coming years?


Course looks good to me, and well suited to its main purpose: to recruit and train Division I golfers and hold tournaments.
Senior Writer, GolfPass

John Kavanaugh

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: Pfau Course at Indiana University
« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2020, 08:34:44 AM »
I was wondering how students have enough free time to care about the cost of golf when it came to me. Indiana doesn’t offer engineering!!!

Tags:
Tags:

An Error Has Occurred!

Call to undefined function theme_linktree()
Back