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Bryan Izatt

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Prestwick Photo Tour
« on: May 28, 2020, 03:55:22 AM »

Last year, 2019, both pre- and post-BUDA I played at Prestwick.  They have a decent deal where if you play twice within a week, the average price of the two rounds is not too bad.  I've played Prestwick 10+ times over the years partly because of it's proximity to Glasgow airport that I fly into and out of and partly because it is wonderfully quirky course that doesn't appear to have changed much over the years.

Ran has his own description of the course in the Courses by Country section from seven years ago.  I wouldn't compete with that write-up.  He did have some remarkably good lighting for his photos that show off the sometimes bumptious nature of the linksland there.

I did come across the Project Gutenberg's The Golf Courses of the British Isles, by Bernard Darwin from 1910 and thought that you might enjoy reading it.


"Gullane is usually cited as the headquarters from which it is possible to play the largest number of rounds in one day, each round being on a different course, but it is by no means certain that the distinction which is thus given to East Lothian does not really belong to Prestwick and Troon. As one approaches Prestwick, the train seems to be voyaging through one endless and continuous golf course—Gailes, Barassie, Bogside—I write them down pell-mell as they come into my head—Prestwick, St. Nicholas, St. Cuthbert, Troon, and several more beside. Moreover, Troon “surprises by himself,” a prodigious assemblage of courses. There is the course proper, and there is the ‘relief’ course; there is another course, which may be termed the ‘super-relief’ course; and there are various practice grounds consecrated to women and children. The turf is something softer—at least in my imagination—than that of the East Coast courses, and the greens are wonderfully green and velvety, and looking as if they get plenty of rain, as in fact they do.

Of all this galaxy of courses, Prestwick is first and foremost. It is the original home of the Open Championship, one of the championship courses of to-day, and admittedly one of the best of them. A man is probably less likely to be contradicted in lauding Prestwick than in singing the praises of any other course in Christendom. There are probably more people who would put St. Andrews absolutely at the top of the tree, but, whereas nearly everyone would rank Prestwick in the first three, the Fifeshire course has a certain number of bitter enemies who rank it very low indeed. One might almost say that Prestwick has no enemies; everyone admires it, though, naturally, with slightly different degrees of enthusiasm. To say of a human being that he has no enemies is almost to insinuate that he is just a little bit colourless and insipid; but those adjectives have certainly no application to Prestwick, which has a very decided character of its own.

Nowhere is to be found a more beautiful stretch of what is called “natural golfing country.” The ordinary golfer, whose head is not too full of modern architectural ideas, would jump with joy on first beholding Prestwick. There is nothing subtle or recondite about it; it has a beauty which explains itself. There are the great sandhills bristling with bents and the little nestling valleys beyond them, a rushing burn and a stone wall, and it is perfectly clear that man was meant to hit the ball over them. All the ground on the near side of the wall, which is the ground of the old twelve-hole course, is of this glorious ‘natural’ character. “Hullo,” says the player, “here’s a hill: let’s drive over it.” Yet, although it is a little blind and has a measure of what Mr. Hutchinson has euphemistically termed “pleasurable uncertainty,” it is for the most part incontestibly fine golf. “Like Sandwich, only much better,” I have heard it described; but I dislike this slandering and backbiting at poor, dear Sandwich. In one respect, however, it may be permissible to make a comparison very much in favour of Prestwick, that is in the size of the greens. On both courses we hit the ball over a high hill, but whereas at Prestwick we must hit it straight, unless we wish to be left with the trickiest and hardest of little pitches, at Sandwich a far more than reasonably crooked shot may yet land the ball on the edge of a vast green, where a bang with the wooden putter will make up for our deficiencies.

When once the wall is crossed, and what was once called the new ground is reached, the character of the ground changes considerably. There are, it is true, two blind and mountainous tee-shots over the famous ‘Himalayas,’ but they appear rather esoteric than otherwise. The holes on the far side of the wall are in their nature essentially flat, and in one or two instances a little artificial. As one plays the eighth hole alongside the railway by Monkton Station, one cannot repress the feeling that one might as well have stayed inland. Well bunkered and difficult enough is that particular hole, and yet so utterly lacking in the least breath of the sea, and the fairway is just a smooth avenue mowed out of a big field. Still some others of these flattish holes—I shall come to them in their proper places—are undoubtedly very fine holes, and if anyone likes to say that they are in reality better golf than those within the wall, we may still respect his judgment and regard him as a man and brother. Equally we may form a low estimate of his appreciation of the beautiful and romantic, and remain perfectly steadfast in our own allegiance to the ‘Alps,’ the ‘Cardinal,’ and the ’Sea-He’therick.’

The first hole is so good that, as with the first at Hoylake, it is a pity that we have to play it while we are still, perhaps, a little stiff and nervous. The crime against which we have chiefly to be on our guard is that of slicing, for the railway runs along the entire length of the hole on the right-hand side, quite unpleasantly near us. We must not hook either, for rough country awaits the ball hit unduly far to the left, and, indeed, the shot is such a narrow one that there are some strong hitters who advocate the taking of a cleek from the tee. The second shot may be described on a calm day as a longish pitch, and there is a big bunker in front of the green, rough ground and a sandy road behind, the railway to the right, and tenacious undergrowth to the left. There is apt to be an engine snorting loudly on the other side of the wall just as we are playing a critical and curly putt, and the said putt is none the easier from the engine having liberally besprinkled the green with cinders. Altogether, we shall have done good work if we get a four, and what a hole to do in three, when it is the thirty-seventh, as did Mr. John Ball in his great final with Mr. Tait—as good a hole under the circumstances that I ever saw played in my life.

The second is quite one of the shortest of short holes on any first-class course, but it is not a bit easy, for a bunker behind the green has now been cut to reinforce the one in front, and the green is generally very keen.
The third is the ‘Cardinal,’ and has done a vast deal of mischief in its time. A topped brassey shot into the cavernous recesses of the bunker was generally thought to have cost Mr. Laidlay a championship when he played Mr. Peter Anderson; and, to come to more modern times, it was in this very same bunker that his supporters saw with horror the great Braid trying to throw away the championship in 1908 by playing a game of racquets against those ominous black boards. Yet, in the ordinary way, if we can but hit a reasonably straight tee-shot, we ought to send our second flying far over the Cardinal’s sandy nob and a good long way on towards the green. Then comes a delicate little pitch over some hummocky ground, or, if we are lucky, a running-up shot, and we find ourselves on a small green under the shadow of the wall, and should obtain a respectable five; a four is, as a rule, the score of heroes only.

At the fourth we cross the wall with a drive that varies in direction with our bravery and skill. If we are very brave, and very skilful, we shall hit a ball with a suspicion of a slice that shall keep close to the rushing waters of the burn, and shall be rewarded with an easy pitch, and haply a putt for three. If we do not trust ourselves, we shall give the burn a wide berth and pull far away to the left, where we should still get a four—but only by means of a longer and harder approach shot.

The fifth is the ‘Himalayas,’ a hole of great fame, but no transcendent merit. A good cleek shot should see us safely over this big hill and on to the green on the other side, which is now guarded by pot-bunkers. All these holes at Prestwick seem to have some tragedy connected with them, and the ‘Himalayas,’ in all human probability, lost Mr. Hilton his third Open Championship in 1898. Just one bad shot—he can hardly have played another during the four rounds: but he made this one fatal mistake with a club that was strange to him (he has told the sad story himself), and took eight to the hole. Yet he finished in the end but two strokes behind the winner, Harry Vardon, and at one time he had actually caught him in this terrible stern chase.

After the ‘Himalayas’ come several holes which do not, like the earlier and later holes, cry aloud for description. The sixth has a sufficiently difficult second on to a plateau green, and there is fierce punishment for the slicer among the bents. The seventh is a long short hole (this is such a convenient expression that it must pass), with rushes to catch a slice; and of the eighth, which runs alongside the railway, I have already said something.

The ninth and tenth are really fine two-shot holes; as far as length is concerned, there are none better on the course, and they are both thoroughly difficult into the bargain. The green at the ninth is especially attractive and difficult, consisting of a little hilly peninsula of turf that seems to jut out from a mainland of rough and bents. At the tenth we sidle along parallel with the range of ‘Himalayas,’ and at the eleventh we cross them with a drive—no cleek this time—for we have to carry as well the burn that runs beyond them. Then we turn our noses for home and make for the wall that we left behind us at the fourth hole. We shall need two full shots, and then a little chip on to a typical Prestwick green; long, narrow, and well guarded by lumps and bumps of various shapes and sizes. If, perchance, the wind is blowing very strongly behind us, we may try to carry the wall in two, and the ball will very likely light on the coping of the wall to bounce thence into unfathomable bents, while we are left lamenting our lack of contemptible prudence.
Now comes the ‘Sea He’therick’—a charming hole with a charming name, where the ball must be driven for the distance of two very full shots along a sort of gully or channel between the sand and bents on the right, and some rough and hillocky country to the left. There is a narrow little green, with odd corners and angles sticking out and well guarded by hummocks, so that if we do get a four we shall probably have to lay a singularly deft little pitch close to the hole. A drive over the ‘Goose-dubs’ brings us to a fairly ordinary fourteenth hole close to the club, and we turn back to play the last four, the famous loop.

The chief characteristic of the fifteenth is that no two persons are agreed on the best way of playing it. We may lash out for death or glory with a driver, or play short with the pusillanimous iron: we may go out to the right, or away to the left, but wherever we try to go we shall heave a sigh of relief if our ball finishes its agitating career upon a piece of turf. Neither is the second an easy shot, for the green is sloping and treacherous, and there are bunkers to right and left. At the sixteenth—the ‘Cardinal’s Back’—there is an insidious little pot-bunker in the middle of the course, and we must drive either to the right or left of it, or perhaps, wisest of all, aim straight at it in the sure and certain hope of a sufficient measure of inaccuracy.
Now we come to the ‘Alps,’ one of the finest holes anywhere, and the finest blind hole in all the world. The drive must be hit straight and true down a valley between two hills, and then comes the second, over a vast grassy hill, beyond which we know that there is a bunker both wide and deep. The ball may clear the hill and yet meet with a dreadful fate, but there is glorious compensation in the fact that if we do clear the chasm, we should be fairly near the hole, and may possibly be putting for a three. With no wind and a rubber-cored ball there is nothing very tremendous in the achievement, but nevertheless it is of the tremendous order of holes, and it takes a stout-hearted man to get a four there at all square and two to play. With a gutty ball it was really a fine long, slashing carry, and to play short was sometimes the better part of valour. Old Willy Park wrecked his chances of yet another championship here in 1861, owing, to quote the appropriately solemn words of the Ayrshire Express, to “a daring attempt to cross the Alps in two, which brought his ball into one of the worst hazards of the green, and cost him three strokes—by no means the first time he has been seriously punished for similar avarice and temerity.” It was in this bunker also that Mr. Tait played his ever-famous shot out of water, and Mr. Ball followed it with a superb niblick shot out of hard wet sand, which is not half as famous as it ought to be. Truly the ‘Alps’ is a hole with a great history.

After this the last hole is easy enough—a flat hole, just a little too long for the ordinary mortal to reach from the tee, save with a wind behind him. It can be reached, however, with a very fine shot, and I shall never forget the scene at the Open Championship in 1908, when Mr. Robert Andrew nearly holed it in one. It was in the qualifying competition, and Mr. Andrew, a strong local favourite and a truly magnificent player, had to do a two to equal Harry Vardon’s record for the course of 72. He struck a gorgeous blow, and the ball sailed away straight as a die, and finished absolutely stone dead. With one wild yell of joy the crowd broke away from the tee, and raced down the slope for the green, even as the British square dashed down the hill after the flying French guard at Waterloo. It was at once a most thrilling and amusing spectacle.

So ends Prestwick; and what a jolly course it is, to be sure! What a jolly place to play, too, for we shall probably have had it reasonably to ourselves. It shares with Muirfield, among the great Scottish courses, the merit of being the private property of the club, and that is a merit that grows greater every year. It is a beautiful spot, moreover, and we may look at views of Arran and Ailsa Craig and the Heads of Ayr if we can allow our attention to wander so far from the game.
Tradition and romance cluster thickly around Prestwick, for it was here that old Tom Morris came in 1851—a little while after he and Allan Robertson had had a difference of opinion about Tom having played with the gutty ball. Here he stayed fourteen years before returning once and for all to his beloved St. Andrews, and it was here that the immortal Young Tom was born and first swung a precocious club. Prestwick was the home of the championship belt, which was competed for there every year from 1860 to 1870, when it passed into the permanent possession of Young Tom, who had won it three times running. If by some potent magic one could summon up the past at will, there is no golfing picture that I should like to see so much as that of Tommy’s third win; 149 was his score for three rounds of the twelve-hole course, and he finished twelve strokes ahead of the two men who tied for second place. Whenever one is too much inclined to laud the golfers of the present to the detriment of those of the past, it is always a wholesome thing to remember that score of 149 round Prestwick. There must have been at least one very great golfer in those days."



The course can stretch to 6908 yards to  a par of 71 and I'd imagine that it is a beast for most of us from back there since the site is usually windy.  The white tees were 6551 yards and the blue tees were 5973 and enough of a challenge for me.


From the patio in front of the clubhouse here is a panoramic view of the wall and train station on the right and swing around to the left toward the small putting green, the 18th green, the 15 tee heading away, and the 14th fairway coming in from the very left.  The course is very compact around the clubhouse.



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Tony_Muldoon

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Re: Prestwick Photo Tour
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2020, 04:39:17 AM »
Brian I look forward to your pictures and thanks for the Darwin words.  It seems the appeal and charm of he course endures and that feeling contributes hugely to our mutual affection.  It is the most timeless of Golf experiences.

It's early days to be sidetracking a thread,  but Darwin also mentions the myriad of other local courses that look so appealing as you drive by.  It's not that they have a poor reputation on here, it's that nobody seems to have played them? 
Let's make GCA grate again!

Niall C

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« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2020, 07:20:23 AM »
Well Tony, you've played a few of them and I think I've played all the ones he mentions.

Just to be absolutely pedantic about the "head" count the scores are as follows;

Prestwick - 4 courses apologies, 3 courses

Troon - 6.5 courses

Irvine - 5 courses

The half for Troon is accounted for by Barassie which has 27 holes. I've also included Dundonald in the Troon camp as they have Troon in their address although I tend to think that's an attempt at grandeur on their part as they are as close to Irvine town centre as Western and they definitely identify themselves as an Irvine golf course.

Incidentally, all of the above bar 1 are links.

Bryan

Thanks for the Darwin quote, always a pleasure to read a bit of Bernardo. Looking forward to the tour.

Niall
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Bryan Izatt

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« Reply #3 on: May 28, 2020, 01:03:42 PM »

Hole # 1 Railway 322 Yards

The drive is a layup to an indeterminate fairway.  The railway is definitely in play.  Click through to larger versions of the pictures.



The further left and safer off the tee, the more blind and intimidating the second shot with the wall and railway lurking to the right and long.



The green from the left side - lots of contour and a hidden pot bunker.




Bryan Izatt

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« Reply #4 on: May 28, 2020, 01:14:06 PM »

Hole # 2 Tunnel 140 Yards

I'm not sure why it's called tunnel?  The second is a short par 3 from a tee atop a small dune to a bit of a plateau green.  The green is surrounded by deep pot bunkers.  The 6th and 7th holes are in the distance.






Bryan Izatt

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« Reply #5 on: May 28, 2020, 01:41:25 PM »

Hole # 3 Cardinal 449 Yards

The Cardinal is the first of many iconic holes at Prestwick.  It must be among the more difficult short par 5's I have ever played.  Getting over the ridge on the second shot seems to be just out of my grasp, but it sits there so invitingly tempting you to give it a go, and there is really no place to lay up.  The hole turns sharply right after the ridge and the shot over the ridge is completely blind unless you are on the far right edge of the fairway.

The back tees play a healthy 533 yards, often into the wind off the tee.  Regardless of tee the hole suggests you want to drive left to keep away from the burn, but the ideal line hugs the burn as the green is sharply right.  The sleepers define the hole with a huge bunker at their base and the 16th green and 17 tee (Alps) on top to the left.  The burn was running high and fast this day.



Here is a view from the far right.  The green is to the right and beyond where the angles down.  A long and daunting second shot from wherever your drive lands.



Once over the ridge you are faced with some of the most tumultuous small dunes anywhere with the small green nestled in the humps and bumps.  With no real background the green site plays with your depth perception.  Trying to run a shot in is a crap shoot.





 


Bill Crane

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« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2020, 01:55:20 PM »
More !  Can't wait to see the rest.
I miss it already.  Been several times with my son - we were there last September.   Have managed to meet some Members from Canada, US and UK.
Thank you in advance for taking the time to post, and a great idea to include the quote from Bernard Darwin for the introduction as well.
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Peter Flory

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« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2020, 04:44:59 PM »
I absolutely love that first hole.  I was playing a bit of a hook on the trip when we played it, and I had to start a hybrid over the wall and trust it to come back.  Was a little nerve racking, but that and many other shots from the round stick in my memory.  I really want to go back someday and play it with hickories.  It's pretty much the ideal course for that. 

Thomas Dai

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« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2020, 04:51:55 PM »
Looking forward to the rest of this tour.
In his opening post Bryan refers to Rans Course Profile piece - https://golfclubatlas.com/courses-by-country/scotland/prestwick-golf-club/ - which contains one sentence that is a hoot, namely ... “ An ..... visitor once inquired why they had built the course so close to the airport. The polite member only rolled his eyes.“
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Bryan Izatt

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« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2020, 07:11:00 PM »

Hole #4 Bridge 329 Yards

The 4th going out and the 12th coming in share a gently sloping valley between the large sea dune and the Pow Burn that defines the right side of the 4th hole.  On the 4th you tend to drive out to the left away from the burn towards the 12th fairway.  Conversely, on the 12th you aim left towards the 4th fairway.  Often the groups going in opposite directions meet in the middle.

The land is generally uninteresting and relatively flat on the 4th.  It is a nondescript short par 4 that curves around right along a bend in the burn.  The only strategy really is to avoid the burn and the two fairway bunkers, one  on the inside of the turning point and one on the outside corner.





From near the right bunker you can see that the land does not drain well after a rain event.  The burn is running high and the other side of the burn is a bit of a bog.  The green just lays on the land sloping from left to right with a bunker to protect an approach from those who go too far left off the tee.  The 10th fairway crosses from right to left in the background.





More standing water in the fairway with the bridge to the Himalayas to the right.





Bryan Izatt

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« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2020, 03:06:33 AM »

Hole # 5 Himalayas 181 Yards

The 5th is another one of the iconic holes at Prestwick.  It is a long par 3 playing blind up and over a substantial (30 - 35 feet high) ridge.  This hole will not appeal to those who like their challenges laid out in front of them and want to take dead aim at a pin.  Despite the alignment markings on the wall and a pin board on the tee box, picking a line cannot be very precise here.

From the tee you are faced with having to hit a long and high shot.  Low or short is dead. The second picture is looking back down to the tee from the top of the ridge.








At the top of the ridge you can see that the green is set back quite a bit from the ridge, so the carry up the hill needs not be the full length of the hole.  Shorter shots will enjoy a kick down the slope from the back of the dune to the front of the green.  The scruffy grounds there do not guarantee a favourable bounce.  The green is protected left and right front by pot bunkers and hidden are four more pots on the left of the green.  The green is quite long and tilts back to front and right to left so is receptive to a high cut shot if you can get the proper line off the tee.  The 9th green is close by on the left.  The large aiming pole is for the 9th and might mislead if you see it from the 5th tee.  And, of course, at the back of the green is the requisite bell when clearing the blind green.








Bryan Izatt

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« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2020, 03:32:12 AM »

Hole # 6 Elysian Fields 340 Yards

Holes 6 through 9 play on the upper level on what is not really bumpy linksland and therefore less interesting.  The 6th and the 9th play generally southward and into the wind while the 7th and 8th play to the north and are generally with the wind.  The holes themselves are good and challenging holes with some elevation change.

From the tee the 6th looks wide open, hence being called Elysian Fields, with a trio of fairway pot bunkers to be avoided.  The hole bends a bit to the right with the red flag peeking above a ridge intruding from a dune on the right.  A drive down the left is a good idea to open up the approach shot.





The meat of the hole is the approach shot.  Running a ball in is very difficult with the nose of the dune blocking the right side of the green and a pot bunker built in to the nose at the top right.  Flying the ball in can be difficult as there are steep drop offs to the left and the back of the green.  The green itself is fairly mundane.  This is a subtlety difficult hole.  Here is the look from the left side of the fairway with the Cardinal sleepers and the 16th green in the distance.





Bryan Izatt

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« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2020, 04:00:58 AM »

Hole # 7 Monkton Miln 396 Yards

The 7th is a long par 4, made longer by being substantially uphill with ten bunkers to contend with.  A new way back tee has been added and clocks in at 484 yards for those who want a distance challenge.  Unfortunately the tee, built on the more boggy ground was inaccessible on the wet day due to a moat around it.  Perhaps an elevated path is called for.




The tee shot is substantially uphill.  A couple of the bunkers left and right are peaking up and should be avoided.  The hole bends a bit to the left with the green located below the peak of the white building in the distance.





As you get further up the fairway you can see the challenges that await on the second shot.  The hole is still going uphill. There is a large wide pot in the middle of the fairway that toys with your depth perception as it is 50 yards short of the green.  There's a huge and deep bunker on the left and two smaller but deep bunkers on the right if you have the length to reach the green in two.   The green is quite large but severely tilted.





From short right of the green you can see the enormous back to front and left to right tilt of the green with undulations within that.  Also you can see how the bunkers will collect misdirected shot while the left bunker is so deep it requires a ladder entrance and exit.  This is a strong competitive golf hole.





Mark Pearce

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« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2020, 05:48:48 AM »
I was due to be at Prestwick with friends early in April.  This thread is making me very sad.  One of my absolute favourites.
In June I will be riding the first three stages of this year's Tour de France route for charity.  630km (394 miles) in three days, with 7800m (25,600 feet) of climbing for the William Wates Memorial Trust (https://rideleloop.org/the-charity/) which supports underprivileged young people.

John Mayhugh

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« Reply #14 on: May 29, 2020, 08:13:57 AM »
What a jolly place to play indeed. A favorite.

Thanks for the photos. Glad you managed to avoid what must have been a lot of rain.

Tommy Williamsen

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« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2020, 12:38:30 PM »
Thanks for the tour. I was not scheduled to play the course on my trip to Scotland but .went to the course just to drink in the history. When I got there I changed my mind and was allowed to play. I'm glad I did.
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Pete_Pittock

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« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2020, 07:34:09 PM »
    The last few trips to Scotland I decided to play Prestwick as the last course (and fly out of Glasgow). I wanted her to be my freshest memory. Also the kummel. Would get the day membership, 36 with lunch.
    Caught this thread at a great time as am curating my photos and trying to identify which hole on which course (from 45 years ago)

Bryan Izatt

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« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2020, 03:29:15 AM »

Hole #8 End 426 Yards

The 8th is a long par 4 that bends ever so subtlety to the left.  It's called the End because it is the northern end of the course not to mention that it's very near the end of Prestwick Airport's runway.  Just over the dune past the green is the requisite caravan holiday park, and beyond that the southern end of Royal Troon. 

From the tee there are the routine fairway bunkers left and right.  The landing zone is a bit blind since the fairway drops gently down to the green after the fairway bunkers.  It certainly looks wide open.  One nice feature is aiming sticks in the rough that help you get a line if you should happen to miss the fairway.  The green rises a bit up the dune ending the property so is visible, if you have really good eyes, from the tee looking over the forward tee and just left of the red building.





From the crest of the hill the green sits invitingly for the long second shot.  It looks very receptive as it is tilted significant toward the player.  Again, there ar ebunkers protecting the green on the left and right.





The tilt of the green along with the usual penal pot bunker is more evident from the left side.  This green could never handle high stimp readings. 





Bryan Izatt

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« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2020, 04:08:45 AM »

Hole # 9 Eglinton 415 Yards

Perhaps this hole was named after Eglinton Castle, home of the Earl of Eglinton, located just north of the course and Irvine.  The 9th is another in a string of stout par 4's at 415 yards.  It plays generally into the wind and goes up and over a low ridge while bending right towards the 5th Himalayas green.

From the tee, it looks like the large bunker on the right is inviting you to take it on and although it is not an unreasonable carry, it is into the wind and any miss to the right can lead to a problematic lie or even a lost ball.  There is a steep little rise angling across the fairway that can kill a drive if you hit into it.





From the right side of the fairway fairly far down, the aiming pole is obvious and the red flag is just poking above the edge of the ridge to the left of the post.  The other red flag to the right is the 5th hole.  The second is a fun blind shot where you anticipate clearing the ridge and see where your ball tumbled to.





The green is protected left and right by a pair of bunkers each and there are bunkers at the back separating the 9th and 5th greens.  The green runs away significantly from the player from front left to the back right.  This is another strong, if not dramatic, golf hole.  I'm beginning to like the holes up on top more and more.



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Niall C

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« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2020, 05:18:38 AM »
Excellent stuff. Pretty sure the 9th is named after the man himself rather than any building. The Earl of Eglinton was a founding member of the club and I think the first or second Captain.


Looking at those holes "across the water" I can't help thinking that if the bunkering had a bit more character, nothing dramatic but certainly a bit more visible, and perhaps more strategically placed those stretch of holes wouldn't be maligned so much.


Niall

Niall C

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Re: Prestwick Photo Tour
« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2020, 05:21:12 AM »
Further to my previous post, here's a question for the conservationists, would you consider tweaking some of these holes (6 to 9) or would you consider that as a whole the course should be left alone ?


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Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Prestwick Photo Tour
« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2020, 06:30:19 AM »
Despite many changes in the early years, Prestwick is one of those courses that I would leave alone, Niall.


After all, it doesn’t need the “championship” treatment anymore. I quite like that stretch from 6 to 9, at least the routing and the greens. If anything were to be done, it might be repositioning a few bunkers as you state. But is there really a need?

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Re: Prestwick Photo Tour
« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2020, 08:35:11 AM »
Ally


I suppose the strict answer to your question is no but then was there really a need to improve on the Model T Ford ? And to clarify, yes, I was referring to keeping the basic routing of 6-9 although again I think a case could readily be made for making tweaks there as well, but I digress slightly.


As you know in the normal course of events over a period of time the odd bunker will be added and another filled in, as well as bunkers rebuilt, work that is usually quickly forgotten about by many of the members. Work like that is often conceived and carried out by the Green committee/greenkeeper, and in the case of the repair/renewal work, work that is going to get done anyway. If that is the case, would it not be better to have an architect come and advise and take advantage of that fact ?


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Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Prestwick Photo Tour
« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2020, 08:51:09 AM »
Ally


I suppose the strict answer to your question is no but then was there really a need to improve on the Model T Ford ? And to clarify, yes, I was referring to keeping the basic routing of 6-9 although again I think a case could readily be made for making tweaks there as well, but I digress slightly.


As you know in the normal course of events over a period of time the odd bunker will be added and another filled in, as well as bunkers rebuilt, work that is usually quickly forgotten about by many of the members. Work like that is often conceived and carried out by the Green committee/greenkeeper, and in the case of the repair/renewal work, work that is going to get done anyway. If that is the case, would it not be better to have an architect come and advise and take advantage of that fact ?


Niall


Yes Niall - I agree that a consulting architect is best at every club, to try and keep consistency over 5 / 10 years and to stop what can often be misplaced in-house ideas.


This would usually take the form of one visit and report per year, often advising on small tweaks to mowing lines, visuals etc... maybe very occasionally a repositioned bunker, sometimes assisting on the rebuilding of existing bunkers ONLY when they need rebuilt due to lifecycle.


But most clubs (and architects) don’t seem to follow that eminently sensible line of attack. Far more often, we see clubs call in an architect on a one-off to recommend wholesale changes, not tiny subtle ones.

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Re: Prestwick Photo Tour
« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2020, 09:56:48 AM »
Ally


I'm conscious that we're going off at a tangent in terms of what this thread is about but I think Prestwick is actually a good example to discuss in terms of whether a classic old links should be upgraded/improved/tweaked, feel free to use whatever word you like.


If I can summarise your argument which seems to be that on a point of principle there shouldn't be any changes to classic courses other than, for example, that needed by renewal of bunkering. What if the clubs themselves identify a particular hole/feature or whatever that could be better, and you know it could be better, would you still stand on your principles and tell them not to change it ? I appreciate that we are getting into that grey area.


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