[PCCraig]

Don't hide behind lists.  Let me know where you stand on the courses you list.

I think Mammoth Dunes is pure eye candy. It has a decent set of par-3's, but the negatives outweigh the positives. The fairways are so wide you would think there would be strategic interest in going a certain direction, but there is not. And the putting surfaces were built with zero imagination.

Pat, I respectfully disagree and I only need to go to the first three holes to make my point.

Hole 1. Hit speed slot on high right hill of FW and ball releases down to where the green is just open for you with a wedge in your hand, take the low road left and you have 2-3 more clubs in.

Ian,


Except it doesn't matter. 2-3 extra clubs into the 1st green doesn't really make a difference as it's a giant flat oval.

[Tim_Weiman]

Pete,
I think non-GCA types thing KC is a bit tricked up and unfair. I hear bifurcated opinions of either love or hate.
Perhaps not here, tho.


As for CK...to me, it falls into the Old Head category: amazing piece of property but too bad they built THAT there.
Caveat: never played it but my best friend has repeatedly and I trust his view.

Ian,


I played Cape Kidnappers during Tom’s Renaissance Cup event and am curious [size=78%]as to exactly what your friends criticism of CK is? [/size]

FYI, I have also played Old Head and get the “8th Wonder”. comparison, but Old Head and CK are very different golf courses with the latter far better, IMO.

P.S. CK has a version of the Road Hole that I would be happy to play all afternoon to see if I could ever actually master it.

[Kalen Braley]

In general Jim Engh courses often have same effect in terms of love/hate kind of thing...

I've played a good handful of Engh courses around CO and I like them.  I find a few holes here and there to be brutal (there's a couple at Fossil Trace, a nutty long par three at Pradera, etc.), but I generally think it's avant-garde and fun.


Engh does seem to be very forgiving to shots that are just offline, but very penal to those way off-line.  Makes for very low scores for good players, and very high scores for high-handicap players.  That's been my experience.

Brad,

I'm in a similar boat...I absolutely loved Black Rock and very much enjoyed Red Mesa, Sanctuary, and Lakota Canyon.

I know he gets criticized for overusing his own templates, but when compared in the aggregate to other courses its pretty unique stuff, especially a hole like #11 at Black Rock.  Then again I've always loved quirk and Jim uses it plenty enough...

[Tommy Williamsen]

If more of you ever played Ballyhack, Roanoke, VA, it would be on the list.  Every shot is a potential card recker, w/ no recovery options & lots of time looking for balls.
Visually stunning.

Carl, you need to get back. Our new super is cutting the rough repeatedly. You can find most wayward shots now.

[John Connolly]

None here would admit as much, but amongst the great unwashed, the Old Course at St. Andrews draws sharply divergent opinions.

[Bill Shamleffer]

Bellerive.  Some (especially those who play top level competitive golf), like it for the challenges it presents.  Others find it a bland course that is only hard, but lacks fine strategy or any fun.

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