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Greg Smith

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Which American clubs will celebrate a bicentennial?
« on: June 18, 2019, 01:30:59 PM »
In 2019, many Golden Age golf clubs are inching toward a centenary celebration.  Many pre-Golden Age clubs have already passed that.  Which of these have the gravitas to reach 200 years?

In the UK, a golf club with 200-year longevity is not a completely foreign idea.   I suspect that even if the game declines and becomes extinct worldwide, TOC will be the last bastion just as it was the first root.

But in America things have been different.  It's a younger nation.  Is the game more "artificially sustained" in America -- less "holistic"?   Will this affect the longevity of clubs?   Which clubs will survive?

What will Merion look like in 2096?  CPC in 2128?  Does the overall state of the nation during the next century rule the state of the game?  Or are the bastions of golf "insulated" enough to maintain their own history?

What about great golf courses that aren't clubs?   Pebble Beach will be around in 2029.  What about 2129?  Will the coastline be eaten up?  Can the Pebble Beach Company afford to maintain it?  How about a place like Pinehurst reaching the 200-year mark?  The Greenbrier/Old White?

Give us some thoughts on these many subjects/scenarios.  Except for the unusual Pebble/Pinehurst, etc., I'm talking about CLUBS surviving.  Many old clubs (Shinnecock for example) are presently playing on new(er) digs.  That's legal for purposes of my questions.... imagine if LACC had to relocate down the road because the world's most expensive real estate was just too valuable.

Let's have a go at this subject -- tell us what the American game will look like.  Your answer might even be the apocalyptic view that NONE of the clubs will survive.  If so, tell us what the hypothetical endgame would be.
O fools!  who drudge from morn til night
And dream your way of life is wise,
Come hither!  prove a happier plight,
The golfer lives in Paradise!                      

John Somerville, The Ballade of the Links at Rye (1898)

Wayne_Kozun

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Re: Which American clubs will celebrate a bicentennial?
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2019, 01:36:28 PM »
In 2019, many Golden Age golf clubs are inching toward a centenary celebration.  Many pre-Golden Age clubs have already passed that.  Which of these have the gravitas to reach 200 years?

In the UK, a golf club with 200-year longevity is not a completely foreign idea.
Is this really the case?  I thought that there were only a handful of clubs outside of Scotland until around 1850.  Royal Blackheath was founded in 1766 and Old Manchester in 1818.  Are there other courses outside of Scotland that are 200 years old?  And that is clubs, not necessarily courses.

Greg Smith

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Re: Which American clubs will celebrate a bicentennial?
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2019, 01:48:10 PM »
Well, I said "not a completely foreign idea" -- meaning there sure aren't many, but there ARE a few.  And the UK does include Scotland.... for the moment.

Royal Calcutta is (I think) the oldest club on the "outside" -- and I think the date is 1857 IIRC.  So if they make it to 2057 (sounds possible), there's a non-UK candidate.
O fools!  who drudge from morn til night
And dream your way of life is wise,
Come hither!  prove a happier plight,
The golfer lives in Paradise!                      

John Somerville, The Ballade of the Links at Rye (1898)

Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Which American clubs will celebrate a bicentennial?
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2019, 02:21:27 PM »
Royal Curragh is the oldest in Ireland - 1858.

V. Kmetz

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Re: Which American clubs will celebrate a bicentennial?
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2019, 03:14:16 PM »
I personally don't have an answer to the question, but if I was charged with making an answer, I'd look at top/famous courses/clubs that NLExist...if there was a GD Top 200 list from 1930... which aren't around anymore or went through a wholesale change of a sort?


My thumbnail of it is that the long-surviving clubs of today will be around 100 more years from now, perhaps a few will flake off but they will mostly be replaced by the new classics of a later era...the Sand Hills, the Friars Heads, the Streamsongs of 10/20 years from now will be right there to capture the handful of 100 year clubs/courses that don't make 200.



"The tee shot must first be hit straight and long between a vast bunker on the left which whispers 'slice' in the player's ear, and a wilderness on the right which induces a hurried hook." -

Kalen Braley

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Re: Which American clubs will celebrate a bicentennial?
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2019, 03:17:30 PM »
I'm guessing HMB won't even hit their 100 year if they keep this up...


https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/14/us/ritz-carlton-beach-access-fine-trnd/

Robert Mercer Deruntz

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Re: Which American clubs will celebrate a bicentennial?
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2019, 10:59:40 PM »
The Philadelphia Cricket Club was founded in 1854

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