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Marty Bonnar

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Sadness in St Andrews
« on: November 28, 2018, 06:06:42 PM »
Honestly, words fail me. I can't even begin to comprehend the decision making process behind this. Well, of course I can. Simple economics. Brand conquers all.

 :'(
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Michael Whitaker

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Re: Sadness in St Andrews
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2018, 06:28:19 PM »
Is this the former location of the Old Tom Morris shop?
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Jon Wiggett

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Re: Sadness in St Andrews
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2018, 06:30:09 PM »
Yes, very sad but it is what happens when an organisation believes it is bigger than the history which led to the present day. I am hoping this is still a bit of residual ego left behind by a certain Mr. Dawson and that the new leadership will be able to rain themselves in.
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Michael Whitaker

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Re: Sadness in St Andrews
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2018, 06:30:34 PM »
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Kalen Braley

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Re: Sadness in St Andrews
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2018, 07:07:28 PM »
Perhaps it was just about optics for tourists, specifically Yanks.


I know i would think a golf shop labeled Old Tom Morris would be touristy/gimmicky over one advertising Open swag....even if it actually wasn't
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James Brown

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Re: Sadness in St Andrews
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2018, 07:25:05 PM »
The window writing says “This is the one... where it all began.”
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Rich Goodale

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Re: Sadness in St Andrews
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2018, 08:23:49 PM »
St. Andrews has morphed into Disney Golf, or as we in Fife would say, "Disnay Gowf anymore."  It's still a great place to visit for a lunch and a bit of shopping, but vis a vis golf, only a quick 11-13 holes on the Eden in the gloaming is interesting to an afficionado.....
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Lou_Duran

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Re: Sadness in St Andrews
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2018, 08:35:19 PM »
Quote from: Rich Goodale on November 28, 2018, 08:23:49 PM
St. Andrews has morphed into Disney Golf, or as we in Fife would say, "Disnay Gowf anymore."  It's still a great place to visit for a lunch and a bit of shopping, but vis a vis golf, only a quick 11-13 holes on the Eden in the gloaming is interesting to an afficionado.....


What I would give to score an annual pass and play in the evenings after the well heeled riff-raff have made the turn.
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JC Jones

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Re: Sadness in St Andrews
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2018, 08:40:19 PM »
This thread is the height of hipster snobbery.
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I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.

John Kavanaugh

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Re: Sadness in St Andrews
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2018, 08:44:58 PM »
I thought the old lady who waved to me out the upstairs apartment had died. Perhaps her family simply cashed in.
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jeffwarne

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Re: Sadness in St Andrews
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2018, 08:56:56 PM »
Quote from: Lou_Duran on November 28, 2018, 08:35:19 PM
Quote from: Rich Goodale on November 28, 2018, 08:23:49 PM
St. Andrews has morphed into Disney Golf, or as we in Fife would say, "Disnay Gowf anymore."  It's still a great place to visit for a lunch and a bit of shopping, but vis a vis golf, only a quick 11-13 holes on the Eden in the gloaming is interesting to an afficionado.....


What I would give to score an annual pass and play in the evenings after the well heeled riff-raff have made the turn.


If you're talking TOC, I'm pretty sure sure the first tee shuts down and is booked until then
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JC Jones

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Re: Sadness in St Andrews
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2018, 08:58:02 PM »
Was she waiving Hi or Goodbye?
« Last Edit: November 28, 2018, 09:00:18 PM by JC Jones »
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I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.

Mark Chaplin

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Re: Sadness in St Andrews
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2018, 11:53:37 PM »
Maybe the old shop wasn’t making money and the new one is. Plus there’s a magnificent museum not more than 100 yards away.
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Marty Bonnar

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Re: Sadness in St Andrews
« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2018, 06:11:12 AM »
It’s only been a few years since the Links Trust revamped the shop amongst great heraldry along with a new line of OTM-branded clothes and other golf-related products.
Clearly, they didn’t sell as well as they expected and appear to have been quietly dumped in favour of this anodyne ‘The Open’-branded stuff.
Being a fine canny Scot, of course I understand a profit-motive, but I’m still deeply saddened at how little regard they have shown to this iconic, historic property and the legacy of Old Tom and the Morrises in general.
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Blake Conant

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Re: Sadness in St Andrews
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2018, 08:12:16 AM »
Minging apparel in there, mind.
« Last Edit: November 29, 2018, 08:20:28 AM by Blake Conant »
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Ed Brzezowski

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Re: Sadness in St Andrews
« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2018, 09:05:24 AM »
Quote from: Kalen Braley on November 28, 2018, 07:07:28 PM
Perhaps it was just about optics for tourists, specifically Yanks.


I know i would think a golf shop labeled Old Tom Morris would be touristy/gimmicky over one advertising Open swag....even if it actually wasn't


OPTICS, what a bullshit word and theory. Always seems to be in play when moronic decisions are made.

ed
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Peter Pallotta

Re: Sadness in St Andrews
« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2018, 09:36:17 AM »
On a bit of a happier note:
I scrolled across the photo and found myself resting in the lovely, warming 'human' scale of it all -- rows of tightly-knit 3 story walk-ups, right up against the narrow streets of a compact and walk-able town, with nary a soaring stick box of a bank tower to be seen, and with church steeples & centuries old university buildings setting the tone instead of the sprawling shopping malls set a mile back from the jam-packed eight lane motorways dotted with drive-through take-out restaurants that characterize huge swaths of the modern day North American landscape.
As long as you can keep *that* Marty, I think you can consider yourself blessed -- especially since I'm told there are several good golf courses right there at the doorstep, right within short walking distance. Like my mentor in such things, Sean A, I've come to believe that 'greatness is over-rated'; several good golf courses is more than good enough for any good man (or woman).
Peter
« Last Edit: November 29, 2018, 10:03:55 AM by Peter Pallotta »
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Mike Hendren

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Re: Sadness in St Andrews
« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2018, 09:58:15 AM »


Barney, this lady?

« Last Edit: November 29, 2018, 10:00:33 AM by Michael H »
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: Sadness in St Andrews
« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2018, 10:13:18 AM »
That was her.
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Mark Pearce

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Re: Sadness in St Andrews
« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2018, 10:50:10 AM »
Quote from: JC Jones on November 28, 2018, 08:40:19 PM
This thread is the height of hipster snobbery.
It is almost the exact opposite.  Still, it's been a while since you posted something controversial and pointless just for the hell of it.
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: Sadness in St Andrews
« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2018, 11:09:48 AM »
Melvyn made the papers:


https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/fife/628946/descendant-of-old-tom-morris-says-st-andrews-golf-shop-rebranding-is-an-insult/


Melvyn can take solace in the fact that I didn't purchase any swag while in St. Andrews. I found the entire presentation confusing and disturbing. I did however buy a fine headcover on eBay about a year later.
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Mike_Young

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Re: Sadness in St Andrews
« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2018, 11:23:16 AM »
Quote from: Jon Wiggett on November 28, 2018, 06:30:09 PM
Yes, very sad but it is what happens when an organisation believes it is bigger than the history which led to the present day. I am hoping this is still a bit of residual ego left behind by a certain Mr. Dawson and that the new leadership will be able to rain themselves in.
All golf associations think they are bigger than the members...Georgia just spent 25 mill to mess with a public course in ATL and compete with its membership instead of trying to. put that kind of $$$ into kids across the state...I say auto unions will one day have their own manufacturing...no different...
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Kalen Braley

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Re: Sadness in St Andrews
« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2018, 11:33:46 AM »
Quote from: Ed Brzezowski on November 29, 2018, 09:05:24 AM
Quote from: Kalen Braley on November 28, 2018, 07:07:28 PM
Perhaps it was just about optics for tourists, specifically Yanks.


I know i would think a golf shop labeled Old Tom Morris would be touristy/gimmicky over one advertising Open swag....even if it actually wasn't


OPTICS, what a bullshit word and theory. Always seems to be in play when moronic decisions are made.

ed


Ed,

Optics, perception, impression....all the same thing.

P.S. If the OTM shop was losing money, seems too good of a location to not make better use of....
« Last Edit: November 29, 2018, 11:35:22 AM by Kalen Braley »
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Peter Sayegh

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Re: Sadness in St Andrews
« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2018, 12:07:33 PM »
OPTICS, what a bullshit word and theory. Always seems to be in play when moronic decisions are made.
Thank you Ed
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: Sadness in St Andrews
« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2018, 12:09:38 PM »
Someone got paid for this and someone didn't.
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