[Rob Marshall]

Anyone know what the status of the renovation is at the old Ross Belleview Biltmore golf course in Clearwater? I haven’t had any luck getting any information.

[Kyle Harris]

Anyone know what the status of the renovation is at the old Ross Belleview Biltmore golf course in Clearwater? I haven’t had any luck getting any information.

Presumably wrapping up the grow-in. Social media has been rather quiet about it.

[Anthony_Nysse]

Anyone know what the status of the renovation is at the old Ross Belleview Biltmore golf course in Clearwater? I haven’t had any luck getting any information.

Presumably wrapping up the grow-in. Social media has been rather quiet about it.

Using Latitude 36 grass. Beau Welling design. I think is supposed to be call The Pelican of Pelican Club.


http://www.golfcoursearchitecture.net/content/golden-age-feel-to-restoration-work-at-pelican-golf-club

[Kyle Harris]

That article is rather interesting and doesn't exactly "say" anything. Anybody who has played it in the past five years should have realized it didn't need much work, with the most recent bunker renovation an example in precisely how to do something. Based on the plan they've eliminated the interesting and well-done 11th hole, which had a demanding tee shot and well placed bunkers to get an angle to go for the green in two.


They also seem to have eliminated the elegant and thoughtful cross-bunkers on the 14th hole.


I am increasingly skeptical. This work is a solution in search of a problem.

[Anthony_Nysse]

That article is rather interesting and doesn't exactly "say" anything. Anybody who has played it in the past five years should have realized it didn't need much work, with the most recent bunker renovation an example in precisely how to do something. Based on the plan they've eliminated the interesting and well-done 11th hole, which had a demanding tee shot and well placed bunkers to get an angle to go for the green in two.


They also seem to have eliminated the elegant and thoughtful cross-bunkers on the 14th hole.


I am increasingly skeptical. This work is a solution in search of a problem.

Beau has done some exciting stuff as of late. Previous course was nothing to write home about, IMO. Latitude 36 will certainly help with wintertime wear & tear, consistency & color. Newest aerial looks more like a complete overhaul.

A Dan Doyle and Dan Jr. production (owners).  Fred Ridley is a board member.  Suppose to have all the maintenance tricks of ANGC (sub air, Freon cooling, infinite grooming). Cap of 250 members, caddies, no outside play,

[Kyle Harris]

Not sure when you last played it but if they've modified the 15th green in anyway it would be a travesty. The only real area to improve would be in the Hole #5-6 corridor. I don't particularly care what excites you to write home about it, but you'd be hard pressed to convince anyone it needed to change unless the owners simply wanted a sandbox to build a different golf course. Such is their prerogative.


I don't like the "lack of archival information" dodge for it to be "fully restored" as a cover. Just call it what it is and move on.

[Rob Marshall]

That article is rather interesting and doesn't exactly "say" anything. Anybody who has played it in the past five years should have realized it didn't need much work, with the most recent bunker renovation an example in precisely how to do something. Based on the plan they've eliminated the interesting and well-done 11th hole, which had a demanding tee shot and well placed bunkers to get an angle to go for the green in two.


They also seem to have eliminated the elegant and thoughtful cross-bunkers on the 14th hole.


I am increasingly skeptical. This work is a solution in search of a problem.

Beau has done some exciting stuff as of late. Previous course was nothing to write home about, IMO. Latitude 36 will certainly help with wintertime wear & tear, consistency & color. Newest aerial looks more like a complete overhaul.

A Dan Doyle and Dan Jr. production (owners).  Fred Ridley is a board member.  Suppose to have all the maintenance tricks of ANGC (sub air, Freon cooling, infinite grooming). Cap of 250 members, caddies, no outside play,

Interesting, I’ve heard that it’s going to be open for public play. Previous course was an extremely fun track. You would never say it was great but it was very good. Really tough finishing hole.

[Stewart Abramson]

Here's a link to photos of the Bellview Biltmore from shortly before it closed
https://www.flickr.com/photos/golfcoursepix/albums/72157681856377840/with/34500384331/

[Drew Groeger]

It's unfortunate they eliminated the 11th hole, I thought that was a great strategic hole for the reasons you mentioned. That change also alters the par 3 12th. moving the green to back behind the pond instead of alongside it. So that steep, visually daunting bunker greenside right is gone as well. Sigh.

They've also changed 8 and 9, flipping the pars. The remaining routing is intact but it looks like all/most of the bunkering is changed as well as the green complexes, which were such a fun challenge. Can't speak to the quality of the new layout since it's not open yet, but from the looks of it, I really can't call this a Ross course anymore.

[Kyle Harris]

It's unfortunate they eliminated the 11th hole, I thought that was a great strategic hole for the reasons you mentioned. That change also alters the par 3 12th. moving the green to back behind the pond instead of alongside it. So that steep, visually daunting bunker greenside right is gone as well. Sigh.

They've also changed 8 and 9, flipping the pars. The remaining routing is intact but it looks like all/most of the bunkering is changed as well as the green complexes, which were such a fun challenge. Can't speak to the quality of the new layout since it's not open yet, but from the looks of it, I really can't call this a Ross course anymore.

So they've eliminated some of the more daunting tee shots in favor of a more milquetoast presentation. Also seems to be at the expense of a shorter Par 3 (12) and an interesting long-ish Par 3 in 8. Since I've seen photos of the softened 15th green complex that just leaves the interesting 3rd to remain potentially unaltered.

[Anthony_Nysse]

It's unfortunate they eliminated the 11th hole, I thought that was a great strategic hole for the reasons you mentioned. That change also alters the par 3 12th. moving the green to back behind the pond instead of alongside it. So that steep, visually daunting bunker greenside right is gone as well. Sigh.

They've also changed 8 and 9, flipping the pars. The remaining routing is intact but it looks like all/most of the bunkering is changed as well as the green complexes, which were such a fun challenge. Can't speak to the quality of the new layout since it's not open yet, but from the looks of it, I really can't call this a Ross course anymore.

So they've eliminated some of the more daunting tee shots in favor of a more milquetoast presentation. Also seems to be at the expense of a shorter Par 3 (12) and an interesting long-ish Par 3 in 8. Since I've seen photos of the softened 15th green complex that just leaves the interesting 3rd to remain potentially unaltered.

Again. Looking at the aerial, nothing is left, everything has been altered.

[Rob Marshall]

The old  Belleview Biltmore now called Pelican Golf Club is hosting an LPGA event on 11/16 if anyone is interested in taking a look.

[Rob Marshall]

https://golfweek.usatoday.com/2020/11/18/lpga-pelican-womens-championship-belleair-fred-ridley/

[Tommy Williamsen]

Lots of rule there,


Welcome to
Pelican Golf Club
As a guest at The Pelican, you represent the best Tampa has to offer.
We enforce the following rules to ensure The Pelican is an exceptional
environment for guests and members alike.
PELICAN DRESS CODE
For men, a collared polo shirt is required in all areas of the Club.
Shirts must be tucked in at all times and belts are required if pants contain belt loops.
Denim is prohibited with the exception of colored denim for ladies. No distressed denim is allowed.
Shorts are permitted.
Men's hats must be removed indoors
GENERAL GUIDELINES
All guests playing golf must be accompanied by a member and check in at the pro shop.
All guests must be accompanied by a member in any areas of the club.
Do not tip the staff.
Proper attire, decorum, and consideration of the comfort of others must be observed at all times.
Guests are not allowed in club and golf cart storage areas, golf maintenance area, kitchen, or other service areas of the club.
Dogs and other pets, with the exception of seeing eye dogs, are not permitted on Club Facilities.
All food and beverage must be purchased from the club.
Smoking is permitted only in designated areas.
Use of cellular telephones or any device that transmits data is prohibited on the club’s property, including the Club Facilities, except in areas designated by the club operator.
Loud or offensive language is not tolerated at any time.
Firearms and all other weapons are not permitted on club property at any time.
A round of golf must be completed in 4 hours and 15 minutes.

[Anthony_Nysse]

Lots of rule there,


Welcome to
Pelican Golf Club
As a guest at The Pelican, you represent the best Tampa has to offer.
We enforce the following rules to ensure The Pelican is an exceptional
environment for guests and members alike.
PELICAN DRESS CODE
For men, a collared polo shirt is required in all areas of the Club.
Shirts must be tucked in at all times and belts are required if pants contain belt loops.
Denim is prohibited with the exception of colored denim for ladies. No distressed denim is allowed.
Shorts are permitted.
Men's hats must be removed indoors
GENERAL GUIDELINES
All guests playing golf must be accompanied by a member and check in at the pro shop.
All guests must be accompanied by a member in any areas of the club.
Do not tip the staff.
Proper attire, decorum, and consideration of the comfort of others must be observed at all times.
Guests are not allowed in club and golf cart storage areas, golf maintenance area, kitchen, or other service areas of the club.
Dogs and other pets, with the exception of seeing eye dogs, are not permitted on Club Facilities.
All food and beverage must be purchased from the club.
Smoking is permitted only in designated areas.
Use of cellular telephones or any device that transmits data is prohibited on the club’s property, including the Club Facilities, except in areas designated by the club operator.
Loud or offensive language is not tolerated at any time.
Firearms and all other weapons are not permitted on club property at any time.
A round of golf must be completed in 4 hours and 15 minutes.

This reads more like the baseline of 95% of private clubs in American.

[Mike_Young]

Assume this is the same place Diamond Players Club was involved with about 20 yrs ago?  And this is interesting:  https://www.tampabay.com/news/business/2019/08/26/belleair-commissioner-voted-for-golf-course-improvements-sold-a-house-to-the-courses-owner-the-next-day-for-16/

[Rob Marshall]

Assume this is the same place Diamond Players Club was involved with about 20 yrs ago?  And this is interesting:  https://www.tampabay.com/news/business/2019/08/26/belleair-commissioner-voted-for-golf-course-improvements-sold-a-house-to-the-courses-owner-the-next-day-for-16/

Thanks for posting that Mike. I hadn't seen that. What's happened to the club was as disappointment to me. I played there a lot with my father when it was a semi private club and it was a pretty nice old Ross course when it was in good shape. They had just completed a bunker renovation right before it was sold. There aren't a lot of decent public access courses in the area. Free enterprise so I can't blame them.  The interesting thing is that most of the houses around the course are small ranches. I saw one last week for around $400K that was right on the course. The only sizable houses I remember were around the 18th tee. I played with John Daly's god son there once and he told me JD had looked at one of the houses on 18.

[Jonathan Cummings]

Assume this is the same place Diamond Players Club was involved with about 20 yrs ago?  And this is interesting:  https://www.tampabay.com/news/business/2019/08/26/belleair-commissioner-voted-for-golf-course-improvements-sold-a-house-to-the-courses-owner-the-next-day-for-16/

Thanks for posting that Mike. I hadn't seen that. What's happened to the club was as disappointment to me. I played there a lot with my father when it was a semi private club and it was a pretty nice old Ross course when it was in good shape. They had just completed a bunker renovation right before it was sold. There aren't a lot of decent public access courses in the area. Free enterprise so I can't blame them.  The interesting thing is that most of the houses around the course are small ranches. I saw one last week for around $400K that was right on the course. The only sizable houses I remember were around the 18th tee. I played with John Daly's god son there once and he told me JD had looked at one of the houses on 18.

Daly interested in a Pelican house is not hard to believe.  He lives just 15 miles north of here and was a member at my club, one mile up the road, before he was booted out.

[Rob Marshall]

Assume this is the same place Diamond Players Club was involved with about 20 yrs ago?  And this is interesting:  https://www.tampabay.com/news/business/2019/08/26/belleair-commissioner-voted-for-golf-course-improvements-sold-a-house-to-the-courses-owner-the-next-day-for-16/

Thanks for posting that Mike. I hadn't seen that. What's happened to the club was as disappointment to me. I played there a lot with my father when it was a semi private club and it was a pretty nice old Ross course when it was in good shape. They had just completed a bunker renovation right before it was sold. There aren't a lot of decent public access courses in the area. Free enterprise so I can't blame them.  The interesting thing is that most of the houses around the course are small ranches. I saw one last week for around $400K that was right on the course. The only sizable houses I remember were around the 18th tee. I played with John Daly's god son there once and he told me JD had looked at one of the houses on 18.

Daly interested in a Pelican house is not hard to believe.  He lives just 15 miles north of here and was a member at my club, one mile up the road, before he was booted out.

Jonathan are you at Belleair CC? I'm trying to convince my wife when I retire to go to Clearwater but she likes Naples.

[Jonathan Cummings]

Assume this is the same place Diamond Players Club was involved with about 20 yrs ago?  And this is interesting:  https://www.tampabay.com/news/business/2019/08/26/belleair-commissioner-voted-for-golf-course-improvements-sold-a-house-to-the-courses-owner-the-next-day-for-16/

Thanks for posting that Mike. I hadn't seen that. What's happened to the club was as disappointment to me. I played there a lot with my father when it was a semi private club and it was a pretty nice old Ross course when it was in good shape. They had just completed a bunker renovation right before it was sold. There aren't a lot of decent public access courses in the area. Free enterprise so I can't blame them.  The interesting thing is that most of the houses around the course are small ranches. I saw one last week for around $400K that was right on the course. The only sizable houses I remember were around the 18th tee. I played with John Daly's god son there once and he told me JD had looked at one of the houses on 18.

Daly interested in a Pelican house is not hard to believe.  He lives just 15 miles north of here and was a member at my club, one mile up the road, before he was booted out.

Jonathan are you at Belleair CC? I'm trying to convince my wife when I retire to go to Clearwater but she likes Naples.

Yes Belleair.  Happy to host you whenever you want.  Naples is too crowded and too hot.  Try to get a dinner reservation in Naples Jan-Mar.

[Rob Marshall]

Assume this is the same place Diamond Players Club was involved with about 20 yrs ago?  And this is interesting:  https://www.tampabay.com/news/business/2019/08/26/belleair-commissioner-voted-for-golf-course-improvements-sold-a-house-to-the-courses-owner-the-next-day-for-16/

Thanks for posting that Mike. I hadn't seen that. What's happened to the club was as disappointment to me. I played there a lot with my father when it was a semi private club and it was a pretty nice old Ross course when it was in good shape. They had just completed a bunker renovation right before it was sold. There aren't a lot of decent public access courses in the area. Free enterprise so I can't blame them.  The interesting thing is that most of the houses around the course are small ranches. I saw one last week for around $400K that was right on the course. The only sizable houses I remember were around the 18th tee. I played with John Daly's god son there once and he told me JD had looked at one of the houses on 18.

Daly interested in a Pelican house is not hard to believe.  He lives just 15 miles north of here and was a member at my club, one mile up the road, before he was booted out.

Jonathan are you at Belleair CC? I'm trying to convince my wife when I retire to go to Clearwater but she likes Naples.

Yes Belleair.  Happy to host you whenever you want.  Naples is too crowded and too hot.  Try to get a dinner reservation in Naples Jan-Mar.

They have a great staff there. Our Innisbrook trip was cancelled in October this year but we usually go offsite one day and we've played the East and West. They always treated us very well. I really like the West. I heard it's is being renovated. My parents used to spend a couple of months a year at the Crescent Beach on Sand Key. Love Frenchies Rockaway and the Beachcomber.

[Rob Marshall]

Bump, Just curious if anyone has played Pelican Golf Club? I watched a little on TV this weekend and would like to hear how the course is in person.


On a side note, It's painful to watch Lexi putt from short distances..............

[Tim Martin]

Bump, Just curious if anyone has played Pelican Golf Club? I watched a little on TV this weekend and would like to hear how the course is in person.


On a side note, It's painful to watch Lexi putt from short distances..............

Rob-I thought about starting a thread regarding Lexi but felt her travails were off topic. That said for all her accomplishments she has an incredibly tough time making short putts when she needs them most. Another layer of scar tissue was heaped on this weekend.

[Rob Marshall]

Bump, Just curious if anyone has played Pelican Golf Club? I watched a little on TV this weekend and would like to hear how the course is in person.


On a side note, It's painful to watch Lexi putt from short distances..............

Rob-I thought about starting a thread regarding Lexi but felt her travails were off topic. That said for all her accomplishments she has an incredibly tough time making short putts when she needs them most. Another layer of scar tissue was heaped on this weekend.

Yup, It's got to be really in her head at this point.


I'm amazed  I can't find anyone who has played this course.....

[Jonathan Cummings]

Played Pelican many times.  It's walking distance from my house.  Still like the Belleair pair better but rather bias......

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