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Niall Hay

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GCA exclusive: Martin Ebert to restore Hugh Alisonʼs Japanese masterpiece: http://ow.ly/aV1C30jUGhs

The exclusive Hirono club, near Kobe in southern Japan, long regarded as the country’s greatest course and one of the worldʼs best, has hired British architect Martin Ebert to restore the golf course to the original design of Hugh Alison. Alison originally created Hirono during his famous three month visit to Japan in 1930, during which he was responsible for a string of golf courses that remain the countryʼs elite.
 
http://www.golfcoursearchitecture.net/content/martin-ebert-to-restore-hugh-alison%CA%BCs-japanese-masterpiece
 
 
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Charles Lund

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I had the opportunity to play Hirono about a year ago with some Japanese men I befriended.  I stayed in touch with one of them who is a member.  He comunicated that an earlier renovation added length, but with the modern power game, the added length was insufficient.  He explained that the new work would go back to something closer to the original design.


Given the cultural reverence for tradition in Japan, it seems to be in keeping with this broader influence.


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Jeff Schley

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I had the opportunity to play Hirono about a year ago with some Japanese men I befriended.  I stayed in touch with one of them who is a member.  He comunicated that an earlier renovation added length, but with the modern power game, the added length was insufficient.  He explained that the new work would go back to something closer to the original design.


Given the cultural reverence for tradition in Japan, it seems to be in keeping with this broader influence.


Charles Lund

Charles,

Nice Jedi mind tricks to befriend a member at one of the top courses in the world!  Hit him up after the reno and report back.
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Kye Goalby

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Having spent a good amount of time in Japan the past few years, Hirono just screams out for an extraordinarily thoughtful and comprehensive  restoration.  Seeing beyond the  overabundance of  trees,  bowling alley grassing  lines that eliminate much of  Alison's strategic intent, and the time worn  and also  missing bunkering,  there is a masterpiece waiting to be exposed.  Fortunately there are  vintage  photos of the original course  to provide assistance, and if done right, with thoughtful, passionate and detailed execution,  it should be stunning and absolutely among the  handful of best and  most inspiring  inland  courses in the world.     I truly hope Martin Ebert and the decision makers at Hirono realize the opportunity at hand, don't compromise, and nail this!   
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Noel Freeman

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I wrote the below I think 7 or 8 years ago on this website..


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It is tough to say how Hirono's greens play vs. the past.  First of all the course was used as an airfield during WW II and then in 1948/49 it was restored (I think to the best of Alison's plans) by Osamu Ueda and Toyohiko Inui.  Also Alison did not stay around for Hirono to completion to begin with, he left that to Seichi Takahata and Chozo Ito (a journalist).  And I'm sure the greens were worked on over time from what I've been told and also I would guess top dressing has affected them.. Hole 12's green was moved so it is in a completely different location and #13 as I said once had a bunker installed by a committee chair..

The Japanese, culturally speaking are known masters of imitation, so the greens have the spirit I would guess of the original intent as drawn by Alison but obviously are not exact, but what is these days.  I would say as per the other courses in Japan's I've visited, they are wonderful putting surfaces, but how much better could they be?  I'm not even with all my travels qualified to say.. I'll leave that to the golf architects.

My hope is the club will see that Tokyo and Kasumigaseki have allowed gaijin architects to work on their courses.. Now these were renovations NOT restorations.. Hirono doesnt need a renovation, just a sympathetic restoration or heck just plain tree removal first.  The bunkering though is but a shadow of its former self even if still aesthetically pleasing and still with integrity for shot values.  They are still hazards but they should be much BIGGER ones.

In koryu or the ancient martial arts where a blood oath of loyalty was needed, the highest teachings of the art were known as "gokui".  Alison has left his gokui in the form of his plans for Hirono and a fair amount of commentary.  Whether the club realizes how great at inception was is up to them, I know that in martial arts the future of many of the Japanese variety is not in Japan but overseas..  Whether the Japanese will look to a foreign archie like I think they need to do is questionable.  I had a discussion a few years back with another person who had seen Hirono who compared it to Bethpage Black, right now as it is presented Hirono is not in that class, it is a notch below.  That said, in my humble opinion, restored it would surpass  the Black and rival Sunningdale or any heathland in quality. 

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Peter Pallotta

Charles - you've played in a lot of places and many different kinds of courses, and you seem to have quite broad tastes. I'm curious: what did you think of Hirono as it stands now? Did you like it? Did it measure up to some of your favourites?
Thanks
Peter
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Ari Techner

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This is very exciting news.  I've been very impressed with the work I've seen from Ebert at this point.  Need to get back to Japan when this job is finished.

Tom_Doak

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I was told when I played Hirono years ago that a local architect had enlarged the greens to support bentgrass surfaces - taking Colt's plans but rebuilding them 25% bigger, or something like that.  I wonder if they will dare go back to the original sizes?  It's not an easy place to grow grass.


Niall Hay

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I was told when I played Hirono years ago that a local architect had enlarged the greens to support bentgrass surfaces - taking Colt's plans but rebuilding them 25% bigger, or something like that.  I wonder if they will dare go back to the original sizes?  It's not an easy place to grow grass.


Colt? Don’t you mean Alison? Wasn’t aware Colt was ever in Japan.

Charles Lund

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Charles - you've played in a lot of places and many different kinds of courses, and you seem to have quite broad tastes. I'm curious: what did you think of Hirono as it stands now? Did you like it? Did it measure up to some of your favourites?
Thanks
Peter


I had the good fortune of befriending a Japanese man while playing golf in Hong Kong.  We had an enjoyable time and had lunch, with another round on a different day.  I mentioned that I would be in Kyoto and Tokyo in March and April to see some gardens during the Sakura blossom.  He offered to line up a game with a friend.  I hadn't planned on golf, but told him I would be happy to meet him and his friend.  I'd played golf at a couple of courses near Mount Fuji a few years before, after an email exchange with an English speaking golf professional.  It was clear to me that Japan golf culture does not accommodate walk on singles well.  I liked being able to get in a couple of games, but figured golf was not that workable in Japan for a solo golf traveler.

It turned out his friend was a member of Hirono Golf Club, near Kobe.  The ride on the bullet train to Kobe takes about 20 minutes from Kyoto.  They met me at the train station in Kobe.

Because most of the top ranked golf courses in the U.S. are private and very exclusive, I have little to compare Hirono to.  The man who hosted me was a long time member, who knew well the history of the club.  I am hard pressed to compare it to courses I have seen on TV, or seen pictures of, or walked on as a patron but not played.  I don't think it is realistic to compare it to courses I hsven't played.


I waa there in late March of 2017.  The grass was dormant, but it was a good playing surface.  Photos tended to wash out.  Mature pines had been periodically influenced over the years by typhoons and  maintained via meticulous care in the Japanese tradition.  Hole #15 had a tree with seroious typhoon damage which was stabilized with elaborate cables and other rehab procedures. In Japan, it is common to take extensive measures to keep very old trees healthy and stabilize or brace them.  So my guess is that the club didn't take a cavalier attitude about the damaged tree in question on #15.


I found the course aesthetically beautiful, challenging, and fun.  Despite  the sheer number of trees, they did not overly intrude on play.  Fairways were adequate in width.  Pines grow in a way that they tend to drop lower branches over time.  The canopies are not overly dense due to typhoon influences and pruning.


I posted pics of a few holes, mostly par threes to the link below:


https://photos.app.goo.gl/9jtvqKZfWj24wxTr1


I was able to play Tokyo Golf Club and Kasumigaseki East this spring, as a side adventure from additional garden exploring.  I found my Japanese hosts knowledgeable about club and course histories.  Those with more expertise in rating systems and training conferring expertise in golf course commentary would see things I would not see.


I'd like to play the courses when fairway grass is not dormant.  They would present visually in a different way. I will be in Japan in November, hoping to see Japanese Maples in color change where I will visit.  I might get in a round or two of golf as part of the trip.


Charles Lund


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Tom_Doak

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I was told when I played Hirono years ago that a local architect had enlarged the greens to support bentgrass surfaces - taking Colt's plans but rebuilding them 25% bigger, or something like that.  I wonder if they will dare go back to the original sizes?  It's not an easy place to grow grass.


Colt? Don’t you mean Alison? Wasn’t aware Colt was ever in Japan.


Yes, I meant Alison, sorry.

Niall Hay

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Tom_Doak

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I hate it when guys hedge on restoration like that.

Brian_Ewen

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Brian_Ewen

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Re: Martin Ebert to restore Hugh Alisonʼs Japanese masterpiece Hirono
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Adam_Messix

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Re: Martin Ebert to restore Hugh Alisonʼs Japanese masterpiece Hirono
« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2019, 06:10:56 PM »
I hate it when guys hedge on restoration like that.



Tom--


When doing renovation/restoration work, is there a point when you say, "What would (the original architect) do with the hole if he was working on it today?" or is it totally a we're going to put the course back totally the way the original architect had it.  From the post above I am getting the impression that you prefer the latter.  There is not a right or wrong answer here, but having seen some of the interpretive work at a place like Old Town I think sometimes not doing a TOTAL restoration but maintaining the strategies and principles of the original architect is the way to go. 


Hirono is an extraordinary golf course and I hope the MacKenzie and Ebert get it right and the club allows them to remove enough trees to allow the design to shine. 

Adam Uttley

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Re: Martin Ebert to restore Hugh Alisonʼs Japanese masterpiece Hirono
« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2019, 08:58:57 AM »
Here is a in-depth report by Mackenzie & Ebert on the progress made at Hirono with photos and a good explanation of what the project is focusing on.  A restoration of the green complexes is the primary goal with tree removal being a little more limited.  It also includes the addition of some new fairway bunkers and removal of those no longer considered relevant. 


http://www.golfcoursearchitecture.net/downloads/Hirono-Restoration.pdf


Brian_Ewen

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Re: Martin Ebert to restore Hugh Alisonʼs Japanese masterpiece Hirono
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David Davis

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Re: Martin Ebert to restore Hugh Alisonʼs Japanese masterpiece Hirono
« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2019, 01:49:55 PM »
The work so far has been very thoughtful indeed and when compared with old photos (and I'm talking about green complexes mainly) seems to be an excellent renovation.


My main concern is that the level of tree removal is not close to as much as it could be or originally was. I'm sure the opinions vary on this. I think the original width was essential at Hirono so for me that will be the biggest question mark and I can't wait to see the renovation.
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Brian_Ewen

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Brian_Ewen

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Re: Martin Ebert to restore Hugh Alisonʼs Japanese masterpiece Hirono
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Jeff Schley

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Re: Martin Ebert to restore Hugh Alisonʼs Japanese masterpiece Hirono
« Reply #22 on: June 04, 2019, 07:47:47 AM »
Brian nice pictures. Are they addressing all the bunkers or just some? Putting in liners or?
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Lou_Duran

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Re: Martin Ebert to restore Hugh Alisonʼs Japanese masterpiece Hirono
« Reply #23 on: June 04, 2019, 08:30:26 PM »
Any idea on the re-opening date?

Brian_Ewen

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Re: Martin Ebert to restore Hugh Alisonʼs Japanese masterpiece Hirono
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