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Bill Satterfield

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Moonlight Basin - Big SKy, MT
« on: October 22, 2017, 10:02:56 PM »
This summer I had the opportunity to play Moonlight Basin.  Our family has a cabin near the west entrance to Yellowstone National Park (an hour from Big Sky) and so I've watched with intrigue as this project has developed.  I walked away impressed with what Jack was able to do; it is one of the best mountain courses I've played.  The course tips out at a healthy 8,000 yards but sits at an impressive 7,500 feet elevation; so you coastal dwellers may want to bring a tank of oxygen ha ha.  Here is a review I wrote on the course:



Signature Hole:  17th - 777 Yard Par 5 - That is not a misprint, the 17th is an astounding 777 yards but is much easier to reach then you might think considering you are at 7,500 feet elevation and the fairway tumbles a couple hundred feet downhill to the green. From the back tee there is a bunker 370 yards away in the middle of the fairway and stands as a great aiming point. From the tee there is little indication of the drama of this hole which quickly unfolds when you reach the center bunker and suddenly see the fairway plummet downhill and are afforded an inspiring view of the golf hole and mountain backdrop. From the forward tees players will have an opportunity to hit their drive past the center bunker on the right side and enjoy a whopping 150 yards of roll down one of the steepest fairways I've ever encountered. From there it becomes a great birdie opportunity as reaching the green in under regulation becomes a very real possibility, and even if you don't get passed the hill with your tee shot, the downhill second shot will carry plenty of extra yardage and set up a shorter approach than you ever imagined looking at the scorecard initially. Bottom line, this hole is fun and that is always a good thing.


Tee shot . . .





Approach shot . . .





Looking back towards the tee . . .





What to Expect:  Moonlight Basin is a stunning layout located on the back side of the mountain where most of the development has occurred near the ski hill of Big Sky. This secluded location provided an impressive amount of property for Jack Nicklaus to work with and an opportunity for his imagination to run wild. The extreme nature of the terrain made it necessary to design a course that would never be walked and instead focused on unearthing the finest holes available. The result is a course with some of the most memorable and scenic holes you'll ever encounter at a mountain layout. The course sits at 7500 feet elevation and tips out at an impressive 8000 yards with several hundred feet of elevation changes experienced throughout the round so you can imagine the variety of shots you get to experience. The tone is set early with the opening tee shot playing a couple hundred feet downhill as your ball experiences more hang time with your driver then you've likely ever had before. Due to the terrain there are a couple places where there is a significant drive from a green to the following tee, but it also provides a good chance to just sit back and soak in your surroundings. Not only are towering, snow capped mountain views plentiful at Moonlight Basin, the bunkering has an artistic flare and adds to the strategy and visual enjoyment of the course. As a collection, the par fives are as a good of a group as you'll find; especially since there a five of them. This is because the back nine features three par 3s, three par 4s, and three par 5s which is becoming increasingly popular among newer designs because it is simply more fun. Even at 8000 yards there are times that the best play is not driver off the tee so Jack doesn't sacrifice strategy in an effort to demand length. In addition to the golf course, there is a sizable driving range and small four hole practice area next to the clubhouse that will allow you to dial in both your long and short game. At the transition from the 12th green to the 13th tee is a comfort station loaded with all sorts of goodies to help you get through your round. With an assortment of jerky, energy bars, candies, and beverages, patrons are sure to get the boost they need to tackle the back nine. All in all, Moonlight Basin exceeded my expectations with a wonderfully secluded property, intimate facilities, and a golf course that is a masterful blend of fun, challenge, and beauty.


Individual Hole Analysis


Best Par 3:  7th - 180 Yards - With a property as dramatic as Moonlight Basin's it would be easy to simply create a collection of nothing but downhill par threes, but Jack wisely incorporated a variety of design elements in his one-shotters including the uphill 7th. The hole is modest in length, especially at 7500 feet elevation, but the tee shot plays over a natural pond to a tiered green set at the base of a forest of trees. The back right pin location is the most difficult to approach while pins on the left side are more accessible due to the sloping and shape of the green. The setting is gorgeous with a feeling of total isolation from the world as you soak in your natural surroundings highlighted by a peak towering above the trees and still sporting snow along its face in July.







Best Par 4:  1st - 463 Yards - Without a doubt, this is one of the most memorable and dramatic opening holes I've ever come across. Along the same lines as the drop on Mr. Nicklaus' opening hole at Castle Pines, the first tee shot at Moonlight Basin delivers an incredible mountain background and huge elevation drop down to the fairway below. The safe shot is less than driver to the fairway on the right that avoids the bunkers and sets up a potentially blind approach to the green. Never one for playing it safe, I took out my driver with dead aim at the lower fairway on the left and hit one of the most inspiring tee shots of my life that was nothing but pure pleasure to watch as the ball flew through the air with the backdrop changing from blue sky, to mountain vistas, to green fairway with remarkable hangtime. Not sure if I had made it to the fairway or not, I hit a 3-iron provisional followed by a 225 yard 6-iron (playing at elevation does wonders for the ego) onto the green. When we embarked to the lower fairway my playing partner and I started cheering as if we discovered a hole in one when we found my tee shot had indeed made it safely over the massive forced carry and onto the grass. My Bushnell Tour V3 confirmed that my drive had covered 370 yards enroute to its resting place including about 360 yards of carry from the tips. Did I mention how fun it is to play a 7500 yards? What a great way to start the round!






Best Par 5:  6th - 633 Yards - Before our round I asked one of the pros what his favorite hole on the course was and he answered, without hesitation, #6. When I got to the tee I could quickly see why as players are afforded an inspiring view of the three major mountain peaks of Big Sky and an engaging downhill par five in front of you. The tee shot is ideally played towards the center-right fairway bunker 370 yards in the distance which provides the most direct route to load up and take a rip at reaching the green in two. The approach from this side requires a forced carry over a foliage heavy area that thrives on eating golf balls while the safe play is up the left side where the fairway opens up and provides a nice angle to the putting surface. As improbable as it may seem to reach a 633 yard hole in two, the huge drop from tee to fairway coupled with the thin mountain air allowed me to go reach the fringe with a 5-wood on my second shot with a slight breeze behind me. I should note, that the collection of par fives at Moonlight Basin is one of the best I've ever discovered and stands as a major highlight to the course.








Birdie Time:  18th - 354 Yard Par 4 - The closing hole in an intriguing one with players being faced with a split fairway divided by a tree lined stream. The shorter route plays to the right but requires more length and accuracy to find a safe landing spot while the left side offers significantly more safety and is the direction the vast majority of players will favor considering the advantage gained doesn't really reward the risk wagered going to the right. In stroke play this hole seems like a gift to finish on as the degree of challenge is low, but in match play it could be quite fun as players feeling good about their game may try to hit their drive up the left side near the green in an effort to get up and down for a closing birdie. Even if you play it safe off the tee you will likely be left with a wedge in your hand and a great chance to stuff it close and walk off the course by taking one last stroke from Old Man Par before retiring for the day.





Looking back at the 18th . . .


Bogey Beware:  14th - 286 Yard Par 3 - Even in thin mountain air, 286 yards for a par three is one stout challenge to take on. Playing pretty flat in elevation from tee to green, there is no cheating the distance and players may actually elect to use Billy Casper's strategy from the 3rd hole at Winged Foot and just lay up in hopes of then getting up and down for par. While the 4th hole lays claim to the #1 handicap designation, and is worthy of it, you'll likely be playing your approach shot from less than 286 yards and have a better chance of reaching the green in regulation than this challenging one-shotter offers. Pars here are rare and birdies are virtually non-existent.





The Takeaway:  Moonlight Basin enjoys one of the most secluded, dramatic, and stunning locations there is for a mountain golf course. The elevation changes are breathtaking, the conditions immaculate, and the memorability outstanding. With ample acreage to use as a canvas, Jack crafted a design iconic of Big Sky country.

Laz Versalles

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Re: Moonlight Basin - Big SKy, MT
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2017, 11:29:29 PM »
You lost me at 286 yard Par 3. But certainly looks like you had a heckuva time.

Tom_Doak

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Re: Moonlight Basin - Big SKy, MT
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2017, 10:01:34 AM »
It looks beautiful, but ... how do you get back UP those hills?

jeffwarne

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Re: Moonlight Basin - Big SKy, MT
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2017, 10:09:43 AM »
I was predisposed to hate it...


but it looks like a blast....in a cart


and beautiful scenery







"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Bill Satterfield

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Re: Moonlight Basin - Big Sky, MT
« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2017, 08:28:15 PM »
Laz, 283 yards is stout for a par three for sure but certainly not unprecedented for high elevation locations.  The Pete Dye course at Promontory in Park City, UT has a 299 yard one-shotter, Greg Norman's Red Sky course in Colorado has one at 283 yards, Paa-Ko Ridge at 7000' elevation has a 272 yarder, and Rock Creek Cattle Company sports a 265 yarder.  Even lower elevation locations have some stout par 3 distances from the tips.  The Diabolical French Lick course in Indiana has a 301 yard par 3, Oakmont a 288 yarder, and one of my all time favorite par 3s is the 273 yard 3rd hole at Mauna Kea that plays over an ocean bay frequented by spinner dolphins.


Tom and Jeff, Moonlight Basin is cart ball for sure.  There were a couple of times between holes I said to my buddy, "How much would this suck to walk?" There was no effort made, that I could see, to make the course walker friendly.  That being said, the golfing clientele in the Rocky Mountain region doesn't value walking near as much as the east and west coasts do.  I think that is due to a few things: 1. History/Tradition - There isn't much of it through Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Utah, Colorado, and New Mexico.  These are all relatively "new" golf locations compared to the storied clubs on the coasts.  As such, they generally don't put a lot of weight into the tradition of walking.  2. Location/Elevation - A stroll around San Francisco Golf Club is a piece of cake with minor elevation changes, short distances between tees and greens, and not a lot of distance to cover.  There are plenty of walkers at the municipal course around where I live that have a similar setup, but but brand new courses rarely have walkers as those courses are often built on more extreme terrain where a spare 200+ acres is available.  3. Clientele - This ties back into #1, but the vast majority of clientele in the Rocky Mountain region isn't exactly knocking down the head pro's door asking for more walking opportunities on the course.  It just isn't the way it is done around here.  People enjoy the opportunity to ride with someone and engage in conversation throughout the round.  They like the comfort and convenience a cart offers; especially when looking for a wayward ball.  They like the pace a cart offers when someone needs to drive back to a previous hole to find a lost club or headcover, when someone needs to get to a restroom, or when the weather turns south or something arises that requires leaving the course early.  While I wish all of my golf was 3-4 hours of undisturbed bliss, the rest or "real life" happens enough that a cart offers some nice conveniences.


All of that being said, I enjoy walking as much as the next guy.  Heck, I went to Scotland and England last month and walked 18 rounds in 11 days.  It would have been 19 rounds in 11 days but Loch Lomond got shut down due to too much rain.  There is no doubt in my mind that you can enjoy and appreciate a golf course more when walking it, but I don't mind riding in a cart either - especially when it comes to enjoying courses on extreme terrain like Moonlight Basin.


Ultimately, the "Wild West" is not a very traditional place.  In fact, some of you will want to cry blasphemy when you hear this, but the private country club in my home town allows players to wear jeans in the spring and fall.  When outside tournaments are held there, they have a supply of collared shirts available to borrow since inevitably there will be players that show up in a non-collared shirt.  The amount of facial hair you have or don't have is the least of the club's concerns.  Cargo shorts and pants are common place, after all, we are located in one of the best hunting and fishing regions in the world.  In fact, you would think I was a leper growing up in Idaho and not being a hunter or fisherman myself.  I guess we are just a bunch of rednecks with a few of us that are crazy about golf, and I'm totally comfortable with that.
« Last Edit: October 25, 2017, 01:45:33 PM by Bill Satterfield »

Tom_Doak

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Re: Moonlight Basin - Big SKy, MT
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2017, 09:29:29 AM »
I was predisposed to hate it...


but it looks like a blast....in a cart


and beautiful scenery


It is hard to hate anyplace in Montana.

JWL

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Re: Moonlight Basin - Big SKy, MT
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2017, 10:47:02 AM »
Bill
Thanks for showing the beautiful pictures of MB.   
Just a side note for those interested.   As can be easily seen, this was an enormous, very difficult site.   When surveying all of the land in the routing process, the area where the golf course now is located was almost completed burned from a fire.   That is why you don't see as many trees as you do in the neighboring hillside, which was also part of the property, much of it being MB ski resort.   So with the trees burned, we were able to find this golf course, and quite frankly, it was the only area within their large valley that was even possible to find a golf course.   Of course, with the altitude and terrain, we knew golf cart would be a necessary evil.
[size=78%]I am please that you enjoyed the experience.[/size]
I also agree with Tom about Montana.   Cheers 


Kalen Braley

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Re: Moonlight Basin - Big SKy, MT
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2017, 11:50:41 AM »
Bill,


Excellent post and enjoyable comments about the Rocky Mountain region, which are pretty spot on.


And I must admit, one of the more enjoyable things about golf in this area is its not pretentiousness. Combine that with affordable green fees, most courses are rarely crowded, the views are fantastic on nearly every course and it really makes for a nice formula even if there is a lack of DS 7-10 courses.


P.S.  Salt Lake City is an interesting location because all of the courses are either dead flat on the valley floor, or billy goat golf on the side of the mountain.

John Ezekowitz

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Re: Moonlight Basin - Big SKy, MT
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2017, 07:03:01 PM »
The tee shot/infinity fairway on 17 is visually reminiscent of dropping into a steep ski run. I find that look very interesting (in a good way). Are there other mountain golf courses with similar holes?

Dave McCollum

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Re: Moonlight Basin - Big SKy, MT
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2017, 09:10:03 AM »
Bill, I just looked at the pictures, quite quickly.  We've never hit it off even though by Western standards we're neighbors.  And, of yeah, you don't like my course.  No hard feelings here.  My question for you is do you think this course is better than Sun Valley Trail Creek in the mountain course category?  It's clearly criminal how they have neglected tree trimming/removal, but if you look closely, the bones are there.  The greens were always slow and crappy.  That's getting better or was for my last visit, some years ago.  Other than Rock Creek CC, the best mountain course I've seen, Sun Valley is right there and the best RTJ and RTJ, Jr. I've seen.  I know that sounds apocryphal on this site.  However, these guys built a lot of courses.  By the luck of the draw, it seems logical they'd stumble on a good site they didn't screw up.  And remember the nine hole template was a Billy Bell (the original, was that with the "P"?)  Just wondering.  We get so little respect for our mountain golf courses.

When Doak cruised through awhile ago, I was really tempted to take him to Sun Valley because he could see the bones.  The course is really quirky and has more water than most of us would prefer, the trees suck, and it's fairly hard.  Until I saw RCCC, it was my favorite of the category.         
 

Kyle Casella

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Re: Moonlight Basin - Big SKy, MT
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2017, 05:30:15 PM »
The tee shot/infinity fairway on 17 is visually reminiscent of dropping into a steep ski run. I find that look very interesting (in a good way). Are there other mountain golf courses with similar holes?


I've seen this on a number of mountain golf courses but never thought of it as a parallel to skiing, which is a cool thought. #17 at Montreux near Reno comes to mind, as does #1 at the Sanctuary near Denver.


There is course near Oakland, CA, Lake Chabot, that has a very steep fairway that looks similar to 17 here. That one is 650 yards at sea level!

Bill Satterfield

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Re: Moonlight Basin - Big SKy, MT
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2017, 04:53:12 PM »

Dave, it has been almost 13 years since I played  your course.  It was in December and early on in the depth of courses I had visited up to that point so I would love to plan a return trip sometime, especially with it being so readily accessible for me to get to.  We ought to get together next summer.


To answer your question, I do think that Moonlight Basin is better than Sun Valley by a comfortable margin.  I agree with your assessment of Sun Valley having good bones and potential to be better with some tweaks, but there are several mountain courses I prefer to it, some of which include Victory Ranch, Glenwild, and SLCC in Utah, Snake River Sporting Club and Shooting Star in Wyoming, Castle Pines, Sanctuary, Ravenna, and Lakota Ranch in Colorado, Clear Creek in Nevada, Rock Creek Cattle Company, Spanish Peak, Wilderness Club, and Yellowstone Club in Montana, and almost anything in Northern Idaho.


Sun Valley is a gem for sure and for a long time was the best course in Idaho.  Are you saying you like Sun Valley better than any RTJ Sr. or RTJ Jr. course, or better than any course they both worked on?

Dave McCollum

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Re: Moonlight Basin - Big SKy, MT
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2017, 07:31:22 PM »
Other than Elkhorn, it may be the only RTJ I've played.

Yeah come back and let's play next year.  I'm not playing now due to an aging injury.  The course is the same, no major changes.  Tom Doak gave it a 5 which delighted me as our primary purpose is to provide affordable golf to our locals.  I also took TD to Blue Lakes, which I know you love as do I, and he found it difficult and rated it a point higher.  I've never reached out to you before because I'm a geezer and you are a relatively young man.       

Morgan Clawson

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Re: Moonlight Basin - Big SKy, MT
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2017, 03:12:49 PM »
Bill -
Very nice write-up and photos.  Looks like a lot of fun.  Amazing part of the country!

Pete_Pittock

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Re: Moonlight Basin - Big SKy, MT
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2017, 03:54:04 PM »
Last month I proved West Yellowstone is only a day's drive from Portland.  I'd like to go back for some more photography and Moonlight Basin could be an excuse, though the private, members-only status gives me pause.

Kalen Braley

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Re: Moonlight Basin - Big SKy, MT
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2017, 11:34:18 AM »
Last month I proved West Yellowstone is only a day's drive from Portland.  I'd like to go back for some more photography and Moonlight Basin could be an excuse, though the private, members-only status gives me pause.


Google maps puts it about 11 hours...was it ever in doubt?  ;)


P.S.  Next time you go, let me know I may be interested in meeting up in Idaho Falls and carpooling.  Yellowstone is nothing short of amazing...

Bill Satterfield

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Re: Moonlight Basin - Big SKy, MT
« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2017, 07:07:58 PM »
Last month I proved West Yellowstone is only a day's drive from Portland.  I'd like to go back for some more photography and Moonlight Basin could be an excuse, though the private, members-only status gives me pause.


They have some stay and play packages they are offering right now so you should be able to make arranges to play.

Tom_Doak

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Re: Moonlight Basin - Big SKy, MT
« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2017, 09:43:02 AM »

They have some stay and play packages they are offering right now so you should be able to make arranges to play.


Pretty late in the season for that, isn't it ?  :)

Kalen Braley

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Re: Moonlight Basin - Big SKy, MT
« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2021, 12:21:58 PM »
I wanted to bump this as this is the venue for todays event.  Looks like it'll be some interesting course watching and perhaps BDC will reach 17 in 2.   ;)
 


Pete_Pittock

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Re: Moonlight Basin - Big SKy, MT
« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2021, 08:34:24 PM »
BDC hit 8 iron (I believe) off of Aaron Rodgers drive. Just short, in the bunker.

Bruce Katona

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Re: Moonlight Basin - Big SKy, MT
« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2021, 10:29:15 AM »
I watched this last night....entertaining modified alternate shot format.


The hi-lite for me was when either Yogi or Boo-Boo made a cameo appearance on the front 9 looking for a pic-a-nick basket of peanut butter and jelly sandwiches.


Lots of wildlife abound on site as Sir Charles opined " I ran into 3 cougars last night - Mary, Shelly & Karen" - haha


Craig Sweet

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Re: Moonlight Basin - Big SKy, MT
« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2021, 08:52:20 PM »
Having the bear spray on the ready is a real thing...I carry it now whenever I am fishing....The Griz are striking back as we invade their territory!
No one is above the law. LOCK HIM UP!!!

Tommy Williamsen

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Re: Moonlight Basin - Big SKy, MT
« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2021, 10:05:46 PM »
I was predisposed to hate it...


but it looks like a blast....in a cart


and beautiful scenery


It is hard to hate anyplace in Montana.


Ever been to eastern Montana? Little different.
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jeffwarne

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Re: Moonlight Basin - Big SKy, MT
« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2021, 10:06:00 PM »
I was predisposed to hate it...


but it looks like a blast....in a cart


and beautiful scenery


It is hard to hate anyplace in Montana.


I thought the course and scenery was the only memorable or worthwhile part of yesterday's Match.
I hung in for about 15 minutes and tuned in 5 hours later and they were on 13...
Then I watched the one club challenge 14th where they took 30 minutes to play one hole and did absolutely nothing impressive with their one club.
Good for charity I guess, not much else.
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Peter Flory

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Re: Moonlight Basin - Big SKy, MT
« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2021, 12:04:09 AM »
The one club challenge was brutal.  You're right- nobody did anything impressive at all on that hole in any way.

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