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mark chalfant

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Spanish Oaks Barton Creek (Crenshaw)
« on: February 17, 2017, 12:36:22 AM »

 I would appreciate  thoughts about the strengths  of  these   2 courses   in Austin




Thanks  !

Tom_Doak

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Re: Spanish Oaks Barton Creek (Crenshaw)
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2017, 12:53:13 AM »
See them both if you can, and report back!


Barton Creek [along with the Rimba Iriyan course in Indonesia] is the only Coore & Crenshaw course over two years old that I haven't seen.  It was their second co-design, and from what I've heard it is so minimalist that it went right over the heads of most observers who were looking for more eye candy, providing instead a bunch of fallaway greens and more than one blind shot.


Spanish Oaks was designed by Bobby Weed and his associate Chris Monti, who was in a class at Cornell that I taught years ago.  I've heard it's some of their best work.

Greg Clark

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Re: Spanish Oaks Barton Creek (Crenshaw)
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2017, 07:52:21 PM »
Mark,

I've played Barton Creek Crenshaw 3-4 times and Spanish Oaks once. 

I find the Crenshaw course to be a lot of fun, but it has it warts.  It's a bit of a juxtaposition between Texas Hill Country and Parkland golf.  It doesn't do the Hill Country bit as well as it's neighboor course - Fazio Foothills - although 17 and 18 are good examples of the genre (fairly severe elevation changes, combined with carries over densely vegetated ravines).  Tom is correct in that there are a decent amount of blind, or semi-blind shots.  Some work, but some don't such as the drive on 1 and approach on 2 (the worst holes on the course for me).  But the middle of the course enters into more parkland type of land.  There is still elevation, but the slopes are gentler, and it's here the design starts to shine.  While the fairways are tree lined, there is lots of width.  Finding the right side of the fairway gives the best line into very large and tilted greens that fallaway as Tom indicated.

This is the strength of the course, as the ground game is in play and with the size of the greens you can watch your ball run a long way towards the hole.  There isn't much in the way of contour on the greens and C&C certainly have built much better greens since then.  But the tilt and size are what present the challenge.  I like the course quite a bit more than most that play it. 

It is certainly the red headed step child of the resort.  The condition is more spotty than the other courses and the greens have more grain.  There aren't as many hero chances either, which appeals to many looking for a hill country golf experience.  Those are the reasons it doesn't get as much attention from guests as the two Fazios on property.  My buddy golf trip went to Austin last summer and the Crenshaw course was the least favortite we played by the mostly retail golfer crowd.  They spent a lot more time looking for balls in the gunch on the Canyons, and the round was much quicker on the Crenshaw as a result, but they like what they like.  On the property I would go 1) Canyons 2) Crenshaw 3) Foothills.  The vast majority would put the Crenshaw last.

It's been four or five years since I played Spanish Oaks, so my thoughts will be briefer.  I know that I really liked it.  It belongs in the discussion of best in the Austin area, along with Austin GC, Escondido and Austin CC (although many here would not like the severity and forced carries of the back 9 at ACC). I remember liking the routing a lot.  I remember a couple of good par fives, a really good short par 4, excellent conditioning, challenging greens and a forced and disappointing finishing hole. More subtle elevation here also, but there is a good amount of change between the highest and lowest part of the property.  Well worth a play for sure.

Jason Topp

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Re: Spanish Oaks Barton Creek (Crenshaw)
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2017, 09:55:26 PM »
I think the Barton Creek course is a terrific experience.  There are a few goofy features such as one fairway that cuts you off (maybe on 2), a lot of blind shots and a number of front to back sloping green.  It also is quite a bit shorter from the back tees than other courses at the resort and I suspect that works to its detriment even though most people do not play those tees anyway.

I wrote about it and posted pictures in My Topp's Travels 2011 thread if you want to try and figure out the search function.

Bill_McBride

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Re: Spanish Oaks Barton Creek (Crenshaw)
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2017, 01:28:54 PM »
I haven't played Spanish Oaks.

I am a big fan of the Crenshaw course at Barton Creek.  Given ten rounds there I would play 7 on Crenshaw, 3 on Canyons and 0 on Foothills which I don't care much for. 

I love the eight fallaway greens on the Crenshaw course, and all the elevation changes.   And I enjoy the smaller crowds on Crenshaw because so many just don't get it.

mark chalfant

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Re: Spanish Oaks Barton Creek (Crenshaw)
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2017, 02:16:34 PM »

Hey guys,


Thank you so much for  all  the great informative replies.  both  courses  sound  cool

Paul Jones

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Re: Spanish Oaks Barton Creek (Crenshaw)
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2017, 09:37:41 PM »
Spanish Oaks and Austin Golf Club are the two best in Austin. Barton Creek (Crenshaw) is worth playing if staying at the resort, but wouldn't make a special trip.
Paul Jones
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David Wuthrich

Re: Spanish Oaks Barton Creek (Crenshaw)
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2017, 08:46:24 PM »

Short and sweet.


Play Spanish Oaks


The Barton Creek course might be Crenshaw's worst course, IMHO.


DW

Bill_McBride

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Re: Spanish Oaks Barton Creek (Crenshaw)
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2017, 09:18:30 PM »

Short and sweet.


Play Spanish Oaks


The Barton Creek course might be Crenshaw's worst course, IMHO.


DW


 It may be their worst of the C&C courses I've played but it's a lot of fun and beats both Fazios on the property. 

David Wuthrich

Re: Spanish Oaks Barton Creek (Crenshaw)
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2017, 04:43:41 PM »

Agree! I'll take a CC anyday!


DW

E P Purmort

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Re: Spanish Oaks Barton Creek (Crenshaw)
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2017, 09:42:23 PM »
I really enjoyed Spanish Oaks. Hill Country is beautiful. The houses aren't imposing for a housing dev. I wish the grounds crew let it dry out a little more, but to their credit the turf was in great shape. I think it has some wonderful holes, a bunch of good holes, and a few stinkers (#7) & (16) (17).


These were my favorites.



#3 Par 3. A lot of nuance to the deep green. Those mishits that wind up safe short face a nasty pitch in.
#6 Short par 4 with a wild green. Lots going on with sight lines, carries, and mounding. cool hole.
#12 Par 3 is probably the best hole on the course. Creek hazard right of the green with the slope feed balls towards the hazard. Another tee even further right could make this even better imo.


Also of note, the halfway house is this bad ass old western themed set up. The grill master took a solo cup put queso in the bottom, then put beef fajita strips in on top of that and you ate it like french fries. It was ultra Texan.




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