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JHoulihan

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Printed yardage book vs Lazer vs GPS
« on: December 21, 2016, 12:03:29 AM »
2016 is almost over and 2017 is nearby. I am seriously thinking about a new purchase and would like your feedback (both positive and negative) about why you choose to use yardage books/lazer/gps when you play. Please include the manufacturer/model you are currently using (so I can make a running list). I have my options narrowed down to a few choices but your feedback my help me to finalize the decision. Thanks again and hope to use this info to good use when I meet many of you at the 5th major in June 2017!

Pete_Pittock

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Re: Printed yardage book vs Lazer vs GPS
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2016, 01:26:22 AM »

I have an old Bushnell range finder, but that was before there was a good choice, or even a choice in GPS gear. It is also helpful when I am checking course set-up. Also have a large collection of yardage books. Some have a grid and ruler approach (ala 1970s). They are also helpful because I dot spots where I took pictures.


If you are dialed in on the distances you hit clubs, the laser would be best. If not, I would tend toward GPS where front and back of green yardage is more helpful.




Greg Chambers

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Re: Printed yardage book vs Lazer vs GPS
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2016, 01:31:25 AM »
I look for the 150 bush, then estimate off of that.  Good luck in your search.
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John Foley

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Re: Printed yardage book vs Lazer vs GPS
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2016, 08:27:57 AM »
This summer bought the Golf Buddy CT2. It is a small GPS unit that clips onto your golf bag.  Courses pre-download auto recognizes what course you are on when you step on the first tee shows yardages to front, back & center. Accuracy appears to be +/- 3 yards. Very easy to recharge after about 3 rounds. Exactly what I needed & highly recommend. No more hunting down sprinkler heads.
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jeffwarne

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Re: Printed yardage book vs Lazer vs GPS
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2016, 09:09:49 AM »
I look for the 150 bush, then estimate off of that.  Good luck in your search.


In the interest of fast play and less brain clutter...
This (above ground 150-bush/post/birdhouse)or some other visible/imaginative feature would always be my first choice as it gives perception off the tee, is easy to estimate when behind it, and is easy to step off when past it.
Alas, the "form over substance" police seek to remove all "clutter" from golf courses.


Sprinlers marked can be good-but the search can slow things down,or more preferably a blue 200, white 150 and red 100 stone in the ground (common in the UK) are my second choice as they're easy to find. The funniest thing in the UK is how some are to the front, some the middle, some in meters, some in yards-so it's important to find out before you tee off as it's often not on the card.


I have capitulated and I now use a laser, but will always defer to a marker and estimate if I see one in a casual round.
I will say a lazer is a useful feature when competing (when allowed)on an unfamiliar course as it allows you to see the contours of your target.



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Jim Tang

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Re: Printed yardage book vs Lazer vs GPS
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2016, 10:03:21 AM »
Used to use Sky Caddie Aire, a GPS device. 


Upside



Clipped on to bag.  Lightweight.  Provided yardages to front, middle back of green.  Loved it.  Very easy to use and all courses are preloaded.  It helped me to play faster since I never had to look for a yardage plate. All you had to do was glance at the screen and you had your number. 


Downside


It had an annual fee and you had to go through a registration process every year.  The battery also needed to be recharged after 2 rounds or so.


Last year I switched to the Leupold GX 1i2 Rangerfinder. 


Upside


Easy to use once in your hand.  Just point and click.  Very accurate yardages.  Durable and light.  The battery doesn't need to be recharged.  The battery that came with the device lasted all season for me and it's inexpensive to replace.  No annual fee to pay and no online registration process.  Although I've not had to replace the device, I'm told (by my brother) that customer service is excellent and more accommodating than other rangerfinder companies.


Downside


A bit of a hassle to pull out of your bag on every approach shot.  I typically zap the flag twice to assure that I have an accurate read.  If there are trees, houses or other objects behind the flag you sometimes will get a yardage for those instead of the flag.  Thus, the double zap to ensure I have a good number.  I wear sunglasses while playing, so, I have to either remove the sunglasses before zapping a flag or hover the rangerfinder over my sunglasses while I wear them.

JC Urbina

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Re: Printed yardage book vs Lazer vs GPS
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2016, 10:16:47 AM »
JHoulihan,


I recommend the yardage book for various reasons but mostly as Alister Mackenzie said in Golf Architecture,


"the average club member is a keen sportsman, he looks upon golf in the Spirit of Adventure"


I prefer the "Spirit of Adventure",  golf courses could be more entertaining if more people treated the game that way.


Try it next year, it may change the way you visualize your next shot and club selection.


Just a thought


Sean_A

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Re: Printed yardage book vs Lazer vs GPS
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2016, 01:24:47 PM »
I keep toying with the idea of a some sort easy to use, lighweight yardage measurement device, not to play faster...I like the speed at which I play, but to get yardages from areas/courses without easily visible markers.  So it wouldn't be an every shot usage for me. To date, all are too expensive so far as I am aware. I rarely use yardage books...pain in the ass..plus they are getting to be expensive. To be honest, I prefer the old fashion system of eye balling off a 150 post, but golf is a game where money buys advantages and most are looking to grab an advantage if they can afford it.  Does anybody play golf based on the amount of money being worn and used?  For instance, for every $25 of out spending your playing partners you have to give up a shot  :P 


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Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Printed yardage book vs Lazer vs GPS
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2016, 01:32:17 PM »
Eyeball the 150 yard marker and estimate (don't pace) the distance from there. I don't like course furniture but I give a pass to this one.

Personally I don't think there should be any other markers on the course, no yardage books, no GPS, no laser.

This is one area I'm almost as militant as dear Melvyn.

Thomas Dai

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Re: Printed yardage book vs Lazer vs GPS
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2016, 01:40:13 PM »
Yardage books become out of date. I have a Bushnell. I won it as a prize. If I hadn't won it I doubt I'd have one.
I sometimes think an iPad with each hole on the screen, a zoon-in facility and with a grid pattern overlying it would be nice (there's probably something akin to this out there already) but my real preference would be for no assistance at all.......eyeball and brain only.
Atb

JJShanley

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Re: Printed yardage book vs Lazer vs GPS
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2016, 01:46:48 PM »
Yardage books become out of date.


I'd agree to an extent.  I've used a Nikon laser the past two seasons, without need for a yardage book, but at the elite amateur and tour pro level (from what I can tell from this lowly position) yardage books have become more and more detailed.  That's before you take into account the maps they use on the greens.

Jerry Kluger

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Re: Printed yardage book vs Lazer vs GPS
« Reply #11 on: December 21, 2016, 02:46:15 PM »
I guess I am in the minority but I find it tedious watching the pro tours where they step off the yardages and then take out their pencils to figure out the yardage and then they have to discuss if the caddie and player come out to the same number and then discuss how far they need to hit it, and if they hit a wayward shot it takes even longer for them to get some idea of how far they are.  Eventually they figure it out so it is just a waste of time.  I have never seen a situation where a player says that he calculated incorrectly and that is why his shot was either long or short. 


I should note that the previous superintendent at my course would paint a circle around the sprinkler heads which were marked with yardages to the front middle and back so you could spot them as you were approaching your ball and this really helped with pace of play.

Thomas Dai

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Re: Printed yardage book vs Lazer vs GPS
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2016, 02:51:24 PM »
I've been told that elite amateur players at national/international level are taught and even examined on how to prepare and use detailed yardage books, the sorts of data to include and the sorts of data to record and how to do so during both practice and tournament rounds.
And these days there are books available detailing the micro-contours on each green of a course where a tournament, sometimes even non-tournaments, are being played. No wonder the players we watch on TV hole so many putts.
What's next I wonder?
Atb


PS - there's a story about Payne Stewart asking his caddy why he always give him full shot yardages that ended in either 0 or 5. The caddy is alleged to have answered that he'd never met a played good enough to play to inbetween yardages. Not sure how long the caddy lasted on PS's bag!


Jay Mickle

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Re: Printed yardage book vs Lazer vs GPS
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2016, 04:46:13 PM »
I've  used a Nikon laser now for about 10 years with about a battery a year. I don't usually use it at my home courses as I have a good idea of distances, the exception may be shorter pitch shots. I am blind in one eye and at these distances my lack of depth perception seems to catch me off guard on occasion so I may choose the laser if there is something riding on the shot.
On away courses I find the laser very useful in ascertaining distances to hazards and obstacles. Where a yardage book or GPS excels is on blind shots. Of course being old and blind in one eye and needing glasses to read out of the other I struggle to read the fine print in the books or on a small screen. I will stick with the laser for shots where I need a distance.
 
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A.G._Crockett

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Re: Printed yardage book vs Lazer vs GPS
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2016, 05:19:44 PM »
I wear a GPS watch when I play my home course; it makes my bag lighter when I carry, it's MUCH faster, plus I already know my layups and which bunkers are or not in play on that course or other very familiar courses.

But when I play an "away" round, I use a laser.  I have run into a couple of situations where a course has undergone work, and the GPS distances for one or two spots on the courses aren't correct.  Not a problem often, but a bummer when it happens.

I'm a geek, so I like 'em both.  But if I was going to go with one or the other, it would be the laser, hands down.
"Golf...is usually played with the outward appearance of great dignity.  It is, nevertheless, a game of considerable passion, either of the explosive type, or that which burns inwardly and sears the soul."      Bobby Jones

Dave McCollum

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Re: Printed yardage book vs Lazer vs GPS
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2016, 08:37:20 AM »
I use gps, an old Skycaddie I just have to glance at anytime I want.  However, I’m not troubled by other methods or just my eyeballs.  One of the first times I saw a laser used by a single that joined us, he used it for every shot, including short chips around the greens.  It slowed us down a lot.  Since then I’ve seen many use them much more efficiently and only when needed.  Yet, I have no doubt they are slower than gps.  When I play without any device, especially on a new venue, it takes a bit more time.  Easily visible markers help and mostly negate these differences.  I like to play enough without any device to practice eyeballing  yardages because, for my game, exact measurements don’t mean much when the breeze is up.  I trust instincts, subconscious calculations and just play shots.

Buck Wolter

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Re: Printed yardage book vs Lazer vs GPS
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2016, 04:54:10 PM »
Sometime this summer I accidentally held the button down too long on my Bushnell Laser and it switched to Meters, I have no idea how long it was until I figured out it that it had changed. Some schadenfreude for the luddittes.
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Ian Mackenzie

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Re: Printed yardage book vs Lazer vs GPS
« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2016, 09:07:10 AM »
I like Jim's comments about not using anything.
Love doing that in casual rounds with my friends. But, we will occasionally use persimmons and blades, too.


However, in more competitive rounds, I use a Bushnell rangefinder. Don't know the model, sorry.
My daughter gave me a Garmin GPS watch last year and I use that when I carry my bag and love it on course I play for the first time. I like knowing yardage to the front of greens also - especially if hitting over a hazard.


BUT, I have found that the watches are accurate +/-  4-5 yards. Have been on a tee of a par 3  at our home curse and, as an example, we will compare yardages of 3 watches and they all show different yardages. Sure, it may not make a huge difference to most players, but it creates doubt for me.


All in all, rangefinders work best for me. They also save time!!




Will Spivey

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Re: Printed yardage book vs Lazer vs GPS
« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2016, 09:43:40 AM »
This summer I bought a Bushnell V2 Laser -- love it.


I actually find that it speeds up play, particularly when playing in a group.  I try to play fast, and I'm often first to a ball (mine or my opponents).  I shoot the distance (even their's), then I ask them if they want the number (yes, I know this is potentially illegal -- these are friendly games, not competition, so sue me).  That saves a TON of time in the round, because most guys waste so much time trying to figure out their distances.


I also really like that I can shoot distances to intermediate targets, hazards, etc.

Wade Whitehead

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Re: Printed yardage book vs Lazer vs GPS
« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2016, 10:00:38 AM »
Lots of GCAers will tell you that they don't use yardage devices or that they pace everything off or that they use bushes/natural features.  This thread makes me wish Melvyn was still an active poster!

When Ballyhack first opened, there were no yardage markers of any kind anywhere on the property.  The first round I played there was devoid of any such assistance and it was a blast.  If you play any competitive golf, though, or if you just want to know a more precise yardage during recreational play, a distance device can really come in handy (and can do a lot to speed up play).

I used a SkyCaddie SG4 (older model, single color display) for a number of years.  It was nice knowing yardages to the front and back of green sites (and the movable "target" allows the user to zero in on a particular pin position).  As others have said, this requires a subscription and the device must be charged (mine had to be charged between rounds).  Every now and then, you may have trouble connecting to GPS satellites and mine required me to download a course before I played it.  When my subscription ran out, I had the few courses I play most often loaded on the device, but it erased itself the day after my subscription expired!

Because I had a gift certificate (and because I was tired of paying the annual fee), I picked up a Precision Pro Nexus range finder.  It's lightweight, doesn't require a subscription (or connection to GPS technology), and gives distance (to 1/10 of a yard!) to just about any object you want.  A nice feature is that is indicates how much battery life remains; this seems like a no-brainer, but many models don't and I've known lots of players whose batteries have died in the middle of a round (or golf trip) with no warning at all.  It's also much easier to figure cover distance to bunkers and other features when you need.

My device doesn't account for slope, and I don't want that feature, but you can find it in lots of models.  That extension is generally non-confirming, however, for tournament play.

Another benefit of the laser (versus GPS) is that it can make practice more productive (since you're able to establish distances to targets on any range or facility).

I use a printed yardage book for maps of greens and other notes but I'm generally referring to it when waiting for others to play.  It can be a great way to record topographic information, contours, whether a shot plays longer or shorter than expected, etc.  It's also a great way to know green depth if you're otherwise unfamiliar.

There are apps that combine many of these features, but I find that they guys who use them tend to do all sorts of other things on their phones during the round, too.

I think all of this impacts architecture in a major way.  The modern designer must anticipate players who have a wealth of information, which can negate lots of visual effects and illusions that had more effect as recently as a couple of decades ago.

Hope this helps.

WW
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Ian Andrew

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Re: Printed yardage book vs Lazer vs GPS
« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2016, 10:01:33 AM »



I carry a Bushnell Ghost - GPS - about 2 x 2 x 1/2"
Provides distances to the front middle back - stays in my pocket


Funny enough, I don't use it in the fairway
I use it when I'm really wayward so I don't have to call to my partners for yardages.
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Jerry Kluger

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Re: Printed yardage book vs Lazer vs GPS
« Reply #21 on: December 23, 2016, 10:35:49 AM »
I understand that if you use the slope feature then you cannot even post your score for handicap purposes. 

Michael Felton

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Re: Printed yardage book vs Lazer vs GPS
« Reply #22 on: December 26, 2016, 10:35:49 AM »
I have a Leupold GX-3i. It's great for figuring out yardages to the flag and to lips of bunkers, trees and the like. Where GPS wins is if you play a course with blind shots or if you want to know how far it is to reach bunkers. Can't really do that well with a laser. If you know the course, then the laser is best. If you don't and it's not all out in front of you, I think GPS has its benefits.


When I play at my home course, they have 150 posts and I tend to just eyeball it based on that/the flag and how big it looks. Like the pros used to do pre-Jack.


To tie this a little bit to architecture, it's interesting to me how the little visual tricks that architects employ to make you think you should play in a particular direction still work. I can know how long a carry is to the inch and I can know that I can't make it, but if it looks like I can, I find myself drawn in that direction anyway.

Jon Wiggett

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Re: Printed yardage book vs Lazer vs GPS
« Reply #23 on: December 27, 2016, 03:03:18 AM »
When playing for money (pro tournament) then I use a yardage book for the additional info you can fit in it. Otherwise, I use the 150 markers and eyeball it as it is way much more fun. I feel that the more aides the golfer is given the less fun the game becomes and though the golfer may not know why he/she will notice the lesser enjoyment which just adds to the reasons golf is losing in popularity.
Lasers/gps should be banned in my book.


Jon

archie_struthers

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Re: Printed yardage book vs Lazer vs GPS
« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2016, 07:47:32 AM »
 :o




As to tour pros using books and talking incessantly chatting with their looper re:yardage.  First it's still illegal on the major  tours.  Secondly I think the new generation is much more into the "team concept " than in prior years.  Thus the seemingly endless verbiage has become part of th dare shot routine for many pros.

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