[Mike Nuzzo]

One can be found with a web search, who are the others?

This image is on http://www.tomdrauschak.com/ from the Bellwood/logo thread.
Cheers

[Scott Weersing]

Hmmmm, going back in time.


I would say


Coore and Crenshaw, because they were just getting started with Sand Hills
Stephen Kay, the links of North Dakota was being built,  http://www.thelinksofnorthdakota.com/aboutus/


Looking forward to seeing the final list.

[Pete_Pittock]

based on the cover of the magazine, Tom Doak

[Scott Sander]

I'll bite.

Strantz
Liddy
Engh
Fry
Doak

[Scott Weersing]

I was going to say Strantz too but he was not really minimalist back in 1994. He came from the Fazio group where moving lots of dirt was their thing.

[Anthony_Nysse]

I was going to say Strantz too but he was not really minimalist back in 1994. He came from the Fazio group where moving lots of dirt was their thing.

Butttt....he has just opened Caledonia and was rated 5th Best New public.

[Scott Sander]

Not sure those are the same story.
(At least I hope not. Otherwise my Engh guess is going to look awfully silly.)

[Tom_Doak]

Mike:  great timing for that old cover: I was back at Stonewall today to speak at the players' dinner for the U.S. Mid-Amateur, which is being played here.

I think somehow I wasn't one of the six young architects covered in that piece, because I was too old (at 33!) or something.  And I don't think Ron went with Gil Hanse, who helped build Stonewall, either.  At least they got the cover right!

I was reflecting today on the north course, which was shaped by Brian Schneider, Kye Goalby, Eric Iverson, Brian Slawnik, Bruce Hepner and Kyle Franz.  I'll bet you those six guys have done as much as whoever were the six guys of '94.

[Kevin_Reilly]

Bill Love is one guess. 

[Mike_Trenham]

 At least they got the cover right!

Tom, I think the cover is a bit ironic, as the 8th hole probably required the most ground work of any of the 18, although I get the idea what you needed to change was not 100% untouched before you got there.

[Tom_Doak]

 At least they got the cover right!

Tom, I think the cover is a bit ironic, as the 8th hole probably required the most ground work of any of the 18, although I get the idea what you needed to change was not 100% untouched before you got there.

Mike:  you're right about that part; I remember teasing Ron Whitten that his cover photo was the single hole where I'd moved the most dirt, up to that point in my career.  Writers seldom get to pick what photos go with their piece (or the title).

For that matter, I don't think we moved as much dirt building the entire North course as we did on the 8th hole of the Old course!

[Jeff_Brauer]

One hint....

When I was going through my mother's effects a few years ago, she had kept a copy all those years.

[Mike Nuzzo]

1 has been correctly identified.
Cheers

[Brian Finn]

3 guesses...

Keith Foster

Brian Silva

Mike Devries

[Kalen Braley]

Art Hills and Rees Jones!! 

[Jeff_Brauer]

I just located it among the clutter of my home office.  I actually only have the page where I am featured and the others I have on that page are Craig Shreiner, John Harbottle and Bill Love.  I recall one other was Steve Smyers, posing with a Florida Gator, leaving one more to discover....... We are all 22 years closer to retirement, and John has passed on.

[Tom_Doak]

3 guesses...

Keith Foster

Brian Silva

Mike Devries

Mike was back in grad school in '94, after working at Black Forest.  All of the guys Jeff named are ASGCA approved, so I'd guess the missing man is, too.

[JC Urbina]

Jeff


I will be curious how this thread evolves,all of the above mentioned contributed something to the game of golf.  Sadly my friend John Harbottle passed on,  we worked together for a short period of time


Mike,


Were you hoping,   "To see where they are now" or to get reaction from this panel of golf aficionados if the article was predicting the future of golf design from past trends.


I have studied the evolution of Golf course design through old Golf illustrated magazines as well as American Golfer and it is amazing the acceptance of design theories in golf design over the last 125 years.  The article you refer to is but one small snap shot of design in the lexicon of American golf architecture .


Were about ready to move into the next evolution of an old design theories.
 

[Mike Nuzzo]

JC
I didn't know the answers prior to posting that picture. The cover image was found by researching something from another thread.
I was hoping to get the answers.
And it would be interesting to see how the architects have done in the last 20 years and how well Golf World prognosticated.


Ron Whitten kindly forwarded me the entire article.
And Jeff proved he can read.


Bill Love was the first correct answer by Kevin
Keith Foster was 2nd guessed by Brian


Brauer spilled the beans on himself, Smyers, Harbottle, and Schreiner.


So I would say Golf World did pretty good in that they are all working to some degree, or would still all be in business if not for the unfortunate too soon loss of Harbottle.

[Peter Pallotta]

Jeff - first, congratulations. Longevity in the business is not the only measure of success, but it sure is one of them (and an important/significant one at that).

Mike - without even knowing who the six were, my first thought was that these type of lists (whether about actors or musicians or architects or writers etc) tend to feature youngsters who a) have already done some noteworthy work and b) have thus shown their promise and talent; but it is striking how so many of these kinds of lists (and I'm not suggesting this list is one of them) end up proving, 20-30 years later, that talent is not enough. In my own vocation I learned that lesson slowly and painfully -- talent is just one ingredient for long term success, and very likely not even the most important one.     

JC - that sounds like a very astute approach to studying your chosen field/profession, i.e. through the chroniclers of that profession, and watching for trends (and how they emerge and are reported on)

[Jeff_Brauer]

"And Jeff proved he can read"    (yes, I went to school long enough ago that they still taught reading comprehension......


Pete,


Thanks.  In the article, I was wearing my newly issued Wild Wing Avocet shirt, my first course to get a place (squeeked in at 10) on the GD Best New Lists, so I think your theory was correct at least in part. Not sure what the others were working on.  Perhaps the most interesting is Keith Foster, who morphed from a new course guy to more of a restoration specialist, hence rebooting his career at least once.


On the other hand, if your "talent is not enough" theory was correct, you would think one or more of us would have fallen completely off the face of the earth by chance, no?  I would have to noodle on that one.


For that matter, life just isn't fair. John was in as good a shape as any of us and has the heart attack?  By all rights, that should not have been him, and (knock on wood) it might be that I was the most likely candidate for such a demise......


JC,


Would be interested, perhaps in another thread, about the new directions you think golf architecture is taking right now and in the near future.  I think about those things, in terms of "form follows function" and designing for the retail customer, and the only trends I could see from carrying those items out to their logical conclusion is that future design would not hold much interest to this group!

[Peter Pallotta]

Jeff - you're right that my theory doesn't seem to apply in this case, and so maybe I'm way off base. But I've seen many such lists that suggest, to me at least, that while talent sure helps other factors like business acumen and timing and communication skills/salesmanship and circumstances and connections and character/personal failings/set backs all contribute as much to long term success as the talent itself, maybe even more. I guess another way to say this: I used to think that talent was ALL it took, but it isn't.

And yes, life constantly surprises (for both good and ill).  I'm sorry for your loss. Someone nearest and dearest to me was diagnosed with cancer last year - she of a lifetime of eating kale and drinking distilled water and practicing yoga and hours/days out walking in nature; while it instead could so easily have been and should've been, knock wood, her lug-nut of a partner (me), who once, after having gained too much weight from too much drinking, was thinking of a patent for his subsequent (and very successful) weight-loss regime: i.e. nothing but coffee and cigarettes, and near constant worry.       

[Jeff_Brauer]

Peter,

I don't disagree that it requires more than talent.  I work with a guy in a related field who just doesn't have the people skills to do well, and generally doesn't.  I am quite sure my sales skills are below par, and yet I have designed over 50 new courses (most nowhere near classics, but new courses nonetheless) while some of my similarly aged brethren in ASGCA have done a third of that or less.  I don't ask why, I just keep trying to improve.

[Tom_Doak]

I have designed over 50 new courses (most nowhere near classics, but new courses nonetheless) while some of my similarly aged brethren in ASGCA have done a third of that or less.  I don't ask why, I just keep trying to improve.

Jeff:


What age were you when you designed your first course on your own?  I see that as a good indicator of how many you'll wind up doing, the same way it is in baseball, where a 23-year-old rookie doesn't project to anywhere near the same career as a 19-year-old.

[Niall C]

JC,


Would be interested, perhaps in another thread, about the new directions you think golf architecture is taking right now and in the near future.  I think about those things, in terms of "form follows function" and designing for the retail customer, and the only trends I could see from carrying those items out to their logical conclusion is that future design would not hold much interest to this group!

Jeff

I'd also be interested in hearing Jim's take on where architecture is likely to go in the future, and for that matter I'd like to hear yours as well. Maybe you could start the new thread.

Cheers

Niall

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