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Ken Fry

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A Question for You Research Buffs
« on: February 05, 2016, 10:01:52 PM »
We obviously have a number of people with significant experience performing extensive research on course histories.  To these people I have the following question:

If you're researching a golf course that no longer exists and the location of the course has been converted to another use (i.e. neighborhood, park, etc.) is there somewhere within the local municipality to find information on the project?

I'm aware of at least two course locations in South Bend, IN that are now both old, established neighborhoods, one of which sat just outside the current downtown area.  I'd like to find out more information about how and when the courses were built and their demise.  These courses would predate any historical aerials so that option does not exist.

Thanks!

Ken

Joe Bausch

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Re: A Question for You Research Buffs
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2016, 10:21:27 PM »
I would first check to see what the local township/city/county historical society has to offer.  Frequently there are history geeks at those places that can really help out.
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Nigel Islam

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Re: A Question for You Research Buffs
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2016, 12:14:13 AM »
Ken wasn't the oldest course in Indiana in South Bend?

Joe Bausch

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Re: A Question for You Research Buffs
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2016, 06:52:40 AM »
What are the names of these former courses?
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BCrosby

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Re: A Question for You Research Buffs
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2016, 09:09:44 AM »
Ken -


I am surprised how much of the past is simply lost. NLE golf courses are good examples. Several years ago I tried to sort out old golf courses in Athens, GA.


I have learned since that that circa 1910 there were three in existence. (Which is amazing for a town as small as Athens at the time.) There was, however nothing on them at local historical societies. Recreations like golf weren't covered. I might have gone through old newspaper archives, but they were deteriorating, disorganized and, worse, it would have meant weeks of turning brittle yellow pages, time I did not have.


Much of what I eventually learned was by happenstance. I found some references (and a single photo) to the NLE courses in digital copies of golf magazines just then coming online, current stories about neighborhoods and from a couple of old golfers from the area. I'm still not sure if I have the story right.


(Interestingly retired UGA Coach Vince Dooley's house sits on what was once a green platform of the NLE 'Cloverhurst' course.)


In any event, good luck and given 'em hell. Whatever you find, you are in for an adventure. Hopefully a fun one. Let us know what you find.


Bob


 

Alfie Ward

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Re: A Question for You Research Buffs
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2016, 09:36:13 AM »
Ken,


Had you been in Scotland I could advise better.
Any archive is a good archive for investigation and in our digital age a great deal of your research can probably be done from the comfort of your home !
USGA / University links should be forthcoming from some kind person on here ? Early US golf magazines and local newspapers for example. The late Tom MacWood would have been your man  :'(
If you have a rough idea where the course was located, you might try asking local farmers on a door knocking exercise. Elderly residents in the vicinity too.
Google maps are fantastic for locating a modern view of an old golf course site - providing you have a little info to help you ?


It's a minefield, but you'll love it, especially if you nail it !


Alfie


Ken Fry

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Re: A Question for You Research Buffs
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2016, 08:02:48 PM »
Thanks for the replies gentlemen.

I don't know the names of either course.  For those familiar with South Bend or interested in looking at Google Earth, one course was located in what is now the Sunnymede neighborhood location.  That neighborhood is located just east of downtown near Jefferson Boulevard.

The other location stems from a story I constantly kick myself about.  Back in 1998, we were preparing to open The Warren Course at Notre Dame.  I had an older gentleman come into my office one day with a cardboard drawing depicting a golf course in the area.  He didn't know where the course was located but he hoped to preserve the drawing thinking it had historical significance to golf in the area.  He passed it on to me for safe keeping.

I would stare at that drawing trying to figure out its location.  It had a creek running through it.  Roadways defining its borders.  I knew it didn't exist anymore but I couldn't figure out where it was.  I finally thought I had the location figured out which put it just east of The Warren Course across Ironwood Drive.  As I explored the area, the creek and roadway locations wouldn't match up.  After months of trying to figure this map out, I found the location.  It was just east of The Warren Course, but south of the location I originally thought.  Now everything on the map made sense.  The exciting part of it all was the map showed the layout of the course.  Most of the property is private land covered with homes but the creek does run through it.  Could there be old land forms to support this find?

Well, the course opened and things got a little busy.  The drawing sat in my office for months as other responsibilities took over.  One day I couldn't find the drawing.  I think someone trying to get trash out of my office removed the drawing never to be seen again.

All this created an itch I just have to scratch.

Ken

Joe Bausch

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Re: A Question for You Research Buffs
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2016, 08:31:41 PM »
So these two courses go how far back?  Before the 30s?  I think there are 1939 aerials for the county of St. Joseph:


https://igs.indiana.edu/IHAPI/
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Sven Nilsen

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Re: A Question for You Research Buffs
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2016, 08:54:27 PM »
Ken:


Here are a few fairly old courses from South Bend:


Coquillard GC (1926)
Erskine Park Municipal GC (1925)
South Bend CC (Pre-1900)
South Bend CC fka Sunnyside CC aka Chain O'Lakes GC (1916)
CC of St. Joseph Valley (1900)
Studebaker Municipal GC (1929)


You might be able to find out a bit more information on the locations of these courses in the Harpers Guides or the Annual Guides, all accessible through SEGL.


Sven



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Ken Fry

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Re: A Question for You Research Buffs
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2016, 10:27:30 PM »
Ken:


Here are a few fairly old courses from South Bend:


Coquillard GC (1926)
Erskine Park Municipal GC (1925)
South Bend CC (Pre-1900)
South Bend CC fka Sunnyside CC aka Chain O'Lakes GC (1916)
CC of St. Joseph Valley (1900)
Studebaker Municipal GC (1929)


You might be able to find out a bit more information on the locations of these courses in the Harpers Guides or the Annual Guides, all accessible through SEGL.


Sven

Sven,

Thanks for the info.  Most of the above courses you have listed all still exist except two:  Sunnyside and CC of St. Joe Valley.  If I'm not mistaken, Sunnyside was the course that use to sit in the Sunnymede neighborhood.  CC of St. Joe Valley has me really confused.  I've never heard reference of it and what the heck is Somielgo, Indiana?  Apparently the course was located 7 miles east of South Bend.  That would put it around Mishawaka, IN.

As for the others, Coquillard became Morris Park CC.  Chain O' Lakes is South Bend Country Club but I was not aware of any South Bend CC existing prior to 1916.  Erskine and Studebaker are both municipal courses still in existence.

Joe,

As mentioned above, these courses existed around 1900 but not long after.  Because of the time frame they existed, that's what lead me to think something within the local government offices may provide information to their existence.

Ken

Jim_Kennedy

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Re: A Question for You Research Buffs
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2016, 10:59:03 PM »
Ken,

I found one reference for Somielgo and it wasn't a town, it was a cup that was played for at the St Joseph Valley CC.

A wild guess - the name for the cup, and the players involved, came from the towns in close proximity to one another.
SOuth Bend,
MIddlebury,
ELkhart, 
GOshen.
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Joe Bausch

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Re: A Question for You Research Buffs
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2016, 09:30:50 AM »
(let's see if this is strike three!)

Maybe some old-fashioned scouring of old newspapers is in order. 

Using the Chronicling America site, here are South Bend newspapers available around 1900:

http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/search/titles/results/?state=Indiana&county=Saint+Joseph&city=South+Bend&year1=1900&year2=1910&terms=&frequency=&language=&ethnicity=&labor=&material_type=&lccn=&rows=20

I wonder if the South Bend Tribune will be your friend?
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Nigel Islam

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Re: A Question for You Research Buffs
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2016, 10:19:45 AM »
Ken, I think there is a description of South Bend CC in Harpers circa 1901 that I tried to find on the map. I don't it coincides with the current CC. I spent about a half hour one day as I was trying to figure out what the oldest course in Indiana was.

Jim_Kennedy

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Re: A Question for You Research Buffs
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2016, 03:18:10 PM »
Ken,

Here are some bits about the CC of St. Joseph.

This one's from The Indianapolis Star, 9 Sep 1903, Wed, Page 5



This is from The Bristol Banner, 7 Jul 1911, Fri, Page 1 



A couple other articles place the location on the river at either 4 or 6 miles from South Bend. That roughly coincides with the tract of land at the right hand edge of this map, labeled "Country Club". Today it's the site of Eberhard-Petro Muni, and the section of the course that lies on the SW side of the St. Joseph River matches the 65 acres spoken of in the article. EPMGC opened as a nine hole course in 1929. Possible that they used the existing corridors.
 
http://www.historicmapworks.com/Map/US/23998/South+Bend+and+Mishawaka+Cities+++Street+Map/
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Ken Fry

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Re: A Question for You Research Buffs
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2016, 05:13:29 PM »
You guys are ridiculous.  This is why I asked my question here.  It may sound elementary to you but finding the resources to be able to provide the information you guys have found so far is tough for someone starting out.  One clue can open the floodgates.

Nigel,

As far as the first country club in Indiana, I provide two explanations from Woodstock Club and the Country Club of Indianapolis.

From Woodstock Club:

Presented by the Woodstock Historical Foundation, Founders of Woodstock Club
 
 The history of golf at Woodstock has its origins in the Indianapolis Country Club on this site. Golf was introduced to Indianapolis in 1896 at Country Club. Alvin S. Lockard, a prominent figure in Indianapolis society, made a trip around the world and saw golf played for the first time in India. Lockard was told by an Englishman to buy a “Badminton” upon his arrival in London, which would give the rules and regulations of the game. This Lockard did and, upon arrival home, he got a set of clubs and balls through Charles Mayer & Company. Another version of the story had him buying practice balls and a set of clubs in England. In 1896, Lockard, along with Phil Watson, J.A. Barnard, and Robert Martindale, laid out two holes of golf at Country Club and charged players $5 annually to use the “course”. The following spring, in 1897, the four men built a nine-hole, 2400-yard course in the field adjoining Country Club, with Lockard apparently assuming much of the cost of the course expansion. It was one of the earliest golf courses built west of the Appalachians. Only Country Club members were allowed to play the course. Interestingly, the golf club seems to have been an independent organization and yet still a part of the club. Golf players had to have Country Club membership and had the privileges of the clubhouse. The Club had authority over the golf field from 1896 until 1899 because it leased the forty to fifty acres which the course occupied. However, starting in 1899, the golf club paid the lease rental for the land which left only the first and last holes on Country Club territory, thus increasing the authority of the golf club operation over its course. The old farmhouse that was used as the first clubhouse on the site had an enclosed bowling alley that was converted into a locker house. The Club also built a pro shop and Arthur Tweedy, a junior amateur champion of Great Britain, came to Country Club from England about 1900. He was the first golf professional in the State of Indiana. After Tweedy, the Club brought a succession of Scots to the position. Led by Francis Herd, President of Country Club, golfers from private clubs in seven cities around the state founded the Indiana Golf Association (IGA) on 11 September 1900 and scheduled their first state tournament on 11-13 October 1900 at Country Club.
 
 James P. Fadely, Ph.D




From Country Club of Indianapolis:


[/size]OUR CCI HERITAGE
The Country Club of Indianapolis was born more than 120 years ago on June 4, 1891. It was the first country club in the city and among the earliest in the nation.

Those who formed the club were prominent social and industrial figures in the thriving city of 40,000. Incorporators and members of the first Board of Directors were Chapin C. Foster, William L. Elder, William J. Richards, Ferdinand L. Mayer, William H. Coleman, Charles F. Sayles, Charles E. Collins, Cortland VanCamp, and Horace Bennett.

A remodeled farmhouse where the Woodstock Club is now situated served as the first clubhouse.

It burned November 4, 1904 and was rebuilt only to burn again later.

Back then, a day at the club was a full day. Members took a streetcar from downtown to Mapleton (which now is Illinois Street and Maple Road) for the first leg of the journey. Then they were picked up by the club's "carry-all", a wagon-like vehicle with seats along the sides for the last lap of the trip.

Originally, it was not golf, but tennis and enclosed bowling in the clubhouse that attracted members.

Golf Comes to CCI
In 1897, a distinguished member, Alvin S. Lockard, toured the world and discovered golf in India. The popular Scottish game had been introduced there by the British. Mr. Lockard was attracted to the game, and upon his return to Indianapolis, purchased a set of "sticks" and balls from Charles Mayer & Co.

Two golf holes were constructed, and an annual fee of $1 was charged to interested members.

Later, as the popularity of golf increased, enough ground was leased for a 9-hole course. Mr. Lockard assumed most of the expense.

The enclosed bowling alley was converted into a locker room. A shop was built to accommodate Arthur Tweedy, Indiana's first golf professional, who arrived here in 1900 from England where he had been Great Britain's Junior Amateur Champion.

The Decision to Move
There was not enough land to expand the 9-hole course, and when the clubhouse burned the second time, a decision was made to buy land far enough from the city to warrant the name "Country Club".

In September 1909, CCI President Roscoe Hawkins was directed by the Board to appoint a committee of five members to consider, select and recommend a site for the new club.

While the committee sought a location, the members voted 218-18 on January 6, 1912 to sell the existing club, investigate the acquisition of a new site, the erection of new buildings and construction of a golf course.

By the spring of 1912, the committee had narrowed its choice to two sites considered adequate for the Club's purposes.

A Chicago golf architect, Tom Bendelow, was hired to inspect the sites and offer his opinion as to which was more desirable.

The result was the present site, then known as "Barnhill Farm," a tract of land consisting of 154 acres (plus), located on Crawfordsville Road approximately 8 miles west of the center of Indianapolis.

On June 12, 1912, the land was purchased for $250 an acre for a total of $38,522. A deed was delivered to the club with the first mortgage payment due on September 5, 1912.

Building the New Club
A month later, on July 8, 1912, the Board authorized President Samuel D. Miller to appoint a general committee to investigate the construction of buildings, tennis courts, a golf course and to do whatever else was necessary to complete and equip the new property for the use of the Club.

First, the general committee had to raise funds to start the project. Sale of the old property netted $50,298.05 (a sale price of $82,000 less an existing mortgage and interest charges). Sixty Life Memberships were offered for $1,000 each. Fifty-nine were sold.

In March 1913, the architectural firm of R. P. Daggart & Co. was retained to submit plans for the clubhouse, a caddie house and servants' cottage.

The plans were adopted that summer, and contracts were let. Work began in the fall of 1913 and was completed by August 1, 1914.

Also Nigel, the Harpers Guide of 1901 shows the St. Joe Valley CC that Jim has referenced but no mention of any other golf courses in South Bend.  Is that the one you are referencing?



Jim,

Tremendous finds!  Please tell me your resource.  I found myself on HistoricMapWorks.com but not showing what you found.  St. Joe Valley CC did in fact sit where some of the front nine of the current Eberhart-Petro Golf Course now sits.  From their website:

"Aptly named after its founders, George Eberhart and Mason Petro, Eberhart-Petro Municipal Golf Course is a very unique golf course. First opened in 1929 with the first nine holes on the south side of the St. Joe River then expanding to 18 holes in 1949 which includes four river crossings. This may be the most well-manicured municipal golf course you will ever play, and probably the toughest 6,000 yard par 70 golf course in the Midwest. Built on only 89 acres, Eberhart-Petro will challenge every level of golfer from beginner to the most seasoned player. We invite you to come experience one of Mishawaka’s finest assets – Eberhart-Petro Municipal Golf Course."

From the map you referenced, the neighborhoods did spread north a few more blocks from 1911 to 1928.  The club certainly didn't have a very long lifespan.   I'm going to head down to the area soon and see if the original clubhouse might still be in the area.

Thanks again guys!

Ken

Joe Bausch

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Re: A Question for You Research Buffs
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2016, 07:23:40 PM »
Newpapers.com says a 'south bend country club' has been organized in 1900.  And a 1902 article says it is up and going with a golf course located near Mishawaka on the St. Joseph's river.
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Bill_McBride

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Re: A Question for You Research Buffs
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2016, 08:37:03 PM »
One of the great resources is the array of aerial photos from the Dallin archives.  I forget where they are located, someone will know.  You can superimpose over a Google Earth image and see where the courses on the aerials from the '30's sat.  I got some 1938 aerial photos of our course in Pensacola, they were amazingly evocative of what the old course looked like.

Jim_Kennedy

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Re: A Question for You Research Buffs
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2016, 08:41:48 PM »
Joe,
I think that SBCC and St Joseph might be one and the same, with the name progressing from SBCC to SJVCC. Their clubhouses are literally the same building, right down to the flagpole.
Maybe the name change was done to broaden the appeal, as the draw was from South Bend, Middlebury, Elkhart, and Goshen. 





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Ken Fry

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Re: A Question for You Research Buffs
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2016, 09:28:35 PM »
Here's the irony.

The property in Mishawaka was home to St. Joe Valley Country Club.  They were founded in 1900 with a 9 hole course on 65 acres.  The land was sold in 1911 for development.

Miami Country Club was opened in May, 1916.  On the same property.  The photo Jim provided identified as the St. Joe Valley Clubhouse is either that building or sat nearby.  The Eberhart Mansion was built on the same bluff overlooking the golf course.  The club closed in 1920 when it was purchased by Fredrick George Eberhart.  The following is from their website:

The Eberhart Mansion One of the South Bend area's finest historic homes, the private residence known as the Eberhart Mansion is rich in Mishawaka history and tradition.
The home is located on what was once part of the Miami Country Club in Mishawaka. Industrialist Frederick George Eberhart purchased the entire golf course in the 1920s, donating the course to the city but keeping a choice plot of land for his own use. The property he retained overlooked the golf course and contained the original clubhouse. To build his new residence, Eberhart commissioned the prominent architectural firm, Austin & Shambleau. The home was designed in the Colonial Revival style and was built using bricks fired specially for the project by the Old Virginia Brick company in Salem, Virginia. In the most recent city survey of historic sites and structures, the home was awarded the highest level of historic significance, "outstanding."
Designed in 1929 and occupied in 1931, the Eberhart Mansion has had an interesting history. After the Eberharts, an auto dealer, Freeman Yeager, occupied the home. In the 1960s,  School City of Mishawaka purchased the property and, for a period of years, used it as their administration building. In 1984, the property was sold to developer Jack Hickey, who built new homes on the available acreage and allowed the property to be used as the 1985 South Bend Symphony Show House.


I found in the Indianapolis paper that South Bend Country Club was incorporated January 25, 1900.  I'm unaware of them having a golf course until 1916 when the existing course was founded and built.


Sunnyside Golf Club was opened September 28, 1901 just east of downtown South Bend.  I'm still trying to pinpoint it's exact location and date of demise.
Ken
 
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Joe Bausch

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Re: A Question for You Research Buffs
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2016, 09:35:14 PM »
One of the great resources is the array of aerial photos from the Dallin archives.  I forget where they are located, someone will know.  You can superimpose over a Google Earth image and see where the courses on the aerials from the '30's sat.  I got some 1938 aerial photos of our course in Pensacola, they were amazingly evocative of what the old course looked like.


The Dallin photos are at the Hagley Museum and I'm pretty certain Victor didn't fly out to Indiana!
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Sven Nilsen

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Re: A Question for You Research Buffs
« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2016, 10:00:32 PM »
A few old articles on the courses noted in this thread.

St. Joseph Valley -

June 1900 Golf Magazine




Dec. 1900 Golf Magazine -



1902 Official Golf Guide -



April 1905 Golfers Magazine -

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Sven Nilsen

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Re: A Question for You Research Buffs
« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2016, 10:05:37 PM »
Jan. 1916 American Golfer discussing the plans for the Studebaker course and the use of the old country club at Mishawaka.

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Sven Nilsen

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Re: A Question for You Research Buffs
« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2016, 10:14:59 PM »
Erskine Park

Aug. 1925 Golf Illustrated -




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Sven Nilsen

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Re: A Question for You Research Buffs
« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2016, 10:20:39 PM »
Pretty sure that what I referenced as the circa 1900 South Bend CC earlier in the thread is the same as the St. Joseph Valley course.  I suspect that the reference comes from the 1900 Harper's Report, and in the 1901 Harper's Report they had the name properly identified.

Sven

Edit:

Here's the 1900 Harper's citation:


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Jim_Kennedy

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« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2016, 10:21:04 PM »
Sven,
Maybe Ken will post a couple of the references I sent to him about the Miami Country Club golf course that was located on the same site in 1919. The street where Ken believes the old clubhouse was located is named Miami Club Drive.


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