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Ronald Montesano

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Pick a sport: tennis, baseball, football, cricket, wrestling, hockey, basketball, world football, cycling


In each one, players compete directly against, and impact the play of, the opponent. While we have match play in golf, we eliminated our final opportunity to directly impact an opponent when the stymie was eliminated.


It's not the playing the surface of any of these sports that draws attention, except when Henry Aaron was on a career home run-record chase and the left field fence in Fulton County stadium was brought in to increase his output.


No one travels to see tennis court, a baseball diamond, a football field, an ice hockey rink, a cricket pitch, for the uniqueness of the playing area itself. They come to see Green Monsters and Ivy Walls, they journey to see what surrounds the playing field, but not the field itself. They cannot recreate for themselves what happened on that ice, grass, turf, pavement; chances are excellent that they might not even have access to set foot on the playing surface, as it is off-limits for the public.


Wags and wag fans don't sniffle about playing surfaces in other sports unless the momentary conditions (sloppy ice, muddy soil, poorly-laid turf) are such that the contest was impacted.


Home teams exist in all other sports, and within the general rules of the sport, the home company sets up the terrain to benefit its team. Despite this opportunity, no team commits an egregious offense against the laws of the land, even the New England Patriots.


Dimensions for playing fields of other sports remain consistent. This many feet, meters, yards from there to here, and back again.


What sports besides golf don't involve direct contact/interaction/intimidation? Gymnastics comes to mind. Are there others?


Having delineated all this, I return to the impact of direct human competition as the answer to why technology hasn't impacted other sports in the manner it has golf: danger. In baseball and (I suppose, I don't know the sport well enough) cricket, a ball is pitched and batted. If 22nd century alloys were infused into the bats, endangering the lives of pitchers and other players, the public-relations nightmare that would ensue would murder the sport. Same goes for hockey and tennis; if sticks and rackets were enhanced with components that substantially and dangerously elevated the pace of the shot, to the point of threat of loss of life, bye-bye hockey and tennis.


Since golf possesses no direct targeting of opponent, it is free to expand its arsenal of equipment as far as it likes. If they will buy it, we the equipment company will build it. Which sport has non-professionals playing it into their 20s, 30s. 40s all the way to 100s of years? My suspicion is that golf trumps all other sports as we age. Completely connected to age is purchasing power, but let's hook'em while they're young and then they will continue to buy our brand as they age (as long as we contract Tom Watson when he's 65 and 70 and 75 and 80...)


As long as a golf course has teeing grounds (minimum 18) and putting greens with holes (same number) it can be called a golf course. A baseball diamond with five bases, a hockey rink with two center lines, a wrestling mat made out of slippery, congealed gravy, are not diamonds, rinks nor mats.


And, as long as humans continue to explore the outer reaches of inventiveness, the resulting technologies will find their way into golf and golf course new builds will be longer and stronger, and courses built for previous resulting technologies will stand pat and say that enough is enough, or they will adapt, modify, transform, revise or diversify, in the name of keeping up. Golf course architecture and golf equipment: which tail wags which dog?
« Last Edit: January 16, 2016, 10:19:34 AM by Ronald Montesano »
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: What If Golf Were Human Against Human, And Not Human Against Course?
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2016, 10:25:21 AM »
I'm going to use as simple an example as possible: The cheers at Augusta during the Masters. Golf is human against human even in stroke play. If you are ever just playing the course you are playing with yourself.

Steve Lang

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Re: What If Golf Were Human Against Human, And Not Human Against Course?
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2016, 10:27:31 AM »
 8)  Ron,


I understand Lord's Cricket Grounds is pretty interesting, they even give walking tours!





I always find that a first tee belly bump is pure sport.. man'o v man'o during buddy golf... mental and full contact physical intimidation
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: What If Golf Were Human Against Human, And Not Human Against Course?
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2016, 10:27:44 AM »
You have fans and cheering in all sports. It's not an example of human against human.


Tiger Woods didn't go up to Chris DiMarco and physically impact him when he holed the chip shot at Augusta.
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: What If Golf Were Human Against Human, And Not Human Against Course?
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2016, 10:36:26 AM »
Even in track you rarely touch the opponent but his actions influence yours. One of the oddest things is world class athletes needing a "rabbit" to pace the first few laps of a race. Why doesn't a coach yelling splits work as well? Because humans as animals love to chase other humans instead of a clock, or par.  In golf how your opponent is playing plays a vital role in how you respond. It is much more like tennis than you obviously know.

Peter Pallotta

Re: What If Golf Were Human Against Human, And Not Human Against Course?
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2016, 10:40:42 AM »
A good mini-essay, Ron, and well written - thanks.

Keep it in your back-pocket: it would make an excellent introduction to a collection of your essays and/or course reviews.

In terms of what it brings to mind: as others in the past have noted, the game/sport is more like a fly fishing competition than it is like football -- one fellow working the river (a sometimes shallower, sometimes deeper river; sometimes fast moving and sometimes slower) in this way, and the other fellow working the river in that way, and nothing either of them can do can "impact" the other.

Peter   

Ronald Montesano

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Re: What If Golf Were Human Against Human, And Not Human Against Course?
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2016, 10:41:30 AM »
That is an excellent point and a sport to be added to my list of golf and gymnastics. While there is jostling in track and cycling, it is certainly frowned upon and often penalized.


Perhaps the closest sport to golf, thanks to your lead, John, would be field events. Discus, hammer throw, shot put, javelin...you know who your opponents are, but you alone hit the shot/toss the lead.


We do love to chase.
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BCowan

Re: What If Golf Were Human Against Human, And Not Human Against Course?
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2016, 10:53:18 AM »
Even in track you rarely touch the opponent but his actions influence yours. One of the oddest things is world class athletes needing a "rabbit" to pace the first few laps of a race. Why doesn't a coach yelling splits work as well? Because humans as animals love to chase other humans instead of a clock, or par.  In golf how your opponent is playing plays a vital role in how you respond. It is much more like tennis than you obviously know.

that is brilliant.  So when Tiger was ahead in all those tourney.  He was chasing Jack in his mind???  I've been going about all wrong for the longest time...

John Kavanaugh

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Re: What If Golf Were Human Against Human, And Not Human Against Course?
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2016, 10:55:39 AM »
Remember when Minnesota Fats took the time to clean up and present himself as a confident winner at the end of his match in the Hustler? He might as well gut punched his opponent. Lord knows how many golf matches I have lost because my opponent intimidated me through as few as three or four shots, or worse, reputation. To this day, after 45+ years of competitive golf, I will lose my swing to a guy who consistently outdrives me. It's like playing in the wind, no matter how hard you try you cannot swing like it wasn't there. In golf, the ball doesn't even move, conditions are close to perfect, often we put the ball on a tee, but no two shots are the same. It's the human element, not the architecture.

John Kavanaugh

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Re: What If Golf Were Human Against Human, And Not Human Against Course?
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2016, 10:58:31 AM »
Even in track you rarely touch the opponent but his actions influence yours. One of the oddest things is world class athletes needing a "rabbit" to pace the first few laps of a race. Why doesn't a coach yelling splits work as well? Because humans as animals love to chase other humans instead of a clock, or par.  In golf how your opponent is playing plays a vital role in how you respond. It is much more like tennis than you obviously know.

that is brilliant.  So when Tiger was ahead in all those tourney.  He was chasing Jack in his mind???  I've been going about all wrong for the longest time...


Tiger and Nicklaus played the chase in two different ways both to success. Jack stayed in the pack just needing and wanting to be near the lead at the start of the final lap. Tiger loved to have the lead and dare people to catch him. Not hard to guess which strategy led to the earliest burn out.

Peter Pallotta

Re: What If Golf Were Human Against Human, And Not Human Against Course?
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2016, 11:03:01 AM »
JK - that's a terrific point, and wonderful reference: The Hustler is a gem of a motion picture -- and, btw, in my mid, Paul Newman joins only Marlon Brando as actors who both looked like a million bucks AND had a string of outstanding films close together, in Newman's case: The Hustler, Cool Hand Luke, and Hud.  (And btw, remind me if we ever meet to tell you the story of when Harry Dean Stanton sat two feet away from me and serenaded me with "Georgia on My Mind")>

Of course, while I appreciate your honesty, you do know that the reason Fats could come back and win that match against an (increasingly drunk) Fast Eddie is that Eddie, in George C Scott's estimation was "a loser".

Not to say that you're a loser, since I imagine that you've won many more matches than you've lost over the years. But Fats couldn't have influenced Fast Eddie's game unless at some level Eddie wanted him to!

Peter

Sean_A

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Re: What If Golf Were Human Against Human, And Not Human Against Course?
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2016, 11:07:10 AM »
Ron

The essay is good, but the title is poor. 

Practically all field events and most of sking (in fact a lot of Olympic winter sports) involve no direct impact between competitors.  I would argue there is a significant percentage of sports where competitors cannot directly impact each other.  Much like golf, results in many sports are updated and competitors must rethink their strategy accordingly....or at the very least decide to stick with the original strategy.  Where folks on GCA go wrong is comparing team sports to golf.

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John Kavanaugh

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Re: What If Golf Were Human Against Human, And Not Human Against Course?
« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2016, 11:08:31 AM »
Peter,


The best way to expose a Loser is to hit great shots. Punch him in the mouth and he may win despite himself. Golf for this reason may be the ultimate human against human sport. This essay is confusing the range with the course.

BCowan

Re: What If Golf Were Human Against Human, And Not Human Against Course?
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2016, 11:11:52 AM »
Even in track you rarely touch the opponent but his actions influence yours. One of the oddest things is world class athletes needing a "rabbit" to pace the first few laps of a race. Why doesn't a coach yelling splits work as well? Because humans as animals love to chase other humans instead of a clock, or par.  In golf how your opponent is playing plays a vital role in how you respond. It is much more like tennis than you obviously know.

that is brilliant.  So when Tiger was ahead in all those tourney.  He was chasing Jack in his mind???  I've been going about all wrong for the longest time...


Tiger and Nicklaus played the chase in two different ways both to success. Jack stayed in the pack just needing and wanting to be near the lead at the start of the final lap. Tiger loved to have the lead and dare people to catch him. Not hard to guess which strategy led to the earliest burn out.

 ;D ;D ;D , I think it was more that woman stayed in the shadows in Jack's day.  Tiger had technology and cultural changes to deal with. 

John Kavanaugh

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Re: What If Golf Were Human Against Human, And Not Human Against Course?
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2016, 11:21:07 AM »
Jack had The Pill, Tiger had Twitter. Cultural and technological changes from 62 to 86 far outweigh from 97 to the present.

jeffwarne

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Re: What If Golf Were Human Against Human, And Not Human Against Course?
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2016, 11:23:23 AM »
Ronald,
It already was bye bye tennis.
As the rackets got lighter and better the faster game elimnated longer rallies and many players no longer enjoyed the game as the power servers dominated-an example of a man on man game changed by equipment.
Sure there were other factors but that's the number one reason I've had players tell me they stopped playing.
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: What If Golf Were Human Against Human, And Not Human Against Course?
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2016, 11:29:30 AM »
Ronald,
It already was bye bye tennis.
As the rackets got lighter and better the faster game elimnated longer rallies and many players no longer enjoyed the game as the power servers dominated-an example of a man on man game changed by equipment.
Sure there were other factors but that's the number one reason I've had players tell me they stopped playing.


I have taken tennis back up late in life and can testify that on any given day the courts are filled with a larger range of age groups than any golf course. From 8 to 80 everyday, men, women and children. Why golf pros can not get the same lesson structure sold to women and children as tennis is a mystery.

BCowan

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« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2016, 11:50:41 AM »
Ronald,
It already was bye bye tennis.
As the rackets got lighter and better the faster game elimnated longer rallies and many players no longer enjoyed the game as the power servers dominated-an example of a man on man game changed by equipment.
Sure there were other factors but that's the number one reason I've had players tell me they stopped playing.

Jeff,

   The market fixes everything.  My mother plays golf 4 days a week in the warm months.  I think she enjoys Pickleball more then golf.  They just don't have the same set up, up north.  Tennis out, Pickleball in.  So it proves your point, but Pickleball just happened without any governing body of great stature.  Plus less running and more volleying. 

Steve Lang

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Re: What If Golf Were Human Against Human, And Not Human Against Course?
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2016, 11:58:22 AM »

I have taken tennis back up late in life and can testify that on any given day the courts are filled with a larger range of age groups than any golf course. From 8 to 80 everyday, men, women and children. Why golf pros can not get the same lesson structure sold to women and children as tennis is a mystery.


... Lesson structure, where are you playing, an indoor club???  if filled , the public courts are filled with many more who have probably never taken a lesson,.. the kids love to belt the ball, often over the fence, many in the middle think they're getting aerobics, and the old farts are just about to break down their backs, hips, elbows, knees, and ankles if they move at all. 
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Bill_McBride

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Re: What If Golf Were Human Against Human, And Not Human Against Course?
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2016, 12:02:17 PM »
JK - that's a terrific point, and wonderful reference: The Hustler is a gem of a motion picture -- and, btw, in my mid, Paul Newman joins only Marlon Brando as actors who both looked like a million bucks AND had a string of outstanding films close together, in Newman's case: The Hustler, Cool Hand Luke, and Hud.  (And btw, remind me if we ever meet to tell you the story of when Harry Dean Stanton sat two feet away from me and serenaded me with "Georgia on My Mind")>

Of course, while I appreciate your honesty, you do know that the reason Fats could come back and win that match against an (increasingly drunk) Fast Eddie is that Eddie, in George C Scott's estimation was "a loser".

Not to say that you're a loser, since I imagine that you've won many more matches than you've lost over the years. But Fats couldn't have influenced Fast Eddie's game unless at some level Eddie wanted him to!

Peter


Hustler great movie, The Color of Money not so much.


I've been a Harry Dean Stanton fan since Repo Man, lucky you!

BCowan

Re: What If Golf Were Human Against Human, And Not Human Against Course?
« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2016, 12:03:45 PM »
I have taken tennis back up late in life and can testify that on any given day the courts are filled with a larger range of age groups than any golf course. From 8 to 80 everyday, men, women and children. Why golf pros can not get the same lesson structure sold to women and children as tennis is a mystery.

Jkava,

   Tennis I am pretty sure was on the decline and probably has leveled out.  The Tennis club I played at as a kid is now a Paintball facility.  I'd agree with Steve that public courts are filled more. Pickleball is the new rage, it just hasn't caught on in many areas. 

John Kavanaugh

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Re: What If Golf Were Human Against Human, And Not Human Against Course?
« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2016, 12:09:14 PM »
Yes, an indoor tennis club. My regular game consists of a retired priest, the head of the local Psychiatric Hospital, and the lead council for the Diocese. It's quite a show. As someone who also builds tennis courts I can say that I rarely see public courts filled, if for no other reason they are not built and maintained as well a private courts. Different materials, settings and culture. Exactly like golf.
« Last Edit: January 16, 2016, 12:11:24 PM by John Kavanaugh »

jeffwarne

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Re: What If Golf Were Human Against Human, And Not Human Against Course?
« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2016, 12:23:48 PM »

 Pickleball is the new rage, it just hasn't caught on in many areas.



Yogi,
No doubt it hasn't caught on because the courts are too crowded
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: What If Golf Were Human Against Human, And Not Human Against Course?
« Reply #23 on: January 16, 2016, 12:26:02 PM »
Pickle Park got so crowded the State had to shut down the Rest Area on I-64.
« Last Edit: January 16, 2016, 12:29:33 PM by John Kavanaugh »

BCowan

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« Reply #24 on: January 16, 2016, 12:28:03 PM »

 Pickleball is the new rage, it just hasn't caught on in many areas.



Yogi,
No doubt it hasn't caught on because the courts are too crowded

Jeremiah,

It is so impressive to see patience being infused back into society as gentlemen and gentle laddies wait for a court to open. 

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