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Ronald Montesano

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No More Turnberry?
« on: December 13, 2015, 04:34:09 PM »
http://www.golf.com/tour-and-news/report-trump-turnberry-no-longer-host-british-open


Should this come to pass, should legal challenges change nothing and the owner continue to hold on to his property, might a hole in the Open rotation open up for a new course? Might the R&A keep the usual suspects and leave the Turnberry hole for the occasional new test?
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Marty Bonnar

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Re: No More Turnberry?
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2015, 04:49:42 PM »
What might be even more interesting is what he'll do if he gets banned from even entering the country!

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/114003

Wouldn't it be hilarious if the US president isn't allowed into the UK?

Mad days...

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Ronald Montesano

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Re: No More Turnberry?
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2015, 05:06:59 PM »
Quote from: Martin Bonnar on December 13, 2015, 04:49:42 PM
Wouldn't it be hilarious if the US president isn't allowed into the UK?


Don't even suggest it.
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Marty Bonnar

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Re: No More Turnberry?
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2015, 05:11:07 PM »
I haven't, but over half a million Brits have!

But keeping it on golf architecture, what a shame spending so much money having Hawtree improve the course, for nothing?

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K Rafkin

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Re: No More Turnberry?
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2015, 05:26:51 PM »
I have to assume this decreases the value of the Turnberry property, at least while it still owned by trump.  Is the R&A trying to pressure Trump into selling the course?  If he does sell will the open return to Turnberry?  Either way i think its likely that trump takes this court before he decides to sell.
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Patrick_Mucci

Re: No More Turnberry?
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2015, 05:27:30 PM »
If one of the 500 or so owners of Pebble Beach made controversial remarks should the USGA Remove PBGC from the Open rota ?


Did't President Carter ban Iranians from entering the U.S. during a critical time ?
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Jud_T

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Re: No More Turnberry?
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2015, 05:39:28 PM »
But he's so good for the game! Wonder how that C&C project is coming along. 
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David Sucher

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Re: No More Turnberry?
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2015, 07:49:17 PM »
Quote from: K Rafkin on December 13, 2015, 05:26:51 PM
....Either way i think its likely that trump takes this court before he decides to sell.
Curious:
On what basis might Trump go to court?
Does he have a contract?
Does R&A have full right to decide what course to use for its tournaments?

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Adrian_Stiff

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Re: No More Turnberry?
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2015, 07:56:53 PM »
I think if they dropped Turnberry it would not create a space for another directly.


The 'kings' have wanted to take the championship to the South West and to Wales and also back to Ireland. Portrush may be sorted but the logistics of Saunton and Porthcawl have never been ironed out. If they could be these courses would go on the rota regardless of another dropping off it.


Logically the only addition could come from somewhere that ticked the logistical boxes and then they made the course. Everything on the Amateur championship rota seems to have been explored already.


This sounds like a bleat (provided its real) to take the 2020 championship to RSG. I suspect its not real.
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Adrian_Stiff

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Re: No More Turnberry?
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2015, 08:01:34 PM »
Quote from: David Sucher on December 13, 2015, 07:49:17 PM
Quote from: K Rafkin on December 13, 2015, 05:26:51 PM
....Either way i think its likely that trump takes this court before he decides to sell.
Curious:
On what basis might Trump go to court?
Does he have a contract?
Does R&A have full right to decide what course to use for its tournaments?
I am 99% sure the R & A are the kings and they decide. There would be a contract once an agreement to stage a future open is agreed. My gut feeling is that no course is set in stone to hold future ones past those decided which is currently, Birkdale, Carnoustie and Portush. I would say there is no case to go to court.
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Mike_Young

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Re: No More Turnberry?
« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2015, 08:03:04 PM »
Seems the only way he could fight it were if he had an agreement to host the Open and had begun the improvements based on such.  I would think there was something there.  Whether you like Trump or not he is not an elected official and whatever he says is said as if it were you or me.  It could get sticky.  A lot of Americans might just decide not to travel to Scotland to play anywhere...much of this stuff is just Trumped up..
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Sean_A

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Re: No More Turnberry?
« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2015, 08:15:17 PM »
A few heavy weights just altered their rules to allow women as members because of the Open.  You bet your ass the R&A is serious about this Trump pc incident as it regards Turnberry.  Anybody thinking otherwise isn't reading the tea leaves properly.

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Cliff Hamm

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Re: No More Turnberry?
« Reply #12 on: December 13, 2015, 08:29:34 PM »
Can't wait to see the Women's Open at Trump Bedminster.  It will validate that the Donald is a champion of women...or how about Doral.  Again, the Donald, as a champion of Latinos ;D   Of course the PGA and USGA are all for golf being inclusionary...
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Matt Frey, PGA

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Re: No More Turnberry?
« Reply #13 on: December 13, 2015, 08:31:10 PM »
A shame to lose Turnberry, but this was the right decision by the R&A.
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Josh Stevens

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Re: No More Turnberry?
« Reply #14 on: December 13, 2015, 08:37:04 PM »
The notion of Donald standing up there at the final presentation of the open is appalling.  Interesting how he perhaps did not see that this was the end result of his buffoonery just as the PGA is stepping away from Doral.  He is toxic
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Mike_Young

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Re: No More Turnberry?
« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2015, 08:40:29 PM »
Matt,
I respectfully disagree.  If he were an elected official it wold be but right now he is a private citizen.  I agree they have the right to do as they see but this could get ugly.  I would bet most of the play at Turnberry is from Americans and other foreign travelers.  There will be many power plays we never know off of something like this.  I wonder what happens if he gets elected?
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BCowan

Re: No More Turnberry?
« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2015, 08:42:13 PM »
Quote from: Mike_Young on December 13, 2015, 08:03:04 PM
Seems the only way he could fight it were if he had an agreement to host the Open and had begun the improvements based on such.  I would think there was something there.  Whether you like Trump or not he is not an elected official and whatever he says is said as if it were you or me.  It could get sticky.  A lot of Americans might just decide not to travel to Scotland to play anywhere...much of this stuff is just Trumped up..

Ha.  If only would have a D next to his name.  He could never win w judicial activism...
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Mike_Young

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Re: No More Turnberry?
« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2015, 08:53:12 PM »
Quote from: Josh Stevens on December 13, 2015, 08:37:04 PM
The notion of Donald standing up there at the final presentation of the open is appalling.  Interesting how he perhaps did not see that this was the end result of his buffoonery just as the PGA is stepping away from Doral.  He is toxic

Josh,
I haven't met a PGA pro since the Doral issues that agrees with the Doral issue.  And was around a few all weekend.  I hope they learned from how they got rid of the last PGA Prez.
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DMoriarty

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Re: No More Turnberry?
« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2015, 08:56:57 PM »
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K Rafkin

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Re: No More Turnberry?
« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2015, 09:13:14 PM »
Quote from: David Sucher on December 13, 2015, 07:49:17 PM
Quote from: K Rafkin on December 13, 2015, 05:26:51 PM
....Either way i think its likely that trump takes this court before he decides to sell.
Curious:
On what basis might Trump go to court?
Does he have a contract?
Does R&A have full right to decide what course to use for its tournaments?


I am in no way implying that Trump has actual grounds to sue, but its just sort of what he does.


Im more interested in knowing if the R&A would be willing to reinstate Turnberry as an Open venue in the event that trump was willing to sell.


Does anyone have a clue as to how much the R&A likes Turnberry as a venue?  Is it a good venue or is the R&A also taking advantage of an oppertunity to remove Turnberry and add a new venue.  Personally Id love to see the open return to Northern Ireland.  RCD and Portrush seem to be the frontrunners although i was told the membership at RCD wasn't very interested in hosting another tournament, although they might make an exception for the open. 
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Kalen Braley

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Re: No More Turnberry?
« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2015, 09:13:37 PM »
Mike,

I don't see why being an elected official has anything to do with it.  If Bill Gates or anyone else for that matter owned the course and was spewing the same garbage in a public manner, I would expect the R&A to do exactly the same.
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Mike_Young

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Re: No More Turnberry?
« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2015, 09:20:40 PM »
Kalen,
I'm not arguing whether he is spewing garbage.  I'm saying the R&A needs to really weigh where they are with this.  Most big time business type dudes will have an equal and opposite reaction somewhere in there.  Just like the PGA and Doral...the PGA already has some pretty significant problems and if the PGA steps into the fray it could cost a lot of pros jobs...and you never know what else goes on behind the scene.  I think DT probably has a pretty clear perspective of the affect the R&A or the PGA or the USGA has on is day to day resort /club business and knows it's not much. 
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Matt Frey, PGA

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Re: No More Turnberry?
« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2015, 09:26:18 PM »
Mike: Look at it from the R&A's perspective. Holding an open at a course owned by such a visible and divisive figure would surely garner negative press, which could tarnish the R&A's brand. From their perspective, why on earth would they risk it?
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Kalen Braley

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Re: No More Turnberry?
« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2015, 09:28:50 PM »
Mike with hundreds of legitimate courses to choose from that could host major tournies, do you think the PGA or R&A really has any issue with losing a course here and there to bad behavior?

And to boot would corporate sponsorship dry up because someone like Trump is being excluded?  I'm going to guess not...
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BCowan

Re: No More Turnberry?
« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2015, 09:43:58 PM »
David,

   That's deep.  Care to elaborate or are we going to play picture pages? 
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