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Ash Towe

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Re: Short article on Mr Doaks new course in NZ
« Reply #25 on: February 25, 2016, 03:24:57 PM »
First of all, many thanks to Tom for the invitation to play in his tournament.


As he said the weather was perfect all three days, with no wind.  Turf conditions were A plus.


I will make some general comments others with may chip in with more details.


The front nine holes are closer together than the back nine.  You can see who is playing except on 6 and 7. Six is an uphill par 4 with multiple tee options. From the back it would be a beast.  The seventh is a brilliant short par 4 of about 290 yards.  The green is very small. You can drive the hole but the margin of error is very small. Laying up is smart but does not guarantee par. What ever way you choose to approach, pinpoint judgement is needed.


The back holes are a little more isolated as compared to the front nine. These holes are newer than the front. However, you would not know from the conditions. I really enjoyed the flow of these holes and the subtle changes of direction. Make sure you have a look at the new tee on 15 even if it is not in play.


There are a number of tees which have the look of Ballyneal.  You could put the ball down and play from what suited you.


Players who hit the ball a good distance will be able to go low. Shorter hitters can stay in the game due to the hard and fast conditions. They will have to think about there approaches and read the entrances to greens well to get close. I think these players, myself included, may have more fun due to these shots.


It is in my opinion a wonderful course. I can remember each and every hole in my mind.  We will all have our own opinions on how good. I will say I have played 8 of Tom's courses and if given the choice, Tara Iti is the one I would most like to play again.




jeffwarne

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Re: Short article on Mr Doaks new course in NZ
« Reply #26 on: February 25, 2016, 09:06:00 PM »
Thanks Tom for a wonderful event.
You grew the game this weekend(at least in my family)



I'm still trying to absorb it all.


I've often wondered if you present 18 interesting, all world holes if they run together and take away from the product as a whole.I realize that makes no sense, but it's why I've hesitated to comment.


Such variety in green size, shape and design.
Different and alternative ways to access a pin.
Shots you'd rarely play anywhere else(on modern courses).
Greens in bowls,uphill tee shots. blind tee shots,
false fronts, sides, backs


The short par 4 Ash referenced is brilliant.
I played it par, birdie by hitting 3 wood round 1, then driver, then laid up the third time and made bogie from the middle of the fairway with a solidly struck pitch. Much judgement required to get on the green with the pitch.
Despite a severe false front and left side, the ball can be run up with a carefully judged play through the hollows, but the green is quite small.


 Tilted greens!!! (2,5,8,10,12,16)actual tilt demanding good angles or curve of the ball, not multiple flat tiers which generally yield flat putts and disproportionately varied approach results.
...And plenty of others where you could use the contour to access a pin if not in the traditionally ideal angle position to approach.
The tilt and slope of the greens made downhill putts fast and uphill putts slow
Imagine that!




I do take exception to the weather being perfect ;) ;D . The wind did blow on Friday(10-12) and I found that almost perfect(perfect would've been about 15-18 mph ;) , but I missed the wind on the weekend though it did blow enough breeze to keep it cool.
To play such a varied imaginative course without much wind seems a (minor) shame.
Being the middle of my winter,and reacting to the match play situations presented I didn't attempt that many of curved shots or knockdowns, but would like to play the course when in midseason command of the ball, particularly with a bit more wind which would've inspired/created demand for more shotmaking.


I've only played 4 of Tom's courses (Renaissance,Sebonack,Heathland, Tara Iti) and I'd find it hard to compare/contrast as I like them all.
That said, how anyone could walk out the back door of the clubhouse and not fall in love with the course, the setting,the scenery, the intimacy ....is beyond me.

I would find it hard to believe that Tara Iti would not crack the World Top 25, and as I told Tom I rarely like modern courses as I usually find the required scale and acreage to try to be all things to all people a big turnoff.


I found Tara Iti fun from all the different sets of tees I played, and the scale and walk very enjoyable from all tees.


Lots of width with plenty of interest on the front nine, more defined,maybe a few more exciting tee shots on the back.
Great variety on the par 3's


I enjoyed that the nonfairway areas were findable,mildly vegetated and hazardous and required a little luck and skill to execute a good shot. The bunkers were certainly hazards (even though they weren't ;) ) and they were to be avoided as the sand was not imported from Ohio ;) .
There was a WIDE spectrum of shots played from them-both good, great, indifferent and terrible.
I struggled greenside in them where I usually excel (a good thing I think as more skill was required)


I will say I did struggle with the tight sandy turf and found it more challenging to hit pitches and full wedges than traditional older firmer UK links turf. I assume that's simply a maturity thing, could be recent topdressing (or natural wind blow of sand) or the torrential rain of Thursday (hardly noticed by midday Friday thanks to incredible drainage and hard work by the crew)
Or it could just be me ;) who needs to work on his game as I heard universal praise of the turf by high and low handicappers alike.



« Last Edit: February 27, 2016, 12:15:01 AM by jeffwarne »
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Jeff_Lewis

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Re: Short article on Mr Doaks new course in NZ
« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2016, 12:20:31 PM »
If I told you that I seriously want to buy a lot overlooking the course and the water and spend the next 40 (hopefully) years playing the course, that would tell you my opinion of Tara Iti!


Joel_Stewart

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Re: Short article on Mr Doaks new course in NZ
« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2016, 02:38:20 PM »
If I told you that I seriously want to buy a lot overlooking the course and the water and spend the next 40 (hopefully) years playing the course, that would tell you my opinion of Tara Iti!

OMG, you hate everything. That's high praise.

Jim Nugent

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Re: Short article on Mr Doaks new course in NZ
« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2016, 10:40:40 PM »
I disagree with Doak, and hope we see lots more pictures of this stunning-looking course.  I think that will whet our appetites even more and drive more traffic there.  And based on the comments in this thread, I also bet the course itself will more than live up to expectations. 

Tom_Doak

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Re: Short article on Mr Doaks new course in NZ
« Reply #30 on: February 27, 2016, 12:02:10 AM »
I disagree with Doak, and hope we see lots more pictures of this stunning-looking course.  I think that will whet our appetites even more and drive more traffic there.  And based on the comments in this thread, I also bet the course itself will more than live up to expectations.


Jim:


You probably won't see a lot more pictures soon, seeing as how everyone who played in this Renaissance Cup hopes to play in the next one.  ;)   Besides, don't you want to play the course already, if you make a trip to New Zealand ?

Jim Nugent

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Re: Short article on Mr Doaks new course in NZ
« Reply #31 on: February 27, 2016, 01:15:45 AM »
Tom, more pix will make more people want to go to New Zealand.  So I think, anyway. 

Jeff_Lewis

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Re: Short article on Mr Doaks new course in NZ
« Reply #32 on: February 27, 2016, 07:06:21 PM »
Has anybody on this site yet mentioned that Mr Doak won the Renaissance Cup!  Possibly, the aformentioned invitees were playing "Customer Golf"?   I don't know, there were some pretty good players there, but anyway...there it is. 

Ash Towe

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Re: Short article on Mr Doaks new course in NZ
« Reply #33 on: February 28, 2016, 03:16:57 AM »
Jeff,


All the matches in the Cup were hard fought. There were 32 pairs.


After the first day Tom told me how nervous he was.  He did select an extremely good partner in C J Kreuscher, the course superintendent. The second day the matches were alternate shot, so there is no hiding your ability.
Tom and CJ won 4 matches in total and the final was played in front of a good number of people.


Tom played extremely well. He and CJ thoroughly earned their win.

jeffwarne

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Re: Short article on Mr Doaks new course in NZ
« Reply #34 on: February 28, 2016, 09:16:02 AM »
Jeff,


All the matches in the Cup were hard fought. There were 32 pairs.


After the first day Tom told me how nervous he was.  He did select an extremely good partner in C J Kreuscher, the course superintendent. The second day the matches were alternate shot, so there is no hiding your ability.
Tom and CJ won 4 matches in total and the final was played in front of a good number of people.


Tom played extremely well. He and CJ thoroughly earned their win.


Congrats Tom.


Ash,
Great seeing you at Tara Iti.
Tom and CJ would've won 5 matches----3 on Saturday, 2 on Sunday.
We saw from pretty good golf from Gordon Dalgleish who birdied his last 5 holes to take us out in the quarters.
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Ash Towe

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Re: Short article on Mr Doaks new course in NZ
« Reply #35 on: February 28, 2016, 12:28:00 PM »
Jeff W,


Thanks for the correction it was 5 matches.


Trust you had a safe trip home.  Great experience for your son.


I saw Gordon Dalgleish on the practice ground.  Impressive swing and hit the ball a long way off the tee.

Jeff_Lewis

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Re: Short article on Mr Doaks new course in NZ
« Reply #36 on: February 28, 2016, 09:29:40 PM »
Many congratulations to Tom.  I meant a bit of humor, certainly no disrespect!

Tom_Doak

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Re: Short article on Mr Doaks new course in NZ
« Reply #37 on: February 28, 2016, 10:46:37 PM »

Tom and CJ would've won 5 matches----3 on Saturday, 2 on Sunday.
We saw from pretty good golf from Gordon Dalgleish who birdied his last 5 holes to take us out in the quarters.


Luckily, Gordon used up all his birdies against you, and didn't make any against us in the semifinal [played at foursomes, so he couldn't make them on his own].  We had the same luck against Doug White, the pro at Titirangi, in our quarterfinal ... he'd shot 65 the day before, but no birdies against us. 


No way we would have beaten either of those teams at 36 holes medal play, but in a nine-hole match, anything can happen ... and now I have a trophy to prove it!

John Kirk

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Re: Short article on Mr Doaks new course in NZ
« Reply #38 on: February 29, 2016, 04:36:51 PM »
First of all, many thanks to Tom for the invitation to play in his tournament.

As he said the weather was perfect all three days, with no wind.  Turf conditions were A plus.

Great to meet you, Ash.

I am also grateful for the opportunity to visit and play Tara Iti.  I never would have traveled to New Zealand otherwise.  While I was there, I traveled south to play Cape Kidnappers twice, and hang out in the Hawke's Bay area.  The mood in New Zealand is laid back, safe and friendly.  The two venues could not be more different — Cape Kidnappers is built on a rocky, rugged coastline several hundred feet above the sea, while Tara Iti is a wide sandy beach, which tapers down to the coast in a manner that allows an ocean view on nearly every golf hole.

As an early member of two golf clubs, I'm fascinated by the early development of the club, where lasting friendships and great experiences are made.  The club's primary owner/developer is a true outdoorsman, whose hobbies include scuba diving and fishing.  The club has its own vegetable garden and tends their own beehives for honey.  The energetic young staff was both friendly and engaging.  It's the kind of place that makes you feel good just being there.

Everything about the club is well conceived.  The clubhouse is small and well appointed, set relatively high in the dunes for ocean views off the back porch.  The driving range and practice area are adjacent to both the first and tenth tees.  The sun burns brightly on Tara Iti; you must be diligent about applying suntan lotion.  Tara Iti appears to be the ideal retreat for golfers and aquatic sportsmen alike.

I did not score well at Tara Iti, compared to the given rating/slope, but many others did post excellent scores.  My favorite holes on the course were 2, 3, 6, 9, 12, 16 and 17.  I'd probably love the 18th hole too, if I had played it properly even once.  In particular, the 17th hole is unusually beautiful, and may become one of the most heralded and photographed short par 3s in golf.  But my favorite sight of the trip was seeing the red flag on the 2nd hole during a late afternoon nine hole loop, burning so bright against the bluest ocean. 

Peter Pallotta

Re: Short article on Mr Doaks new course in NZ
« Reply #39 on: February 29, 2016, 06:01:26 PM »
You paint a lovely portrait, John, and provide an excellent picture - thanks.

It sounds like Tara Iti is a "place" all of its own; the backyard vegetable garden and home-made honey adding to the  homeliness in a particularly New Zealand-ish way.

The good golfing life re-envisioned for the 21st century.

Peter 

jeffwarne

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Re: Short article on Mr Doaks new course in NZ
« Reply #40 on: February 29, 2016, 07:03:03 PM »
So I just finished dinner, and looking for something sweet I found a very attractive unopened jar of honey on the counter, one of several gifts from Tara Iti.
first honey I've tasted in 20 years-at least.

It was incredible-extra thick and creamy-and then I turn on my computer just now and find out it was actually made at Tara Iti!
Now I may have to go open the wine.... ;)
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Ash Towe

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Re: Short article on Mr Doaks new course in NZ
« Reply #41 on: February 29, 2016, 07:16:53 PM »
The Amisfield pinot noir is excellent.  Highly recommended.

John Kavanaugh

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Re: Short article on Mr Doaks new course in NZ
« Reply #42 on: February 29, 2016, 07:59:32 PM »
Talking about the freebies kinda pulls back the curtain on the top 25 in the world hype.

jeffwarne

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Re: Short article on Mr Doaks new course in NZ
« Reply #43 on: February 29, 2016, 08:30:29 PM »
Talking about the freebies kinda pulls back the curtain on the top 25 in the world hype.


and notice no pictures....


the course may not even exist.



"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Keith OHalloran

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Re: Short article on Mr Doaks new course in NZ
« Reply #44 on: February 29, 2016, 09:30:12 PM »
Talking about the freebies kinda pulls back the curtain on the top 25 in the world hype.


and notice no pictures....


the course may not even exist.


I did notice no pictures. What's up with that?

Daryl David

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Re: Short article on Mr Doaks new course in NZ
« Reply #45 on: February 29, 2016, 09:34:11 PM »
Kind of like Fight Club except about pictures.  ;D

John Kavanaugh

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Re: Short article on Mr Doaks new course in NZ
« Reply #46 on: February 29, 2016, 09:52:55 PM »
If all it takes is a jar of honey to get you guys to stop posting pictures I've got a few names to enroll in the jelly of the month club. Picture blasts make an exclusive club feel like a timeshare. They only serve those who either lack the imagination or wherewithal to go.

John Kirk

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Re: Short article on Mr Doaks new course in NZ
« Reply #47 on: February 29, 2016, 10:47:06 PM »
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« Last Edit: March 01, 2016, 01:04:02 AM by John Kirk »

Tom_Doak

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Re: Short article on Mr Doaks new course in NZ
« Reply #48 on: March 01, 2016, 07:13:34 AM »
Talking about the freebies kinda pulls back the curtain on the top 25 in the world hype.

John, don't you get tee prizes in the events you play in?

Everyone paid a NZ$300 entry fee to play in the event.  (It's much less than the normal green fee, but it was hardly free.)  I do traditionally buy dinner for everyone who comes to play after the first day of play.

John Kavanaugh

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Re: Short article on Mr Doaks new course in NZ
« Reply #49 on: March 01, 2016, 10:25:52 AM »
“I was a businessman. I give to everybody. When they call, I give. And you know what? When I need something from them, two years later, three years later, I call them, and they are there for me.”

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