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J_ Crisham

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Re: US Open Local Qualifying Courses
« Reply #25 on: April 30, 2015, 02:49:52 PM »
I'm so fascinated to learn there are courses that are above being disliked. Can we formulate a list of courses that are inappropriate to dislike so no one else gives OB opinions?
John,    I find it interesting that 2 vastly different panels , GW and GD consider OFCC, Medinah, and Flossmoor to be in the top 200 courses in the US and yet Mr. Farron suggests that they are ehhh. Golfers come to Chicago frequently to play these venues- I know it because I am asked every year to host and help arrange games at these clubs. How many rounds has Mr. Farron logged at each of the aforementioned clubs? I can't justify slamming these courses just because it doesn't fit his eye. The experts obviously see it differently. Feel free to formulate your list- I look forward to seeing it. 

Brian Colbert

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Re: US Open Local Qualifying Courses
« Reply #26 on: April 30, 2015, 02:53:55 PM »
Hopefully you took it in the playful spirit intended!

I did...if it makes you feel any better I think Olympia Fields and Medinah #3 are very ehhhh also.....
Seriously? To suggest that Flossmoor, OFCC, and Medinah are ehhh kind of courses is absurd. Flossmoor is top 200 Classic on Golfweeks list every year and won best restoration a few years ago. Both Medinah and OFCC are perennially top 50 US on Golfweek Classic and top 100 GD. Both clubs have a second course that is damn good. Unless you are calling Shinny or Cypress Point home you shouldn't be throwing stones.

Geez I'm sorry, I thought this was America where I was free to express my opinion. In keeping to the discussion, the subject was courses that we were willing to travel a great distance to play because of easy access of a USGA qualifier. In my opinion Flossmoor, Olympia Fields and Medinah are not. Now if we are talking Butler, Chicago Golf or some place like that, in MY OPINION it's not worth it. If you are in town for business and have some spare time, maybe.....

I'm confused, so Flossmoor, OFCC, Medinah, Butler, and Chicago Golf are all not worth flying across the country to play?

Are there any good golf courses in Chicago? I need to move somewhere else.

John Connolly

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Re: US Open Local Qualifying Courses
« Reply #27 on: April 30, 2015, 03:02:45 PM »
You mean the lists that are constantly panned around here? Those?
"And yet - and yet, this New Road will some day be the Old Road, too."

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J_ Crisham

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Re: US Open Local Qualifying Courses
« Reply #28 on: April 30, 2015, 03:27:21 PM »
You mean the lists that are constantly panned around here? Those?
John,   In all fairness, please list your top 10 courses played in Chicago and the number of rounds at each- thanks

DFarron

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Re: US Open Local Qualifying Courses
« Reply #29 on: April 30, 2015, 04:44:16 PM »
Hopefully you took it in the playful spirit intended!

I did...if it makes you feel any better I think Olympia Fields and Medinah #3 are very ehhhh also.....
Seriously? To suggest that Flossmoor, OFCC, and Medinah are ehhh kind of courses is absurd. Flossmoor is top 200 Classic on Golfweeks list every year and won best restoration a few years ago. Both Medinah and OFCC are perennially top 50 US on Golfweek Classic and top 100 GD. Both clubs have a second course that is damn good. Unless you are calling Shinny or Cypress Point home you shouldn't be throwing stones.

Geez I'm sorry, I thought this was America where I was free to express my opinion. In keeping to the discussion, the subject was courses that we were willing to travel a great distance to play because of easy access of a USGA qualifier. In my opinion Flossmoor, Olympia Fields and Medinah are not. Now if we are talking Butler, Chicago Golf or some place like that, in MY OPINION it's not worth it. If you are in town for business and have some spare time, maybe.....

Did you play the South at OFCC?

Its a sin if you show up to play the North and don't take the time to see its more interesting counterpart.

No unfortunately I haven't. I often like the "second" course at a club, especially Oakland Hills North and the Ocean Course at Olympic.

DFarron

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Re: US Open Local Qualifying Courses
« Reply #30 on: April 30, 2015, 05:08:03 PM »
I'm so fascinated to learn there are courses that are above being disliked. Can we formulate a list of courses that are inappropriate to dislike so no one else gives OB opinions?
John,    I find it interesting that 2 vastly different panels , GW and GD consider OFCC, Medinah, and Flossmoor to be in the top 200 courses in the US and yet Mr. Farron suggests that they are ehhh. Golfers come to Chicago frequently to play these venues- I know it because I am asked every year to host and help arrange games at these clubs. How many rounds has Mr. Farron logged at each of the aforementioned clubs? I can't justify slamming these courses just because it doesn't fit his eye. The experts obviously see it differently. Feel free to formulate your list- I look forward to seeing it. 

Mr. Farron here...I have only played 1 round at each of the clubs that I find "ehhh" and in my opinion that is enough(that is why I only played them once lol!). Frankly I don't care which lists any courses are on, I like each course by my own set of standards, not someone else's.
 Take Medinah for example....plays very long, overly wooded and par 3's that are all too similar. It is famous because it has held some big championships and has the infrastructure for big events in a large market. In my opinion it is about the 7 or 8th best in Chicago. OF I find to be very uninspiring and struggle to remember a single hole on the course. Flossmoor is a fine course but I would not consider flying in to play there, for ME there are courses of similar quality close to my current home, just as there were when I resided in Cleveland.

Oh, and by the way, you can call me Drew, Mr. Farron was my late dad  :)

DFarron

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Re: US Open Local Qualifying Courses
« Reply #31 on: April 30, 2015, 05:12:47 PM »
Hopefully you took it in the playful spirit intended!

I did...if it makes you feel any better I think Olympia Fields and Medinah #3 are very ehhhh also.....
Seriously? To suggest that Flossmoor, OFCC, and Medinah are ehhh kind of courses is absurd. Flossmoor is top 200 Classic on Golfweeks list every year and won best restoration a few years ago. Both Medinah and OFCC are perennially top 50 US on Golfweek Classic and top 100 GD. Both clubs have a second course that is damn good. Unless you are calling Shinny or Cypress Point home you shouldn't be throwing stones.

Geez I'm sorry, I thought this was America where I was free to express my opinion. In keeping to the discussion, the subject was courses that we were willing to travel a great distance to play because of easy access of a USGA qualifier. In my opinion Flossmoor, Olympia Fields and Medinah are not. Now if we are talking Butler, Chicago Golf or some place like that, in MY OPINION it's not worth it. If you are in town for business and have some spare time, maybe.....

I'm confused, so Flossmoor, OFCC, Medinah, Butler, and Chicago Golf are all not worth flying across the country to play?

Are there any good golf courses in Chicago? I need to move somewhere else.
No you misread my comment...Chicago GC is a "drop everything" course. Shore Acres, Butler, Rich Harvest, North Shore are pretty good, but for me cross country travel would be limited to a few (Cypress, LACC, Augusta, Fisher's Island, Crystal Downs). I have passed a couple of times on Pine Valley because it was just too far, but now that I am older I might reconsider.

Buck Wolter

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Re: US Open Local Qualifying Courses
« Reply #32 on: April 30, 2015, 05:31:55 PM »
Rich Harvest  --- Uh Oh
Those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience -- CS Lewis

Terry Lavin

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Re: US Open Local Qualifying Courses
« Reply #33 on: April 30, 2015, 05:47:50 PM »
I'm so fascinated to learn there are courses that are above being disliked. Can we formulate a list of courses that are inappropriate to dislike so no one else gives OB opinions?

Every course can be criticized and every critic can be tweaked. To each his own.
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.  H.L. Mencken

John Connolly

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Re: US Open Local Qualifying Courses
« Reply #34 on: April 30, 2015, 05:51:25 PM »
I'm so fascinated to learn there are courses that are above being disliked. Can we formulate a list of courses that are inappropriate to dislike so no one else gives OB opinions?

Every course can be criticized and every critic can be tweaked. To each his own.

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Pretty much sums up my post. It's like being damned because you didn't like Beatles. Well, maybe not the Beatles .... then you're certifiable.
"And yet - and yet, this New Road will some day be the Old Road, too."

                                                      Neil Munroe (1863-1930)

J_ Crisham

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Re: US Open Local Qualifying Courses
« Reply #35 on: April 30, 2015, 05:58:49 PM »
Hopefully you took it in the playful spirit intended!

I did...if it makes you feel any better I think Olympia Fields and Medinah #3 are very ehhhh also.....
Seriously? To suggest that Flossmoor, OFCC, and Medinah are ehhh kind of courses is absurd. Flossmoor is top 200 Classic on Golfweeks list every year and won best restoration a few years ago. Both Medinah and OFCC are perennially top 50 US on Golfweek Classic and top 100 GD. Both clubs have a second course that is damn good. Unless you are calling Shinny or Cypress Point home you shouldn't be throwing stones.

Geez I'm sorry, I thought this was America where I was free to express my opinion. In keeping to the discussion, the subject was courses that we were willing to travel a great distance to play because of easy access of a USGA qualifier. In my opinion Flossmoor, Olympia Fields and Medinah are not. Now if we are talking Butler, Chicago Golf or some place like that, in MY OPINION it's not worth it. If you are in town for business and have some spare time, maybe.....

I'm confused, so Flossmoor, OFCC, Medinah, Butler, and Chicago Golf are all not worth flying across the country to play?

Are there any good golf courses in Chicago? I need to move somewhere else.
No you misread my comment...Chicago GC is a "drop everything" course. Shore Acres, Butler, Rich Harvest, North Shore are pretty good, but for me cross country travel would be limited to a few (Cypress, LACC, Augusta, Fisher's Island, Crystal Downs). I have passed a couple of times on Pine Valley because it was just too far, but now that I am older I might reconsider.
Rich Harvest a top course in Chicago? Wow- this is all starting to make sense now. For us locals it would be a stretch to place RH in the top 15 in Chicago. You need to see Black Sheep, Beverly , Skokie, The Dunes Club, Old Elm, The Glen View Club, Edgewood Valley in addition to the aforementioned clubs. RH is a case of what could have been given the great piece of property - other than a handful of good holes which are the truly memorable ones? At Flossmoor , Medinah and OFCC  you have some very , very good holes.

Terry Lavin

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Re: US Open Local Qualifying Courses
« Reply #36 on: April 30, 2015, 06:16:31 PM »
Rodney King: "Can't we all just get along?"
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.  H.L. Mencken

J_ Crisham

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Re: US Open Local Qualifying Courses
« Reply #37 on: April 30, 2015, 06:35:54 PM »
Rodney King: "Can't we all just get along?"
But the man just dissed' 2 of your clubs!

Sven Nilsen

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Re: US Open Local Qualifying Courses
« Reply #38 on: April 30, 2015, 10:22:20 PM »
Rodney King: "Can't we all just get along?"
But the man just dissed' 2 of your clubs!

Don't forget they were two clubs that were generous enough to host a qualifier, which has been noted as being a losing proposition for the clubs.

Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth.
"As much as we have learned about the history of golf architecture in the last ten plus years, I'm convinced we have only scratched the surface."  A GCA Poster

"There's the golf hole; play it any way you please." Donald Ross

Adam Warren

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Re: US Open Local Qualifying Courses
« Reply #39 on: May 01, 2015, 07:48:27 AM »
Can someone change the topic title to "Old Lady Argument about Chicago Area Courses." ;)

Jeff Bergeron

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Re: US Open Local Qualifying Courses
« Reply #40 on: May 01, 2015, 09:54:14 PM »
Can someone change the topic title to "Old Lady Argument about Chicago Area Courses." ;)

Best comment yet!

DFarron

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Re: US Open Local Qualifying Courses
« Reply #41 on: May 04, 2015, 04:45:22 PM »

Hmmmmm.......
   
   
Golf Magazine "10 Courses That Get Too Much Love"
10. The Country Club
9. Chicago Golf
8. Alotian
7. Hoylake
6. Olympic Lake
5. Old Mac
4. Royal Troon
3. OFCC North
2. Torrey Pines South
1. Medinah #3

Just call me "The Pot Stirrer" LOL!
« Last Edit: May 05, 2015, 05:37:03 PM by DFarron »

Terry Lavin

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Re: US Open Local Qualifying Courses
« Reply #42 on: May 04, 2015, 05:35:58 PM »
Stir on!
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.  H.L. Mencken

Ian Mackenzie

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Re: US Open Local Qualifying Courses
« Reply #43 on: May 04, 2015, 06:01:58 PM »
Black Hawk? Played there about 4 times.

Carts only. Check
Houses on every hole. Check. (sorry, most)
Gated community? Check.
Fountains? Check.
Major landscaping and on-course flowers? Check.
East Bay? Check.
Guys live there because they can't get into SF, Cal, Olym? Check.
2 courses? Check...ok, cool.
Built in the 1980's? Check.

Now I get the love for RH and Butler.

DFarron

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Re: US Open Local Qualifying Courses
« Reply #44 on: May 04, 2015, 06:22:29 PM »
Black Hawk? Played there about 4 times.

Carts only. Check
Houses on every hole. Check. (sorry, most)
Gated community? Check.
Fountains? Check.
Major landscaping and on-course flowers? Check.
East Bay? Check.
Guys live there because they can't get into SF, Cal, Olym? Check.
2 courses? Check...ok, cool.
Built in the 1980's? Check.

Now I get the love for RH and Butler.

Touche Ian....However my members belong to SF, Cal, Olympic and a few other hack courses like Cypress, MPCC, Pine Valley, Winged Foot, The Valley Club and even Medinah lol!, For many our club is their 3-5th club.....and we allow walking but it's just too darn hilly.

That being said they are dead wrong about Chicago Golf, TCC and Olympic although I do like Cal Club and Menlo better than Olympic..but that's just me.

John Connolly

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Re: US Open Local Qualifying Courses
« Reply #45 on: May 04, 2015, 07:44:25 PM »

Cal club is a simply joy to play. I'm on board with you there.
"And yet - and yet, this New Road will some day be the Old Road, too."

                                                      Neil Munroe (1863-1930)

DFarron

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Re: US Open Local Qualifying Courses
« Reply #46 on: May 04, 2015, 09:30:59 PM »

Cal club is a simply joy to play. I'm on board with you there.

If you like Cal Club play Menlo...when the grass matures they will be very comparable!

Connor Dougherty

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Re: US Open Local Qualifying Courses
« Reply #47 on: May 04, 2015, 11:39:54 PM »
Black Hawk? Played there about 4 times.

Carts only. Check
Houses on every hole. Check. (sorry, most)
Gated community? Check.
Fountains? Check.
Major landscaping and on-course flowers? Check.
East Bay? Check.
Guys live there because they can't get into SF, Cal, Olym? Check.
2 courses? Check...ok, cool.
Built in the 1980's? Check.

Now I get the love for RH and Butler.

Touche Ian....However my members belong to SF, Cal, Olympic and a few other hack courses like Cypress, MPCC, Pine Valley, Winged Foot, The Valley Club and even Medinah lol!, For many our club is their 3-5th club.....and we allow walking but it's just too darn hilly.

That being said they are dead wrong about Chicago Golf, TCC and Olympic although I do like Cal Club and Menlo better than Olympic..but that's just me.

I'll attest to that for Drew. I went to high school right down the road (Athenian) and frequently drove by on my way out to the various lunch stops in Blackhawk Plaza (and drove by on the way to the Bridges for practice). Blackhawk is an incredibly wealthy, pretty well connected community. The people that are members out there are because the convenience is hard to beat. When they want to journey for great golf, they go to the places above.

Drew we'll have to play when I'm back home this summer!
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Andrew Buck

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Re: US Open Local Qualifying Courses
« Reply #48 on: May 10, 2015, 06:17:42 PM »
Since this thread turned "Chicago intensive", while not the US Open, the mid am qualifier is being held at Glen View Club this fall, and I am very excited to see Jim Urbina's work there.
« Last Edit: May 10, 2015, 10:13:56 PM by Andrew Buck »

Mike Benham

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Re: US Open Local Qualifying Courses
« Reply #49 on: May 10, 2015, 09:48:33 PM »

Newbies Gamble Sands and Streamsong Red are qualifying locations for the 2015 USGA Mid-Am.
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