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George Pazin

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Paul Daley's Golf Architecture...
« on: September 02, 2003, 09:26:54 AM »
is definitely now at Amazon. I just received an email stating that it's on sale for $28!!! If you do not buy a copy (or multiple copies for gifts) at this price, you are only punishing yourself.
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

Dunlop_White

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Re:Paul Daley's Golf Architecture...
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2003, 11:17:51 AM »
What a bargain!

Interestingly, there are two (2) books entitled, Golf Architecture: A Worldwide Perspective, by Paul available at Amazon, one of which has an orange jacket with an image of Pacific/Bandon, and prefaced by Cornish. I know this is Vol. I. There is another though that has a burgandy colored jacket and is prefaced by Steele. Is this actually Vol. II???? It is selling for $24.00!!!

ed_getka

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Re:Paul Daley's Golf Architecture...
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2003, 04:29:18 PM »
One may be the US ed. and the other the UK ed. I don't know for sure.
"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

Mark_Huxford

Re:Paul Daley's Golf Architecture...
« Reply #3 on: September 02, 2003, 04:36:38 PM »
The burgandy one is volume 2. Paul said it's 64 pages longer than volume 1.
« Last Edit: September 02, 2003, 04:38:41 PM by Mark_Huxford »

hpembroke

Re:Paul Daley's Golf Architecture...
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2003, 04:50:17 PM »
Here is a review of the Vol 2 from the ausgolf website.

Golf Architecture - A worldwide perspective Vol II

Golf Architecture: A Worldwide Perspective – Vol. two (2003) incorporates fifty essays from leading architects who represent many of the established golfing nations: Australia; Argentina; Canada; England; Japan; and USA, among them. Contributions from prominent architects include, Jay Morrish, Mike DeVries, Jeff Brauer, Gary Panks, Bobby Weed Jr., Ed Seay, plus an insightful Foreword penned by renowned English architect, Donald Steel. Australian architects, Ted Parslow and Jamie Dawson, explain how to design in tropical locations and how to manage the rough, respectively, while Graeme Grant recalls his early golfing experience with legendary Royal Melbourne Golf Club Course Manager, Claude Crockford.
Moving along at a lively pace, the architectural essays vary from being technical and engineering-based, to esoteric in nature. The book also undertakes reviews of individual courses and examines particular regions of the world, including, exotic Mauritius—experiencing a golf boom—and Argentina. Architects boldly critique other architects’ bodies of work; this alone ensures absorbing, controversial and highly educational reading. In design circles there is much talk about CAD—one CAD specialist outlines exactly what the technology offers the modern design practitioner, debunking common misconceptions in the process. Some essays hone in on architectural quandaries: how to design wild but playable greens; designing for modern equipment; the perils of building a signature hole; incorporating undulation into the design; design imperatives for residential golf course communities; how to design a members’ course; the politics of tree-removal; duty of care when designing for golf course safety, and so forth. One essay examines the ever-contentious design issue—the design and placement of hazards.

THuckaby2

Re:Paul Daley's Golf Architecture...
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2003, 04:57:24 PM »
This is all great, but while I ordered it a year ago on amazon, though it does now list the discount price, my order is still pending and it still lists Vol. I as yet to be available... do others have it differently?  If so I'll cancel the first order and re-order now....


George Pazin

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Re:Paul Daley's Golf Architecture...
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2003, 05:02:20 PM »
Can't speak for how reliable Amazon is, but when I ordered Vol. II today, they said 1-3 weeks.
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

THuckaby2

Re:Paul Daley's Golf Architecture...
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2003, 05:06:47 PM »
George - they told me 1-3 weeks when I ordered it last November.  It still says 1-3 weeks.

 :'( :'( :'(

TH

Jay Carstens

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Re:Paul Daley's Golf Architecture...
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2003, 09:23:15 AM »
I talked to Pelican Publishing recently about stocking these items in our shop.  They quoted a 3-4 week time frame for both volumes (I & II) to start shipping.  Both descriptions can be found on pg. 15 of their fall 2003 catalog.
www.pelicanpub.com/PDF/Fall%20MASTER%202003.pdf

Play the course as you find it

Todd_Joseph

Re:Paul Daley's Golf Architecture...
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2003, 11:53:14 AM »
I just checked my Amazon order and it says its shipping on September 4th or 5th.  

THuckaby2

Re:Paul Daley's Golf Architecture...
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2003, 12:02:59 PM »
I guess they hate me, Todd.  I just checked and mine remains in amazon limbo....  :'(

TH

larry_munger

Re:Paul Daley's Golf Architecture...
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2003, 08:10:40 PM »
Maybe Paul Daley would set us straight, liked the first edition, looking forward to second, what is best way to order. Ending up geting 1st via Amazon Europe.

peter_p

Re:Paul Daley's Golf Architecture...
« Reply #12 on: September 03, 2003, 10:48:30 PM »
You can get them straight from Paul Daley, who can be contacted at fswing@bigpond.net.au. Also has available leather bound Limited Editions at $AU300.

THuckaby2

Re:Paul Daley's Golf Architecture...
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2003, 10:17:21 AM »
Peter:

Mr. Daley directed me to order from amazon, for the "normal" edition anyway.  He told me he would sell directly the leather-bound, signed version directly, but for the normal hardcover I was to go through amazon, for reasons involving his US distriubtion agreements.  

Paul, please do correct me if I'm wrong here... I want you to sell as many as possible of these, that's for sure... I also want to follow the rules....

So all this being said, Amazon finally got back to me and they now say it's in process of shipping and I should get it next week.  Here's hoping!

TH

Craig Van Egmond

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Re:Paul Daley's Golf Architecture...
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2003, 02:24:52 PM »

Tom,

    Your not alone in this, I've been waiting for 8 months now from amazon! Hopefully it will arrive soon.

JohnV

Re:Paul Daley's Golf Architecture...
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2003, 04:28:16 PM »
My girlfriend ordered the first volume from Amazon last Christmas and got so tired of waiting for it that she finally ordered from somewhere in England in June and canceled the order with Amazon.  It was worth the wait.

Paul Richards

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Re:Paul Daley's Golf Architecture...
« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2003, 10:54:36 PM »
Just ordered my copy.  

Can't wait!!!!!!!! ;)
"Something has to change, otherwise the never-ending arms race that benefits only a few manufacturers will continue to lead to longer courses, narrower fairways, smaller greens, more rough, more expensive rounds, and other mechanisms that will leave golf's future in doubt." -  TFOG

Paul_Daley

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Re:Paul Daley's Golf Architecture...
« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2003, 01:51:02 AM »
Hi all.

Getting "Golf Archy" V1 & 2 up has been a long, rocky road. I'm sensitive towards your waiting time, especially as Pelican finished the V1 production way back in May. To cut down on cargo charges and customs clearance, its plan was to ship both volumes together. In truth, this demonstrated good business sense by Pelican, but the action frustrated me and kept suppliers like Amazon and Co guessing like crazy about which volume was coming when, not to mention fellow GCA devotees.

As part of a pact I have with Pelican, I am able to directly supply anyone with a signed, dated and personalised "reg" edition copy, so long as I've had a past business association with that person. It has killed me to knock back orders,  :'  :' but I am trying to do the right thing by my publisher in downtown Gretna, Louisiana. That said, the agreement does allow me to directly supply leather-bound limited edition copies (100 only). For those inclined, why not jump in and reserve matching numbers for V1 and V2. As a special call to US golf addicts, the favourable [US-Australia] exchange rate makes this purchase quite attractive.

Regarding the Golf Archy ETA: the V1 & 2 shipment left China on 19 August and is being discharged at New Orleans on 15 September. Once the eagle has landed, and the goods are cleared, I'm sure Pelican will quickly fill the distribution pipeline to action advance orders. By coincidence, the UK shipment (V2 only) also arrives on 15 September into Southhampton.
 
In short: I'm happy with the Golf Archy production and hope you will be too.

Thanks for your patience.  :)

musketeer

Re:Paul Daley's Golf Architecture...
« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2003, 09:46:19 AM »
Is this book a replacement/revision compendium for "The Architects of Golf"('93/Cornish-Whitten) or is there another or better course/architect reference?

Paul Richards

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Re:Paul Daley's Golf Architecture...
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2003, 10:57:54 AM »
Have ordered my copy and am anxiously awaiting its arrival!
"Something has to change, otherwise the never-ending arms race that benefits only a few manufacturers will continue to lead to longer courses, narrower fairways, smaller greens, more rough, more expensive rounds, and other mechanisms that will leave golf's future in doubt." -  TFOG

Tim_Weiman

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Re:Paul Daley's Golf Architecture...
« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2003, 11:38:40 AM »
Musketeer:

There is no connection to Cornish/Whitten. These are different books altogether.
Tim Weiman

ed_getka

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Re:Paul Daley's Golf Architecture...
« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2003, 02:31:29 PM »
Paul,
  Since we have a past business association on all of your previous volumes, I would like to order a copy of Vol 2, signed if you please. If you would prefer to send multiple copies for interested Bay Area GCA guys I could put together a list of names and you could make one shipment here and I will distribute them to the guys.
  I am having trouble with my computer at home so IM me here rather than trying e-mail.
  Oh, Ron Muszalski will definitely want a copy if you haven't already filled his order. Thanks.
   What is the next book we can look forward to?
"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.

Paul_Daley

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Re:Paul Daley's Golf Architecture...
« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2003, 05:54:32 PM »
Ed G: extremely decent offer of yours to compile a list of Bay purchasers. It sure will cut down on postage. YES PLEASE, go right ahead! Thanks for mentioning Ronny Muszalski, his books have already departed. Since you ask, the next book is titled "Favourite Holes by Design" where architects nominate their favourite hole (but not there own creation) and write a one-page essay about its design merit and allure. Each contributor supplies a sketch, and I organise photography.
Favourite Holes is due on 1 August 2004, but unlike GAV-2, I'm hopeful there won't be an extended labour. :)

Tim W: thanks for informing Musketeer that GAV-2 has no connection to RW/GC's upcoming book.

Musketeer: As it turns out, Geoffrey Cornish and Michael Hurdzan are working on a golf course architecture bibliography and currently sourcing data.  

Paul R: Mate, your copy should arrive any tick of the clock.

Tim_Weiman

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Re:Paul Daley's Golf Architecture...
« Reply #23 on: September 15, 2003, 11:31:09 AM »
Guys:

My copy of Volume 2 arrived this morning from Melbourne and as I expected it looks like another wonderful addition to a golf architecture library.

FYI, by my count there are more than fifteen essay contributors that have posted on GCA. Nice to see.

Many thanks to Paul for putting these essays together and for some pretty cool (and different) photography as well.
Tim Weiman

ed_getka

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Re:Paul Daley's Golf Architecture...
« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2003, 11:45:47 AM »
Paul,
  Thanks for the reply. I will compile a list and let you know.
"Perimeter-weighted fairways", The best euphemism for containment mounding I've ever heard.