News:

Welcome to the Golf Club Atlas Discussion Group!

Each user is approved by the Golf Club Atlas editorial staff. For any new inquiries, please contact us.


John Kavanaugh

  • Karma: +0/-0
The Klein Nine
« on: August 26, 2014, 11:51:38 AM »
Now that Dismal Red has officially been granted the status of a Klein Nine I thought it might be interesting to speculate on the other nine courses that would round out a virtual top ten.  I'll have to take some time to come up with my choices but Sand Hills goes without saying.

By his own admission Whistling Straits was under.  What do you think may be worthy of a Klein Nine?
« Last Edit: August 26, 2014, 11:55:22 AM by John Kavanaugh »

J_ Crisham

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: The Klein Nine
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2014, 11:59:31 AM »
NGLA, Shinny, Fishers Island, Pinehurst 2 , Seminole would be a few IMO .

John Kavanaugh

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: The Klein Nine
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2014, 12:00:55 PM »
Without looking at the Golfweek list I am struggling to come up with a course not designed by Doak or C&C.  Ok, The Golf Club by Dye is also a lock.  Remember, these are courses that Brad would love.  A Klein Nine.

John Kavanaugh

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: The Klein Nine
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2014, 12:02:02 PM »
NGLA, Shinny, Fishers Island, Pinehurst 2 , Seminole would be a few IMO .

I was keeping it to courses built after 1960.  Merion is already officially a Klein Nine at 9.5.  Those are too easy.

Chris DeToro

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: The Klein Nine
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2014, 12:05:34 PM »
Most of the Bandon resort? 

DMoriarty

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: The Klein Nine
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2014, 12:07:31 PM »
Perhaps the place to start is with the Dismal Red comparables on Brad's Golfweek list . . .

Golf history can be quite interesting if you just let your favorite legends go and allow the truth to take you where it will.
--Tom MacWood (1958-2012)

John Kavanaugh

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: The Klein Nine
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2014, 12:10:03 PM »
Desert Forest just may be a Klein Nine.  Thanks!!!

John Kavanaugh

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: The Klein Nine
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2014, 12:12:19 PM »
Most of the Bandon resort?  

Yes Old Macdonald is 100% a Klein Nine and most likely Bandon Trails and Pacific Dunes.  Bandon Dunes, not so much.

John Kirk

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: The Klein Nine
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2014, 12:21:02 PM »
I think Brad gave Bandon Trails a high rating, either 9.0 or 9.5.

John Kavanaugh

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: The Klein Nine
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2014, 12:23:39 PM »
We have the following locks for a Klein Nine:


Old Macdonald
Sand Hills
Bandon Trails
Pacific Dunes
The Golf Club

That leaves four more clubs with Desert Forrest being a sleeper.

For those who do not remember and before Old Macdonald was built, Brad once stated that Bandon Trails was his favorite course at the resort.

Sean Leary

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: The Klein Nine
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2014, 12:46:20 PM »
Friars Head

John Kavanaugh

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: The Klein Nine
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2014, 12:49:01 PM »
Friars Head

I have not played Friars Head and don't recall Brad's commentary.  What about the course makes you believe it is a Klein Nine?

Sean Leary

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: The Klein Nine
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2014, 12:55:45 PM »
Friars Head

I have not played Friars Head and don't recall Brad's commentary.  What about the course makes you believe it is a Klein Nine?

It's reputation.

John Kavanaugh

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: The Klein Nine
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2014, 01:03:07 PM »
Friars Head

I have not played Friars Head and don't recall Brad's commentary.  What about the course makes you believe it is a Klein Nine?

It's reputation.

I don't see eye to eye with Brad on most things but give him more credit than that.  There have to be some more sleepers out their from other architects.  If Kinloch was firm that would be a great Klein Nine especially given the turd he laid on Ballyhack.

Sean Leary

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: The Klein Nine
« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2014, 01:19:53 PM »
Friars Head

I have not played Friars Head and don't recall Brad's commentary.  What about the course makes you believe it is a Klein Nine?

It's reputation.

I don't see eye to eye with Brad on most things but give him more credit than that.  There have to be some more sleepers out their from other architects.  If Kinloch was firm that would be a great Klein Nine especially given the turd he laid on Ballyhack.

I didn't mean it as a slight to Brad. I meant it as a credit to FH.

I believe he rated Chambers really high.

Carl Nichols

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: The Klein Nine
« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2014, 01:23:53 PM »
Other contenders:  Sebonack, Kinloch, Old Sandwich, Boston Golf.

Peter Pallotta

Re: The Klein Nine
« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2014, 01:42:08 PM »
This reminds me of biblical/new testament studies wherein most scholars posit the existence of "Q" (from the German "quelle" or "sayings"), a hypothetical early text and/or oral tradition that the (later) writers of the synoptics (i.e. Mark, Matthew, and Luke, in that order) drew upon and combined in sometimes different ways.

The "Q" hypothesis helps scholars explain the numerous textual similarities not evidently based on/rooted in a later gospel writer simply using an earlier one as a key source. Indeed, some would even suggest several redactions/layers in the "Q" tradition itself, prior to the sayings having been codified and put to paper, as a means of explaining the minute textual differences within passages/materials that all the synpotics have in common.

Similarly, here we have our resident renegade scholar positing a hypothetical list/ranking ("K9", from the English "Klein Nine") that would help explain the similarities in taste amongst a large percentage of gca.com posters better than would the reverse hypothesis, i.e. that the consensus gca.com opinion in these matters has 'worked backwards' to inform our scholar's very hypothesis and positing of "K9" and its contents.

So, a question: for those who have played all 10 of the (supposed) "K9", how valid do you think this hypothetical list/ranking, and where would you agree/disagree with it?    

Thanks
Peter  
« Last Edit: August 26, 2014, 04:06:26 PM by PPallotta »

J_ Crisham

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: The Klein Nine
« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2014, 01:58:56 PM »
BlackWolf Run- River . In fact I played it with Brad a couple years ago. One of the courses that offers multiple angle shot options. Underrated course IMO - I would submit it may be better than WS

Howard Riefs

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: The Klein Nine
« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2014, 02:32:32 PM »
"Golf combines two favorite American pastimes: Taking long walks and hitting things with a stick."  ~P.J. O'Rourke

Chris DeToro

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: The Klein Nine
« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2014, 02:48:47 PM »
BlackWolf Run- River . In fact I played it with Brad a couple years ago. One of the courses that offers multiple angle shot options. Underrated course IMO - I would submit it may be better than WS

I would not disagree with that sentiment

Mac Plumart

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: The Klein Nine
« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2014, 02:56:40 PM »
Royal Dornoch count?
Sportsman/Adventure loving golfer.

Steve Lapper

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: The Klein Nine
« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2014, 04:10:21 PM »
John,

I know Brad, and Friars Head. It's a lock and might just fall just behind Sand Hills........and above Dismal Red*



* still have yet to play DR, but looking forward to it!

PS...Despite the requisite protestations, Trump Scotland is also firmly belongs in the Nine.
« Last Edit: August 26, 2014, 04:23:36 PM by Steve Lapper »
The conventional view serves to protect us from the painful job of thinking."--John Kenneth Galbraith

Howard Riefs

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: The Klein Nine
« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2014, 04:30:46 PM »

PS...Despite the requisite protestations, Trump Scotland is also firmly belongs in the Nine.

He has Trump Intnl Scotland as an 8.4….
http://t.golfweek.com/news/2012/aug/23/raters-notebook-trump-international-gl-scotland/

a hair lower than Whistling Straits at 8.5.
http://golfweek.com/news/2010/aug/05/raters-notebook-whistling-straits/

"Golf combines two favorite American pastimes: Taking long walks and hitting things with a stick."  ~P.J. O'Rourke

Steve Lapper

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: The Klein Nine
« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2014, 05:15:19 PM »

PS...Despite the requisite protestations, Trump Scotland is also firmly belongs in the Nine.

He has Trump Intnl Scotland as an 8.4….
http://t.golfweek.com/news/2012/aug/23/raters-notebook-trump-international-gl-scotland/

a hair lower than Whistling Straits at 8.5.
http://golfweek.com/news/2010/aug/05/raters-notebook-whistling-straits/



I believe Brad thought it would climb once the mistake of rye grass was replaced by the proper fescue.
The conventional view serves to protect us from the painful job of thinking."--John Kenneth Galbraith

Brian Finn

  • Karma: +0/-0
Re: The Klein Nine
« Reply #24 on: August 26, 2014, 05:19:53 PM »
Ballyneal?
New for '24: Monifieth x2, Montrose x2, Panmure, Carnoustie x3, Scotscraig, Kingsbarns, Elie, Dumbarnie, Lundin, Belvedere, The Loop x2, Forest Dunes, Arcadia Bluffs x2, Kapalua Plantation, Windsong Farm, Minikahda...

Tags:
Tags:

An Error Has Occurred!

Call to undefined function theme_linktree()
Back