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Bill Brightly

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First impressions of TOC
« on: August 25, 2014, 12:10:08 PM »
So here I sit in my hotel room St. Andrews after my foursome failed to win the ballot and four other lucky friends are playing TOC as I type. (All eight of us played the New Course this morning.) I did walk The Old Course yesterday afternoon and I was really glad to see it that way first without clubs in my hands.

Standing behind the first tee looking at a pancake flat expanse of double wide fairway full of people wandering about (it was Sunday,) I honestly could not envision how this could be one of the greatest courses in the world. My first thought was "wow, the site is incredibly flat and I feel completely underwhelmed."

As I started my walk on the outward holes it became obvious to me that what makes TOC so great is the simple, understated beauty of the links. How almost everything I saw was mostly made by Nature's hand. I did not like the two bunkers in front of the right side of hole #2, they demand an aerial approach when the pin is on the right while the land screams for a run up. But everything else was so natural looking and incredibly cool.  

The hidden nature of many of the fairway bunkers was shocking. Clearly, this is a course you need to play MANY times to understand.

It also becomes quickly obvious that if you take the safe line to the center of the course to avoid the trouble on the outside of the holes, you'll pay the price with your approach from a less than ideal angle. I know I'm not breaking news here, but it was cool to see this design concept so eloquently on display.

As I studied the greens it became obvious that Tom Doak had to be profoundly influenced by TOC. The greens have SO much movement, so many sections. I thought to myself: if you built greens like this today you would be widely criticized, just as TD is by some. I'm sensitive to this because I've witnessed many low handicaps play a Doak for the first time, times when I brought these guys to the course, and they say things like: these greens are "over the top." I used to struggle to find an answer that they would buy into. Now my response will simply be: go play TOC and tell me that Doak's greens are too severe. I'm not saying this to be a Daok butt-boy. Rather, as students of gca I think it is important to try to identify design influences. Having played a dozen Doak courses before visiting St. Andrews, the importance of TOC course was instantly clear.

I thought the work done on the Eden hole was very well done. If I had not read about the changes, I'm sure I would not have noticed the alterations. I think a back left pin position will be very cool and very difficult.

I loved seeing the Hell Bunker but wished it was visible before you crested the mound.

I was stunned by the small size of the Road Hole Bunker. But that is probably because I grew up playing a Banks course where his bunker was triple the size. I also was shocked by the narrowness of the green.

In summary, I was surprised that the genius of the course lies not with its scale or drama. Rather, it is the course's subtly and simple, natural beauty. Now I need to win the ballot and give it a try!
« Last Edit: August 25, 2014, 12:32:58 PM by Bill Brightly »

David Davis

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Re: First impressions of TOC
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2014, 12:19:13 PM »
Bill,

A word of advice you may of already heard. Show up very early in the morning at the starter and wait there till he comes. I can't tell you how late at this time of year but I"m guessing 5:30-6:00 am. You may have to wait an hour and a half. When he comes you can sign in as a single and are almost guaranteed to play. He will tell you come back at 10 am or whatever and be ready.

That's if you don't get in the ballot. I've never made it in the ballot just played the other way.

Enjoy,

David
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David_Elvins

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Re: First impressions of TOC
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2014, 12:23:31 PM »
Nicely written, Bill.  

My experience was very similar.  The only other things that really hit me were:

1. how good the view was coming down 15-17 with the town in the background.  For a flattish bit of land the second shot into 17 is a great looking shot, IMO.  

2. The difference between green size and effective green size.  Everyone always talks about how big the greens are at TOC but the effective size of many of them is much smaller than the measured area.  

Good luck in the ballot!  In the mean time, nice to know there is at least one other GCAer out there who has walked but not played the Old Course.
« Last Edit: August 25, 2014, 12:25:54 PM by David_Elvins »
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Eric Smith

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Re: First impressions of TOC
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2014, 12:25:41 PM »


I loved seeing the Hell Bunker but wished it was visible before you crested the mound.



As did Dr. MacKenzie. :)

Hope you get a crack at it while there, Bill.

Bill Brightly

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Re: First impressions of TOC
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2014, 12:29:11 PM »
Hi David, hope all is well!

We are in the ballot a few more days. I trust that I will get on but I'm not sweating it. I intend to come back to St. Andrews again. Going to the starter on this trip is a little tricky: I'm with four couples so we sort of need to stick together, and I am doing the driving. Hard to ask the gals to drive a manual shift 16-passenger van on the wrong side of the road... Already played Eden, Kingsbarns, New and will be playing Carnoustie, Elie, Cruden Bay, Crail and North Berwick. I can live without playing TOC this time... As the saying goes, this is a first world problem...

Jud_T

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Re: First impressions of TOC
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2014, 12:33:50 PM »
Bill,

Just the fact that you're still excited about playing the course after walking it the first time bodes well;  most are underwhelmed after their first visit.  And don't make the same mistake I did by missing a chance to play the Himilayas...
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

Marty Bonnar

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Re: First impressions of TOC
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2014, 12:37:12 PM »
Bill,
Check your PM's
Cheers,
M.
The White River runs dark through the heart of the Town,
Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.

Chris DeToro

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Re: First impressions of TOC
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2014, 12:55:34 PM »
I lived in St Andrews for four months during college and played at St Andrews pretty much every single day I was there.  It was met with the same excitement and awe every single day. 

Hope you get to play the Old and that you enjoyed the New too--it's a great course in its own right

Jeff_Brauer

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Re: First impressions of TOC
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2014, 01:12:36 PM »
First impression - could hardly pull the club back on the first tee, in awe of history.  Even after the round, I was impressed.  I couldn't see why some folks (including Snead) didn't like it.  I got Scottish golf right away.  (Note, I was 25, in 1980 when I first played)

More important memories come from the second and third plays over the years. Many observers say that the blind hazards become more visible each time you play, which I found to be true even with rounds split by 5 -10 years.  Thinks like the bunkers in the 6th fw, even though you can't see them over the gorse, you just know where they are, and remember to play a certain line.
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Tony_Muldoon

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Re: First impressions of TOC
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2014, 04:42:35 PM »
Thakns Bill, I recall posting about my first impression was the billiard table like smoothness of the first hole...it never gets old reading about TOC.

Fingers crossed for you.
Let's make GCA grate again!

Greg Taylor

Re: First impressions of TOC
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2014, 05:14:32 PM »
Love the subtlety of the first - the more safe/left you go... the higher the tariff on the approach, esp if the pin is tucked away on the rhs.

The best opening hole in golf - bar none!

Enjoy!

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