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Eric Smith

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Dr. Klein rates Dismal River Red a 9.0
« on: August 20, 2014, 02:52:05 PM »
...in the latest edition of Golfweek.

High marks considering only one course in the current Golfweek's Best Modern list has a rating in the 9's.
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Chris_Hufnagel

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Re: Dr. Klein rates Dismal River Red a 9.0
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2014, 03:12:12 PM »
Congratulations to Tom Doak, Chris Johnston and everyone associated with the course and the club.  That is pretty high praise for the course and I believe it would put it only behind Sand Hills on Golfweek's Modern List.  I believe Dr. Klein scored Dismal Nicklaus at 6.6 back in 2011...
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Stephen Davis

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Re: Dr. Klein rates Dismal River Red a 9.0
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2014, 03:40:10 PM »
Well done! Much deserved praise for everyone involved!
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Josh Smith

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Re: Dr. Klein rates Dismal River Red a 9.0
« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2014, 04:16:10 PM »
Congrats Chris Johnson and TD. 

Course is very memorable and unique.  A blast to play and stay. 
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Garland Bayley

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Re: Dr. Klein rates Dismal River Red a 9.0
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2014, 04:16:16 PM »
Quote from: Chris_Hufnagel on August 20, 2014, 03:12:12 PM
Congratulations to Tom Doak, Chris Johnston and everyone associated with the course and the club.  That is pretty high praise for the course and I believe it would put it only behind Sand Hills on Golfweek's Modern List.  I believe Dr. Klein scored Dismal Nicklaus at 6.6 back in 2011...

I don't think BK's ratings are the only ones that determine the courses in the Modern List. The location factor alone should keep Pac Dunes ahead of DR Red with most raters I would guess.
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Chris_Hufnagel

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Re: Dr. Klein rates Dismal River Red a 9.0
« Reply #5 on: August 20, 2014, 04:25:47 PM »
Quote from: GJ Bailey on August 20, 2014, 04:16:16 PM
Quote from: Chris_Hufnagel on August 20, 2014, 03:12:12 PM
Congratulations to Tom Doak, Chris Johnston and everyone associated with the course and the club.  That is pretty high praise for the course and I believe it would put it only behind Sand Hills on Golfweek's Modern List.  I believe Dr. Klein scored Dismal Nicklaus at 6.6 back in 2011...

I don't think BK's ratings are the only ones that determine the courses in the Modern List. The location factor alone should keep Pac Dunes ahead of DR Red with most raters I would guess.


GJ, that is correct.  I was only attempting to build on Eric's comment about only one course on the current list scored in the 9's - that being Sand Hills - I could have been more clear, as you are right that the scoring is the aggregate of all the ratings.
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Michael Wharton-Palmer

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Re: Dr. Klein rates Dismal River Red a 9.0
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2014, 04:38:49 PM »
Great news congratulations to all involved
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Bruce Wellmon

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Re: Dr. Klein rates Dismal River Red a 9.0
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2014, 04:51:30 PM »
Just walking the course in June 2012 with TD & many GCA'ers, it was obvious Red was going to grow up to be something very, very special.   

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Dan Herrmann

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Re: Dr. Klein rates Dismal River Red a 9.0
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2014, 05:12:06 PM »
Bruce Wellmon - you should've driven it in a Gator after the 2011 Fifth Major - now THAT was a wild ride!
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Mark Fedeli

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Re: Dr. Klein rates Dismal River Red a 9.0
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2014, 05:43:14 PM »
A fantastic write up. Congrats to all involved.

Here's the direct link: http://www.mydigitalpublication.com/publication/?i=221092&p=38
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William_G

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Re: Dr. Klein rates Dismal River Red a 9.0
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2014, 06:42:07 PM »
well done CJ  ;D

kudos to the Ren Team

and special acknowledgement to Tom Doak and Don Mahaffey
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Sam Morrow

Re: Dr. Klein rates Dismal River Red a 9.0
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2014, 06:46:07 PM »
Good thing they crossed the road.
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Michael Whitaker

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Re: Dr. Klein rates Dismal River Red a 9.0
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2014, 07:21:14 PM »
I loved Dismal Red... but, 9.0 on a 10 point scale? I would have thought the opportunities for improved conditioning would have yielded a more conservative rating. Brad knows his stuff, so I need to give this serious thought. Congrats to CJ, Tom and his team. I'm so glad I got to see the course in its early stages before experiencing the finished product this summer.
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William_G

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Re: Dr. Klein rates Dismal River Red a 9.0
« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2014, 08:38:46 PM »
Quote from: Michael Whitaker on August 20, 2014, 07:21:14 PM
I loved Dismal Red... but, 9.0 on a 10 point scale? I would have thought the opportunities for improved conditioning would have yielded a more conservative rating. Brad knows his stuff, so I need to give this serious thought. Congrats to CJ, Tom and his team. I'm so glad I got to see the course in its early stages before experiencing the finished product this summer.

Michael.

Serious thought for sure, you may need to get over your conditioning concerns overall with your perception of golf courses as you were bummed about that at Bandon over the 4th of July this year as well.

For Brad, he left the conditioning as unavailable/incomplete anyway, definitely a tough winter everywhere and now drought conditions all over the west, never seen Bandon so baked out. :)

Hope you health is good.

Go Ducks
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Michael Moore

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Re: Dr. Klein rates Dismal River Red a 9.0
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2014, 08:55:14 PM »
"You can forget notions of prevailing winds here, which is one reason there's no slope/rating for the scorecard nor fixed handicap index per hole."

Is this really true, or is it just that the course has yet to open? The White Course has ten course ratings. I am growing weary of this legend that the Sand Hills is too windy to be handicapped.
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William_G

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Re: Dr. Klein rates Dismal River Red a 9.0
« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2014, 09:11:12 PM »
Quote from: Michael Moore on August 20, 2014, 08:55:14 PM
"You can forget notions of prevailing winds here, which is one reason there's no slope/rating for the scorecard nor fixed handicap index per hole."

Is this really true, or is it just that the course has yet to open? The White Course has ten course ratings. I am growing weary of this legend that the Sand Hills is too windy to be handicapped.

no whiners please

who cares about handicaps anyway, it's only for betting
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Michael Whitaker

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Re: Dr. Klein rates Dismal River Red a 9.0
« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2014, 09:26:48 PM »
William,

It's so true... I was very bummed about the condition of the greens at a couple of the Bandon courses as well as Ballyneal. They seriously detracted from the courses IMHO. Courses of that quality and high ranking should present a quality playing surface... I mean, we are splitting hairs here to separate these courses from one another, are we not?

Dismal Red needs time to mature. I thought it was in amazing condition for its age, but there needs to be room for growth in these rankings. Is Brad saying that with improved conditions it would overtake Sand Hills?
« Last Edit: August 21, 2014, 12:44:33 AM by Michael Whitaker »
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Jason Thurman

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Re: Dr. Klein rates Dismal River Red a 9.0
« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2014, 09:29:13 PM »
Nae wager, nae golf.

I played to my handicap just fine in two club winds at Wild Horse and The Prairie Club a few years back. I agree with Michael and would also like to know whether or not the course will be rated.
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Evan Fleisher

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Re: Dr. Klein rates Dismal River Red a 9.0
« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2014, 10:19:37 PM »
Quote from: Sam Morrow on August 20, 2014, 06:46:07 PM
Good thing they crossed the road.

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jeffwarne

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Re: Dr. Klein rates Dismal River Red a 9.0
« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2014, 02:02:00 AM »
Quote from: William_G on August 20, 2014, 09:11:12 PM
Quote from: Michael Moore on August 20, 2014, 08:55:14 PM
"You can forget notions of prevailing winds here, which is one reason there's no slope/rating for the scorecard nor fixed handicap index per hole."

Is this really true, or is it just that the course has yet to open? The White Course has ten course ratings. I am growing weary of this legend that the Sand Hills is too windy to be handicapped.

no whiners please

who cares about handicaps anyway, it's only for betting

One thing that's great about no preassigned handicaps on the holes is you are not subject to the whims of a biased individual (club President ::) ::)) who thinks hole 8.9 and 17, 18 should be  1-4 in handicap order, thus butchering any bets involving presses.
Difficulty of the hole rarely matters, spacing of where the shots fall is far more important.
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Keith OHalloran

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Re: Dr. Klein rates Dismal River Red a 9.0
« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2014, 06:22:09 AM »
Quote from: jeffwarne on August 21, 2014, 02:02:00 AM
Quote from: William_G on August 20, 2014, 09:11:12 PM
Quote from: Michael Moore on August 20, 2014, 08:55:14 PM
"You can forget notions of prevailing winds here, which is one reason there's no slope/rating for the scorecard nor fixed handicap index per hole."

Is this really true, or is it just that the course has yet to open? The White Course has ten course ratings. I am growing weary of this legend that the Sand Hills is too windy to be handicapped.

no whiners please

who cares about handicaps anyway, it's only for betting

One thing that's great about no preassigned handicaps on the holes is you are not subject to the whims of a biased individual (club President ::) ::)) who thinks hole 8.9 and 17, 18 should be  1-4 in handicap order, thus butchering any bets involving presses.
Difficulty of the hole rarely matters, spacing of where the shots fall is far more important.

BUTCHering?.  ;D
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Jud_T

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Re: Dr. Klein rates Dismal River Red a 9.0
« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2014, 06:55:15 AM »
Only for betting?  That's like telling a guy like me that air is only for breathing.  Are the holes at Friar's Head handicapped?
« Last Edit: August 21, 2014, 07:02:19 AM by Jud_T »
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Keith OHalloran

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Re: Dr. Klein rates Dismal River Red a 9.0
« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2014, 06:56:47 AM »
Jud
My understanding is that they are not.
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Howard Riefs

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Re: Dr. Klein rates Dismal River Red a 9.0
« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2014, 07:57:59 AM »
Quote from: Jud_T on August 21, 2014, 06:55:15 AM
Only for betting?  That's like telling a guy like me that air is only for breathing.  Are the holes at Friar's Head handicapped?

They were not as of this 2007 scorecard.



http://www.cognizantgolf.com/new-york-scorecards.html
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Terry Lavin

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Re: Dr. Klein rates Dismal River Red a 9.0
« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2014, 08:20:46 AM »
Dismal Red is a magnificent layout by a great architect and a nice complement to the rollicking rambling routing of the White. Best of all is the matchless camaraderie and the starts-from-the-top fun ethos of the place.
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