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Bill_Yates

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Is that the way to finish a major?
« on: August 10, 2014, 08:46:57 PM »
I don't think so!

Taking the last two groups out of their playing sequence and rhythm had to have an effect on the outcome.
Bill Yates
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"When you manage the pace of play, you manage the quality of golf."

John Kavanaugh

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Re: Is that the way to finish a major?
« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2014, 08:48:34 PM »
It was the fastest way. You wrote the book, faster is always better.

Carl Johnson

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Re: Is that the way to finish a major?
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2014, 08:49:34 PM »
Yes, for me as a spectator (on TV) golf fan.  Exciting.  It's great show biz, which is what it's all about.  And, just like we recreational players face from time to time.

jeffwarne

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Re: Is that the way to finish a major?
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2014, 08:50:01 PM »
see other thread.
agreed
really, really poor.

very good John ;D ;D
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"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Bill_Yates

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Re: Is that the way to finish a major?
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2014, 08:51:05 PM »
Consistency is always better.  You can't tell me the next to last group wasn't forced out of their rhythm.
Bill Yates
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"When you manage the pace of play, you manage the quality of golf."

Ricardo Ramirez Calvo

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Re: Is that the way to finish a major?
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2014, 08:53:43 PM »
In my view, it was the best possible solution in a situation in which all alternatives were bad.
Ricardo

Andy Troeger

Re: Is that the way to finish a major?
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2014, 08:56:16 PM »
In my view, it was the best possible solution in a situation in which all alternatives were bad.

I think this is a pretty fair statement. This may have been the day to do the threesomes off both tees early in the day, but once they had the rain delay it forced a difficult situation.

It seemed like the last few groups were rushing for more than just the last hole, which is unfortunate. Rory certainly played the best down the stretch.

Andy Troeger

Re: Is that the way to finish a major?
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2014, 08:58:13 PM »
Credit to Phil and Rickie for taking the high road in their post-round interviews.

Mike Hendren

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Re: Is that the way to finish a major?
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2014, 08:58:29 PM »
Kudo's to Ricky and Phil - an extreme example of sportsmanship.  As I understand it either could have called it off.  Rory took the greatest risk, not the penultimate twosome.  He was mere feet away from getting bitten in the backside.  The outcome was just.  

It's not like somebody killed a fellow driver during a yellow flag.

Bogey
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Terry Lavin

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Re: Is that the way to finish a major?
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2014, 08:58:46 PM »
Phil and Rickie took the high road. Case closed.
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Ben Sims

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Re: Is that the way to finish a major?
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2014, 08:59:55 PM »
Reason #542 why there needs to be more west coast majors. It hasn't rained since, well, I can't remember in the Pac NW. And don't give me that "population center" horsebung. Kentucky and Kohler ain't exactly Manhattan. I'm really disappointed in how many majors get thumped on by Mother Nature.

It was an an inexcusably poor decision to continue the way they did. Phil, unsurprisingly, showed some class and sounded magnanimous about the cluferstuck.

Mike Hendren

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Re: Is that the way to finish a major?
« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2014, 09:02:11 PM »
Good point Ben.  Weather should play no part in the game of golf. 
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Bill_Yates

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Re: Is that the way to finish a major?
« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2014, 09:08:06 PM »
I fully agree. Phil and Rickie were gracious and a class act.

Congrats to Rory!!!
Bill Yates
www.pacemanager.com 
"When you manage the pace of play, you manage the quality of golf."

John Kavanaugh

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Re: Is that the way to finish a major?
« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2014, 09:10:38 PM »
I'm glad that we can all agree, under the guidance of the games leading expert, that being rushed and letting a group play through is disruptive to a players rhythm and may change the outcome of a match.  

Jason Thurman

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Re: Is that the way to finish a major?
« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2014, 09:13:49 PM »
I would be out of my league participating in this thread. Game recognize game. Michael and John are making me wish this site had a Retweet function.
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Mike Sweeney

Re: Is that the way to finish a major?
« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2014, 09:15:46 PM »
I'm glad that we can all agree, under the guidance of the games leading expert, that being rushed and letting a group play through is disruptive to a players rhythm and may change the outcome of a match.  

You are the best, but just for the record, no groups played through.

John Kavanaugh

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Re: Is that the way to finish a major?
« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2014, 09:18:43 PM »
I just want an explanation from the guru of giddyup exactly what went wrong here that doesn't apply to my match on the weekend.

BCowan

Re: Is that the way to finish a major?
« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2014, 09:21:49 PM »
I just want an explanation from the guru of giddyup exactly what went wrong here that doesn't apply to my match on the weekend.

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Jkava you crack me up. 

jeffwarne

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Re: Is that the way to finish a major?
« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2014, 09:22:46 PM »
I would be out of my league participating in this thread. Game recognize game. Michael and John are making me wish this site had a Retweet function.

+1

Phil Rory Rickie all class acts.

I'm normally a play it down guy,and am amazed at how often lift clean and place are employed, and laugh at mud ball complaints,BUT......., in this case, it seemed that it was a distinct advantage to plug, or find casual water in the fairway so you could clean the ball.
The last day seemed particularly dicey.
But the best player won
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Paul Jones

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Re: Is that the way to finish a major?
« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2014, 09:28:10 PM »
Could Fowler or Mickelson stop playing b/c of darkness?

Agree that Fowler, Mickelson handled it with class.
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: Is that the way to finish a major?
« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2014, 09:33:04 PM »
Every weekend I play two or three holes exactly like this because of people who need to finish before darkness sets on their marriage. I'm glad you all got to see how it works. 

Andy Shulman

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Re: Is that the way to finish a major?
« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2014, 09:34:20 PM »
Indeed!  The pace of play on the last several holes was a rare pleasure to watch and kind of makes you wonder why they can't play at that pace all the time....Jim Furyk and Ben Crane notwithstanding!

Mark Bourgeois

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Re: Is that the way to finish a major?
« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2014, 09:35:38 PM »
Pretty slipshod toonamint management by the PGA, starting with too-late starting times on Sunday. The finish was a fiasco.

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Garland Bayley

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Re: Is that the way to finish a major?
« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2014, 09:37:27 PM »
Those guys are professionals. They are playing for a huge amount of money, mostly from TV revenue. They know they do what's best for TV.

Rhythm as an issue is just nonsense in the whole scheme of things.
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JMEvensky

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Re: Is that the way to finish a major?
« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2014, 09:45:19 PM »

Could Fowler or Mickelson stop playing b/c of darkness?



I believe the answer is yes--the decision to continue or stop is solely the player's.

But McIlroy would've had the same option and presumably could have finished.

I hope Pat Burke will see this and chime in on how this might have played out and whether there's pressure from the PGA to finish.

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