Tillinghast, MacKenzie, and the Problematic Scott-Taylor Collection (Updated)

[Tommy Naccarato]

Duncan and Dónal,

I think Niall mentioned the fact that the Score's Hotel didn't open until the 1930's on another thread.

I have at least one other problem with Phil's explanation.  According to Phil, the May 12, 1901 was supposedly written on Score's letterhead.   Would the 1901 Grand Hotel have created letterhead using a nickname?
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Phil,

After I provided you with proof that Tillinghast couldn't have been there, you messaged Ian Scott-Taylor and requested that he immediately send you (among other things) a photograph of the note showing the Score's letterhead.

Did Mr. Scott-Taylor send you that photograph?  Or did "logistics" once again keep him from providing you with the information you requested?

This was found at my lawyers (Solicitor's) office. It is for sale in the lobby, $9.95 a copy. Get one now before they're gone. It will not be reprinted!

[Duncan Cheslett]

 

Excellent!

[Niall C]

Tommy

Has this been vetted ? I have my suspicions that the imperial system was used for measuring weight back in 1901.

Yours very helpfully

Niall

[Tommy Naccarato]

Tommy

Has this been vetted ? I have my suspicions that the imperial system was used for measuring weight back in 1901.

Yours very helpfully

Niall

Niall, You of all people know the Scots! Anything in the face of the Royals, they were going to be a part of, including in the measuring of their sheep stomach! 

[RJ_Daley]

The Food Channel is probably already on scene at The Scores Hotel with their star glutton Adam, pounding down that 2 kilo haggis. 

Bonnar and Naccarato, Solicitors of 'Scotch high comedy'.

[Tommy Naccarato]

Don't you give me any of that! You and Jo would be there also!

[Patrick_Mucci]

This phrase troubles me because it's not possible that it was written contemporaneously.


Not only could it not have been written contemporaneously, but it would have to have been written several months or years later to make any sense at all.

Which means that all entries in that particular bound book after this entry were also written months or years after the events they describe.

If subsequent bound volumes continue chronologically without break or overlap then they too must have been written 'after the event.'

There cannot be any other explanation.

Ergo, these are not journals - they are either;

a.    Memoirs by David Scott-Taylor written in a faux journal style.

or

b.    A complete fake written by somebody else.


You're a little late to the party Pat, but the point you make is crucial. David Moriarty has already covered it extensively but you put it better in far fewer words!

Duncan, it's very difficult to attend several parties simultanteously, ergo I apologize for being tardy to your party.

Incidentally,  I have received emails from many members of this discussion group supporting my stance. Several have submitted samples from the 'journals' to lexicographers for analysis to see whether the language and syntax used could possibly be authentic Edwardian English.

I await these results with much interest.

If I've learned one thing from watching "Pawnstars", it's get certificates of authentication from bona fide sources.

[Bill Shotzbarger]

I am extremely jealous of the research skills displayed in this debate.

[Duncan Cheslett]

I am extremely jealous of the research skills displayed in this debate.

Would that such skills had been displayed by the originators of the story...

[Pat Burke]

Gentlemen,
I have no dog in this fight,
but I want to thank you.  it is great reading.
Tommy, ruined my damned keyboard spitting iced tea in it!
Phil and David, keep working, and keep civilly searching for the truth, it is
very interesting.
Great work

[Ulrich Mayring]

Until this matter is resolved (i. e. authenticity established or refuted), I believe it best to not make a mockery of one of the involved parties. After all, that party may turn out to have been correct after all and then would have been unfairly ridiculed on this board by people acting on a whim. I feel that would be a disservice to all of us.

Just my opinion,

Ulrich

[DMoriarty]

Bump

[DMoriarty]

The Phil Young / Ian Scott Taylor Fraud continues.  The latest sucker?  Links Magazine.

http://www.linksmagazine.com/best_of_golf/the-lost-drawings-of-augusta-national

I've bumped some of the related threads for anyone interested in a more in-depth examination of this Fraud/Forgery scheme.

(I would have started a new thread, but my 'start a new thread' feature isn't working.)

[Mark Bourgeois]

There is no record in either the Olmsted correspondence or graphics to indicate Mac ever contemplated the 13th as a par 4 or that the green was to be anything else than it became.

Nor is there any indication of these changes in David Owens's definitive history.

The truly remarkable thing about the design is the exact opposite of what these materials indicate: that Mac spent bare days walking the property and from that just a couple months later developed a fully-formed design that did not change through the construction process. This despite the Olmsted partner asking for changes to accommodate housing.

[Rich Goodale]

IMO, this is either an interesting find (for GCA wing-nuts only) or a very carefully written/sketched forgery.

[Joshua Pettit]

I'm deeply offended by this.

I can guarantee with 100% certainly this material is fraudulent.  I pity Mr. Frank and Links Magazine.

[Alex Miller]

I'm deeply offended by this.

I can guarantee with 100% certainly this material is fraudulent.  I pity Mr. Frank and Links Magazine.

Same. The material is so outlandish that I can't help but pity Mr. Frank - it would seem some additional research would have benefited here, but a stamp of authenticity goes a long way.


Makes me think of an interesting documentary I watched on Netflix recently, Beltracchi: The Art of the Forgery.

[Tommy Naccarato]

Removed.


What can one said that hasn't already been said about these two?!?!?!

[Marty Bonnar]

Phil,
If you are no longer involved in this, I think it's completely incumbent upon you to provide Links magazine and Green Jacket Auctions with the necessary information surrounding this activity.
Regards,
Martin.

[Tim_Cronin]

I didn't know today was Groundhog Day.


Maybe someone can call Clifford Irving to sort it all out, once and for all.

[DMoriarty]

Phil,
If you are no longer involved in this, I think it's completely incumbent upon you to provide Links magazine and Green Jacket Auctions with the necessary information surrounding this activity.
Regards,
Martin.

According the article, Phil is very much involved (my emphasis):

"Throughout that time, the drawings, along with other golf artifacts, were with the family’s lawyers, where they remained until about 10 years ago when they passed down to Scott-Taylor’s grandson Ian, himself a course architect. Since then, Young has had their provenance and other aspects of the drawings authenticated and has made plans for their sale: As of this writing, the sketches are consigned to Green Jacket Auctions, which is negotiating with a private collector for their purchase."

[Tommy Naccarato]

Phil,
If you are no longer involved in this, I think it's completely incumbent upon you to provide Links magazine and Green Jacket Auctions with the necessary information surrounding this activity.
Regards,
Martin.

Well said Martin, but I think Phil was at sea on the HMS Scott-Taylor as it sank slowly into the sunset many months ago.  His heart will go on.  Meanwhile, there is a greeter at Target who is on shore laughing his ass off!

[Tommy Naccarato]

David, I think that is more then enough proof that Phil is acting as family spokesperson, correct?

[Tommy Naccarato]

OH WAIT! I GET IT!!!!!!


Links Magazine is playing an April Fool's joke on all of us!  You guys stop it down there in SoCaro!  Your killing us! LOL!

[Mark Pearce]

The article suggests that a sale of these materials is being negotiated.  Evidence that a crime is being committed. Does anyone have conatact details for the auction house named?