Why no environmental comparison between P#2 & ANGC?

[Carl Rogers]

How much water & fertilizer does ANGC use each year?

[jeffwarne]

How much water & fertilizer does ANGC use each year?

I bet Pinehurst uses more

[Anthony_Nysse]

How much water & fertilizer does ANGC use each year?

You're trying to compare a course that goes dormant from Nov-April to a courses that overseed. Very much apples to oranges

[Carl Rogers]

Does anyone have a guess at the ANGC stats?

[BCowan]

When you bring up ''environment'' as a comparison you are already turning people (avg golfer) off going brown.  If one sells people on the idea of longer drives, the increased shot value, ect. you are going to lure more people to the idea. 

[Jaeger Kovich]

Does ANGC allow carts? #2 does not. That makes a huge difference as well... In fact one of things that disappointed me in all the coverage and writing, is nobody once stood up and said that the restoration would not have been possible if they let golf carts anywhere but strictly paths only.

[Mike_Young]

During the mid 80's the Sierra Club was bitching about ANGC and how they damaged the environment.  ANGC had a report published showing that the Sierra Club created more environmental damage in the creation of their brochure condemning ANGC than ANGC did in a year.   

[Patrick_Mucci]

How much water & fertilizer does ANGC use each year?

Less than Pinehurst, what's your point ?

[Paul Jones]

During the mid 80's the Sierra Club was bitching about ANGC and how they damaged the environment.  ANGC had a report published showing that the Sierra Club created more environmental damage in the creation of their brochure condemning ANGC than ANGC did in a year.   

Mike,

Any chance you have a copy of that report? That is funny.

[Mike_Young]

During the mid 80's the Sierra Club was bitching about ANGC and how they damaged the environment.  ANGC had a report published showing that the Sierra Club created more environmental damage in the creation of their brochure condemning ANGC than ANGC did in a year.   

Mike,

Any chance you have a copy of that report? That is funny.

Paul,
I don't.  I just remember calling on them that year and how it aggravated the greenchair and the supt etc...that was what we were told several times, so I assume they just had someone come up with it....

[Mike Bowen]

As a non-turf guy, how is it possible that ANGC has such incredible course conditions but doesn't use that much water or fertilizer?

[Patrick_Mucci]

As a non-turf guy, how is it possible that ANGC has such incredible course conditions but doesn't use that much water or fertilizer?

Because they're closed half the year.

The incredible course conditions you see in April are what the course is groomed for as the year leads up to April.

You won't see those conditions in November, January or February.

[jeffwarne]

As a non-turf guy, how is it possible that ANGC has such incredible course conditions but doesn't use that much water or fertilizer?

That and you can grow rye grass overseed on a driveway.
Not much watering required during winter.

and Pinehurst has 8+courses

[Josh Stevens]

Looking at the stats, Augusta does not have huge rainfall variation across the year, but still, the highest rainfall is June, July, August - matching the highest temperatures, so water usage is prob not so terrible.  Pinehurst is similar


Very different to the Mediterranean climate of Southern California where summers are very dry  and hot - massive water requirement as a result

[Tom_Doak]

The simple answer to the original post is that nobody in the golf business wants to risk their ticket to The Masters.

The other answer is that everything at Augusta is such a closely guarded secret that people would just be guessing.  But, it is certainly in their favor, not only that they are closed for a few months but that they play a small fraction of the number of rounds that are put across Pinehurst #2 in the course of a year.

[Carl Rogers]

I see I have asked a not so innocent question .............. ?

[Keith Grande]

I'd love to see ANGC in the summer, does it play firm and fast?  Or does the summer heat kill the bent grass?  I haven't seen pictures of the course during the summer.

[Adam Lawrence]

I'd love to see ANGC in the summer, does it play firm and fast?  Or does the summer heat kill the bent grass?  I haven't seen pictures of the course during the summer.

Keith - it doesn't play at all in the summer. It shuts after the Masters and reopens in the autumn. Also, the underlying fairways are bermuda, not bent (the greens are bent though).

[Keith Grande]

Adam, I'm aware that they close for the summer, was just curious what the conditions are during that time.

[William_G]

The simple answer to the original post is that nobody in the golf business wants to risk their ticket to The Masters.

The other answer is that everything at Augusta is such a closely guarded secret that people would just be guessing.  But, it is certainly in their favor, not only that they are closed for a few months but that they play a small fraction of the number of rounds that are put across Pinehurst #2 in the course of a year.

+1

[Keith Grande]

Perhaps it can be quantified in gallons per round played.

[Carl Rogers]

How much water & fertilizer does ANGC use each year?

Less than Pinehurst, what's your point ?

The political element of it all.  ANGC has to be one of the symbols of the game.