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Nigel Islam

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Re: Blaketree National Redesign by Tiger
« Reply #25 on: December 05, 2014, 12:56:56 PM »
Two questions arose from reading this thread:

1. What happened to the original course, was it just dozed over or are elements incorporated into the new design?
2. Isn't 84 acres of turfed grass a low number for a course designed to eliminate looking for lost balls?

Jason Thurman

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Re: Blaketree National Redesign by Tiger
« Reply #26 on: December 05, 2014, 01:23:44 PM »
Have there been any changes to the plan to maintain all turf with a fairway cut? Given events of the last 24 hours, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that they're now going to avoid short grass around the greens.
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Nigel Islam

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Re: Blaketree National Redesign by Tiger
« Reply #27 on: December 05, 2014, 05:01:12 PM »
Have there been any changes to the plan to maintain all turf with a fairway cut? Given events of the last 24 hours, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that they're now going to avoid short grass around the greens.

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jeffwarne

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Re: Blaketree National Redesign by Tiger
« Reply #28 on: December 05, 2014, 05:11:18 PM »
Have there been any changes to the plan to maintain all turf with a fairway cut? Given events of the last 24 hours, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that they're now going to avoid short grass around the greens.

If we're talking about eliminating super short moist grass (to help keep it alive at super short height;D),
That would make Tiger my new hero.
Has anyone ever seen an elite player DUFF (and I mean DUFF) 4 chips/pitches in a round

Just about vomited listening to all the talking heads talk about chipping/pitching today like it was the most impossible. complicated thing on earth.
Mow the grass at a reasonable height and turn off the water and we'll all be just fine.
i.e. playing off painted mud is no fun.
It'd be nice to focus on the demands of the terrain between the golfer and the hole rather than the the turf (or lack of it ::)) underneath the ball.
Agronomy gone mad -aka how big is my agronomy johnson.

We talk about technology making the game easier on other threads but every day at courses with well heeled budgets technology is being used to cut green/roll surrounds and now even fairways to heights(or virtual heights in the cae of rolling) that just absolutely kill the average player and make taking a divot imperative to reach the back of the ball and the center of the clubface ::) ::)
This is driving Mr. and Mrs. Befuvnick out of the game faster than inappropriate tees and forced carries.
Poor contact = no fun.

Go to a public course with a even slightly higher cut and 40,000 round and you'll see less divots around than a mega budget course with 10000 rounds because a player with a less than perfect arc can brush the grass and still make reasonable contact when the grass is not paint height on a soft surface.
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Paul Gray

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Re: Blaketree National Redesign by Tiger
« Reply #29 on: December 05, 2014, 05:16:29 PM »
Looking at the Master Plan - I really like how the houses are positioned on the outside of the course - http://www.bluejacknational.com/master-plan/

Is this now a real estate forum?
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Paul Jones

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Re: Blaketree National Redesign by Tiger
« Reply #30 on: January 05, 2015, 05:03:51 PM »
Did it open in December? 

From Golf - http://www.golf.com/photos/most-anticipated-new-courses-2015#4

Hewn from a layout that Coore-Crenshaw worked on that closed down in 2005, the latest venture from Tiger Woods Design will attempt to build on the momentum from successfully opening his first course, El Cardonal at Mexico’s Diamante in December 2014. Mature trees, natural water hazards and elevation changes unusual for the Houston area make this an ideal venue for parkland golf.
 
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Paul Jones

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Re: Blaketree National Redesign by Tiger
« Reply #31 on: January 05, 2015, 05:16:14 PM »
Did it open in December? 

From Golf - http://www.golf.com/photos/most-anticipated-new-courses-2015#4

Hewn from a layout that Coore-Crenshaw worked on that closed down in 2005, the latest venture from Tiger Woods Design will attempt to build on the momentum from successfully opening his first course, El Cardonal at Mexico’s Diamante in December 2014. Mature trees, natural water hazards and elevation changes unusual for the Houston area make this an ideal venue for parkland golf.
 


Misread...  I just called and they are planning on opening October 2015.
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Steve Lang

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Re: Blaketree National Redesign by Tiger
« Reply #32 on: January 05, 2015, 07:03:49 PM »
Two questions arose from reading this thread:

1. What happened to the original course, was it just dozed over or are elements incorporated into the new design?
2. Isn't 84 acres of turfed grass a low number for a course designed to eliminate looking for lost balls?

In regard to Q#1 Some quick notes looking over routing.. some of best saved from old layout..



Old # 1 = New #6

Old #2 par 3 up the hill gone, new #7 par 3 uses pond

Old #3 now # 9,  great hole saved

Old $4 now new #1, great cape hole, personal favorite saved.. thanks tiger team



Old #5 still # 5, fall away green looks to be changed, area always had drainage issues

Old #6 up the hill gone, was always a tough 2-shotter with big sloping green

Old #7, a long par 3 with highly protected green with left and right deep bunkers is gone, now #4 .  Seems a little far walk from # 5 green

Old #8 which was once a 493 yd par 4, which turned to par 5 and had wild hog damage every year in fairway, now #2.. seems a little far walk from new #1 green

Old #9 which was a terror filled 2-shotter with green in hillside above small pond, then neutered into a 3-shotter, now reduced to a  one -shotter… is Full Cycle karma happening?

Old #10 , long downhill par 3 signature picture hole with pond right gone… real shame,  real shame its gone.


Old # 11 a fun short downhill , right to left curving fairway, 2-shotter with shallow multi-tier green gone.  Was a real skill test, too bad.

Old #12 was always quirky going up hill, over to terraced fairway and then testy approach to long green on hillside just above pond.  Looks like now a 1-shotter, best part of old hole..

Old #13 which was a fun redan is gone.  Once upon a time you could/or had to play 10 yards to right of green to bounce it on and keep it in play..  Now #13 looks to be a 3-shotter with new cutting into the woods..

Old #14 over the lake to a smallish green with death right is gone.  

Old #15 2-shotter now part of #11 a 3-shotter.  Old #15 was a fun-fav hole with right to left dogleg uphill tee shot and downhill approach to fall away green, which used to require measured ground approach…

Old #16 par 5 with big tee shot up or over hills and 2nd shot to flat creek area and then funky uphill blind shot to green with rr tie front facing route appears reused in reverse direction… we used to redo the #12 to 15 loop by cutting through the woods.. which seems still possible there..

Old #17 a short almost 90 degree risk-reward dogleg right with a corner pond to uphill green  appears gone.. many had a love hate relationship with this hole (primarily due to slices into pond) , now looks reversed as New #10

Old #18 a closing par 5 with tough drive with bunkes in hill side right, which used to run S to N is also reversed; now runs N-S … looks like its green is now new #17 green.


In regard to Q#2... lost balls were never really an issue at Blaketree, other than a few holes with water and tall grass..
« Last Edit: January 06, 2015, 08:31:47 PM by Steve Lang »
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Michael Wharton-Palmer

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Re: Blaketree National Redesign by Tiger
« Reply #33 on: January 06, 2015, 08:52:53 AM »
When I spoke to the design team in Cabo, they said
"we are planning on using the existing playing lanes as laid down by C&C, changing some of the routing but not the playing lanes.

Steve Lang

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Re: Blaketree National Redesign by Tiger New
« Reply #34 on: January 06, 2015, 08:30:57 PM »
 8) MWP,  largely true... the reversed holes should be interesting and no one will really miss the front part of Old #12..  this seems like a house renovation on H&G TV...
« Last Edit: January 06, 2015, 08:35:42 PM by Steve Lang »
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