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Patrick_Mucci

a rattlesnake.

But that's what was on the 16th hole at Pine Tree when my son and I played there a short while ago.

Fortunately, we didn't encounter it, but a fellow looking for his ball in the bushes did.

The warning was loud and clear.

No matter where we are I always tell my son to take an iron with him when he goes into the bushes, woods or near a water hazard to look for his ball.   I no longer need to remind him.   The message has been indelibly etched in his memory banks.

What's he most unusual thing that you've encountered on the golf course.

Being bitten by a fire ant at Jupiter Hills is probably tops for me.
That hurt

Chris Johnston

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Re: An unusual hazard for a southeastern course in Florida would be
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2014, 12:30:15 PM »
1.  A deceased human being back in Cincinnati

2.  A badger at Dismal River

3.  A Pelican at Dismal River

4 . A tornado off in the distance (actually two tubes from the same cloud) at Dismal River

5.  Warren Buffet and Bill Gates together playing golf

Patrick_Mucci

Re: An unusual hazard for a southeastern course in Florida would be
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2014, 12:34:50 PM »
Chris,

What are you trying to tell me about Dismal River ? ;D

Eric Smith

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Re: An unusual hazard for a southeastern course in Florida would be
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2014, 12:36:46 PM »
O.J. Simpson at Miccosukee GC

Terry Lavin

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Re: An unusual hazard for a southeastern course in Florida would be
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2014, 12:43:14 PM »
I saw OJ at Wilshire back in the day which was creepy, but I saw Larry David once at Riviera and he was characteristically odd.

Weather wise, we were chased off the course at Butler by a funnel cloud and 75 mph winds. Saw a 40 foot tree ripped out of the ground. Took many ounces of vodka to calm down.
Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.  H.L. Mencken

Dave McCollum

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Re: An unusual hazard for a southeastern course in Florida would be
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2014, 12:54:19 PM »
A Hispanic family having a picnic in the middle of the 12th fairway LZ.  They drifted over from adjacent park.  Spoke no English.  My Spanish is like my golf game, but I did manage to convince them to find a safer place.   

Michael Felton

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Re: An unusual hazard for a southeastern course in Florida would be
« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2014, 02:32:31 PM »
A bobcat at Desert Forest would be top of the list for me. That was quite unnerving. Never seen a cat that size without rather large fencing between us.

jeffwarne

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Re: An unusual hazard for a southeastern course in Florida would be
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2014, 02:34:15 PM »
a caddy with a story ::) ::)
"Let's slow the damned greens down a bit, not take the character out of them." Tom Doak
"Take their focus off the grass and put it squarely on interesting golf." Don Mahaffey

Patrick_Mucci

Re: An unusual hazard for a southeastern course in Florida would be
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2014, 02:58:43 PM »

mike_beene

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Re: An unusual hazard for a southeastern course in Florida would be
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2014, 06:04:24 PM »
A lost lady driving a Cadillac across the golf course. She turned in a cart gate and fortunately didn't drive across a cart bridge.

Jim_Kennedy

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Re: An unusual hazard for a southeastern course in Florida would be
« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2014, 06:30:13 PM »
A bear just off the 8th tee at my home course. We didn't see him as we walked to the tee, but and as we walked off we noticed him scratching his back on a Pine tree not more than 20 yards away. He noticed us, gave us a grunt, and sauntered off. I would have grunted back if I wasn't speechless.  :o

Same course - we were sitting on the front porch looking down the 9th when a good sized bobcat came out of the brush and cooked a poor goose's goose, then dragged it off.

At Oak Ford GC near Sarasota we were watching two squirrels having a tussle about 50 yards away from us in the fairway. A humongous eagle took advantage of the situation, swooped down and snatched one of them.   
"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

Mark Bourgeois

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Re: An unusual hazard for a southeastern course in Florida would be
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2014, 06:35:10 PM »
The rattlers never bothered me so much as the cottonmouths and to a lesser extent copperheads. In a few hours the Aussies will wake up and roundly mock us. I've got a few chops though as I once was "confronted" by a brown one morning. Made a note never again to bound up clubhouse steps at the beginning of the day.
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Mark Saltzman

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Re: An unusual hazard for a southeastern course in Florida would be
« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2014, 06:53:12 PM »
The rattlers never bothered me so much as the cottonmouths and to a lesser extent copperheads. In a few hours the Aussies will wake up and roundly mock us. I've got a few chops though as I once was "confronted" by a brown one morning. Made a note never again to bound up clubhouse steps at the beginning of the day.

Bingo. They talk about Huntsman Spiders dropping on your chest from a visor like it's a non-issue. What, it's just a spider the size of your arm walking on you in a confined space.

Bill_McBride

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Re: An unusual hazard for a southeastern course in Florida would be
« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2014, 07:14:39 PM »
Rattler at Rustic, near the OB line right of 14th fairway.   Not sure who was more startled, he slithered into his cave and I hotfooted it off to the green.   I forget whose ball I was looking for. 

Colin Macqueen

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Re: An unusual hazard for a southeastern course in Florida would be
« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2014, 07:36:19 PM »
Pat M,

'Tis all very well to take a trusty iron into the bush with you but remember that hospital statistics tell us up to 90% of snake bites occur as homo sapiens attempts to despatch the slithering snake. The red belly black snake on our porch, here in Brisbane yesterday was allowed to wend its weary way off the deck under its own steam!

Yep snakes on the Australian courses are just another hazard! As to mocking by Aussies, I am an Australian but not born and bred thus I do not have the mocking skills that thoroughbred Aussies have.  I will leave the derision to the experts!!!  It will be a'coming!!

Cheers Colin
"Golf, thou art a gentle sprite, I owe thee much"
The Hielander

John McCarthy

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Re: An unusual hazard for a southeastern course in Florida would be
« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2014, 07:46:32 PM »
I saw OJ at Wilshire back in the day which was creepy, but I saw Larry David once at Riviera and he was characteristically odd.

Weather wise, we were chased off the course at Butler by a funnel cloud and 75 mph winds. Saw a 40 foot tree ripped out of the ground. Took many ounces of vodka to calm down.

Terry:  Was this in 84 or 85?  I was there.  Tree missed me by about 30 feet.
The only way of really finding out a man's true character is to play golf with him. In no other walk of life does the cloven hoof so quickly display itself.
 PG Wodehouse

Peter Ferlicca

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Re: An unusual hazard for a southeastern course in Florida would be
« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2014, 08:11:34 PM »
A lost lady driving a Cadillac across the golf course. She turned in a cart gate and fortunately didn't drive across a cart bridge.

That is funny, when I was working at Stone Eagle, for people that are familiar with the place they will get how funny this is.  I am playing golf late in the afternoon on a Friday night, we are having dinner at the Aerie that night.  The clubhouse to stop and park at is down the hill and then you get shuttled up the hill for dinner.  Well, these people didn't get the message and just kept driving past the clubhouse and up the maintenance road to the golf course.  So, I am teeing off the 16th hole and all of a sudden I see a Range Rover driving down the cart path by 16th green, I immediately drive up to them and tell them they need to turn around.  My thought was, how is heavens name did you think that was a road for CARS.  They of course seemed clueless.  I do understand it is easy to get lost there though, it has happened numerous times. 

Mike_Young

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Re: An unusual hazard for a southeastern course in Florida would be
« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2014, 08:55:25 PM »
The below happened at a course we did in Savannah, Ga:
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Golfer recovering from rattlesnake bite
Roy Williamson, 60, credits family, Henderson Golf Course staff, medical personnel for reacting fast to save his life.

A Savannah golfer encountered the hazard of his life last week while playing a round at Henderson Golf Club.

Roy Williamson, 60, was bitten twice in the head by a rattlesnake as he tried to pick up a golf ball that landed in some wetlands.

The incident occurred Nov. 6 near the ninth hole, where Williamson had teed off and hit what he described as "a bad shot." The bad shot turned worse when he left the fairway and went to retrieve his ball.

"I saw my ball pretty much in plain view," Williamson, who is still recovering, said Thursday. "Unfortunately, it was being tended to by a rattlesnake that I didn't see."

Williamson picked up the ball. As he stood up, he said he felt something scratch at his right temple. He slapped at what he thought was a briar, saw blood — and then the snake.

What to do if you encounter a snake

Poisonous snakes in Georgia include Eastern diamondback rattlers, canebreak (timber) rattlers, water moccasins, cottonmouths and coral snakes. If you encounter any kind of snake in the wild, don't try kill it – this is when most snake bites occur. Instead, stop moving. Then, slowly take two or three steps backward, away from the snake. If the snake is in your path, make a wide berth around the creature, being careful not to disturb it.

If you are bitten, call 911 immediately or have someone take you to the nearest hospital. Poisonous snake venom enters the bloodstream shortly after a snake strikes, and you'll need to get medical help as soon as possible. Don't try to cut open the wound and suck the venom out. This method can actually help spread the venom and cause you to lose precious time.

"You hear fish stories about the one that got away," he said. "Well, this snake was a good six inches around and a good six-and-a-half or seven feet long."

He started screaming for help, and the three men he was playing with — his son, brother and brother-in-law — came running.

"My son is 35, and he's a good-sized man," Williamson continued. "I haven't seen him move that fast since he was 16."

Williamson remembers reaching the clubhouse. The next thing he knew, it was not Thursday anymore, but Sunday. Doctors determined that the snake actually had bitten him twice. Because it struck him in the right temple, medical personnel told him the venom immediately spread throughout his body. He credits his family, the Henderson staff, medical personnel in the ambulance and at the hospital for acting quickly.

"These people saved my life," he said.

Alan Cale, general manager of Henderson Golf Club, said that while Williamson was being taken to the hospital, employees immediately roped off the area and posted warning signs. The incident was reported to the Georgia Department of Natural Resources, and professional snake handlers in Claxton have also been called to assist in rounding up any snakes at the course.

This is the first time an incident like this has occurred there.

"It's an unfortunate accident, but on a golf course — out in nature — you're going to have wildlife," Cale said.

Scott Courdin, wildlife curator at Georgia Southern University, agreed.

"Golf courses do tend to be manicured," Courdin said. "A lot of people think because they are manicured, wildlife might not be around. Golf courses may be in the middle of a neighborhood or surrounded by development, but that doesn't mean there's not going to be snakes there."

In fact, snakes of all types — including rattlers, water moccasins, copperheads and coral snakes — are plentiful in Georgia. Rattlers are particularly popular on barrier islands, where they feast on mostly small creatures like cotton rats and marsh rabbits, said Brad Winn, senior wildlife biologist with the Georgia Department of Natural Resources non-game and wildlife program, based in Brunswick.

"Georgia barrier islands have some of the best rattlesnake habitats," Winn said.

Both he and Courdin explained that snakes, including venomous ones, are usually peaceful creatures who just want to be left alone.

"Usually, the only time a snake bites is when it feels threatened," Courdin said. "They're not aggressive. They don't chase people, and they don't go out of their way to bite people."

And contrary to popular belief, rattlers don't always make the sound they're named after.

"Most of the rattlers I've encountered don't rattle at all," Winn said. "They'll tend to move away from the place being disturbed. If they're surprised or threatened or touched or stepped on, then they tend to become the rattlesnake people tend to fear."

The best thing to do to prevent a snake bite is to leave one alone if you see it and to watch where you step, both Winn and Courdin said.

Williamson has learned that lesson well. While he plans to play golf again, the next time around, he'll be much more careful.

"If I go out now and hit a ball off of the fairway in any fashion or form, I will not go after it," he said.
"just standing on a corner in Winslow Arizona"

John McCarthy

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Re: An unusual hazard for a southeastern course in Florida would be
« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2014, 10:08:32 PM »
Mike Young:  there is a novel called "A Feast of Snakes" by Harry Crews which is a fictionalized version of the very real annual rattlesnake roundup in Bacon County Georgia. 

It was a very good read 25 years ago but I have not revisited it as an adult.
The only way of really finding out a man's true character is to play golf with him. In no other walk of life does the cloven hoof so quickly display itself.
 PG Wodehouse

Anthony_Nysse

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Re: An unusual hazard for a southeastern course in Florida would be
« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2014, 10:23:19 PM »
I heard about this a few weeks ago and still sort of watching the area. I've can count on 1 hand how many snakes of any size I've seen at PT in 5 years, certainly no alligators. Thank goodness, otherwise Wilson, my pup couldn't swim in the ponds!
Anthony J. Nysse
Director of Golf Courses & Grounds
Apogee Club
Hobe Sound, FL

Patrick_Mucci

Re: An unusual hazard for a southeastern course in Florida would be
« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2014, 10:48:20 PM »
Pat M,

'Tis all very well to take a trusty iron into the bush with you but remember that hospital statistics tell us up to 90% of snake bites occur as homo sapiens attempts to despatch the slithering snake. The red belly black snake on our porch, here in Brisbane yesterday was allowed to wend its weary way off the deck under its own steam!

Colin,

It's been my limited experience that there's less risk involved in retrieving your ball from underneath dense undergrowth with an iron rather than your hand and arm.

Snakes are free to bite my trusty 4-iron at will.

I've also found that the distance from the head of my iron to my arm and/or body is greater than the distance from my hand to my arm.


Yep snakes on the Australian courses are just another hazard! As to mocking by Aussies, I am an Australian but not born and bred thus I do not have the mocking skills that thoroughbred Aussies have.  I will leave the derision to the experts!!!  It will be a'coming!!
The "unexpected" shouldn't initiate derision.
I'm sure that fire ants, killer bees, cougars and bears aren't too common in your neck of the woods.

It's one thing to deal with a known danger, but, it's quite another to be surprised by an unexpected danger.


Thomas Dai

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Re: An unusual hazard for a southeastern course in Florida would be
« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2014, 05:07:36 AM »
I recall watching the South African Sun City tournament on TV a few years ago.

Slithering across a fairway was a big fat snake. Some of the TV crew following the players didn't allow sufficient distance and it was a spitting cobra. Yip, you guested it, the cobra raised itself up and spat in the eyes of one the TV's crew who was standing quite a few feet away. It was later reported that the TV crew only had empty water bottles near to hand so they had to improvise when trying to get to wash out the blokes eyes. The reporting was in a rather coy manner which suggested that the 'water' they used might have been warm and yellowish in colour. It was later reported that the bloke was okay afterwards, I hope so.

I believe an English tourist in Mexico was grabbed by a croc a few months ago while playing out of a bunker adjacent to a pond. I think his playing partners may have used their clubs to wack the croc a few times and it let him go.

atb

Jim Nugent

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Re: An unusual hazard for a southeastern course in Florida would be
« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2014, 08:13:43 AM »

I believe an English tourist in Mexico was grabbed by a croc a few months ago while playing out of a bunker adjacent to a pond. I think his playing partners may have used their clubs to wack the croc a few times and it let him go.


It took place in Cancun.  One of the guy's partners hit the croc with his club, while the other ran over it with his cart.  (See -- carts ARE important in golf!).  Even after letting go of the golfer, the croc started attacking the cart. 

This was at least the second croc attack at the course.  Another croc took two fingers off a golfer there. 

Joe_Tucholski

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Re: An unusual hazard for a southeastern course in Florida would be
« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2014, 10:25:45 AM »
Walking up to a ball in the fairway and realizing I was in the sights of snipers was a bit unnerving the first time it occurred. 

Jeff_Brauer

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Re: An unusual hazard for a southeastern course in Florida would be
« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2014, 10:35:40 AM »
At Sand Hills, I darn near sat on a rattler, taking pictures from above the bunker on 18.  He rattled, he looked, and I jumped out of harms ways.  I have seen Bear, Moose, Alligators, snakes, etc.  Closest call was a hanging snake in Florida.

Speaking of Australia, I was warned not to hang my camera on the hook of the trolley, as it was common for nearby Aboriginals to jump out of the rough/trees and steal such items.  Memory fuzzy, can't recall exactly which course that was.
Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

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