[Dan Kelly]

Inspired by the uphill-par-3s thread:

What are the architectural concepts that modern architects would pretty unanimously agree are "abominations"?

[Peter Pallotta]

Dan - I've never heard an architect use that word (it has 5 syllables, after all...), but I'm almost certain that no modern has designed anything resembling Firestone in a long long time. It's the only look/ethos from the past that I don't think I've seen embraced even once, by any of today's working architects. Do they consider it an abomination? I don't think so -- but I'm guessing they consider it the kiss of death, career wise. (Hint to ambitious young apprentice, eager to stake out new ground and make a name for him/herself -- go where no modern has gone before...channel the spirit of Robert Trent Jones!)

Peter

[Mark Saltzman]

I would have said the bunker-tree double hazard, except, well I've seen Ted Robinson design one.

Oh, and Tom Doak too 

[Rees Milikin]

a course with little to no trees

[RJ_Daley]

90degree or less, doglegs?

[John Crowley]

a course with little to no trees

In the U.S. possibly. In Scotland, no.

[Jon Wiggett]

Artificial water close to the green.

Jon

[Sean_A]

Abominations only exist in theory.  Archies will do what they have to make things "work" even if it means building an abomination. 

For me, it is definitely formal bunkers next to water; looks stupid and defeats the value of a water hazard.  If the sand can't be made to look like a real beach - give it a miss.

Ciao

[Thomas Dai]

Runway tees?
Fountains in lakes?
Flower beds?

atb

[Josh Stevens]

Abominations only exist in theory.  Archies will do what they have to make things "work" even if it means building an abomination. 

For me, it is definitely formal bunkers next to water; looks stupid and defeats the value of a water hazard.  If the sand can't be made to look like a real beach - give it a miss.

Ciao

So that would make the 12th at augusta an abomination.
As a general rule i tend to agree but there are many instances it can work as it creates a half hazard or even a bail out option which can be preferable to the binary nature of a pond.

[Ally Mcintosh]

Abominations only exist in theory.  Archies will do what they have to make things "work" even if it means building an abomination. 

This is really the correct answer.

Although to take the question in the manner it was meant, it all depends on the architect.

I've seen some who would consider anything other than a Par-72 (2-5-2) with returning nines an abomination. At the other end of the scale, I've seen architects who might consider a 100 degree dogleg with blind drive, blind second shot, a "floating" pond on top of a hill and a tree in the middle of the fairway normal....

[Mike_Young]

Courses or architects?

[Rees Milikin]

a course with little to no trees

In the U.S. possibly. In Scotland, no.

I should have noted that, but that was what I was thinking.

[Adam Clayman]

Boutique design firms that design in the dirt, at a fraction what an accredited prof
essional could charge.

[BCrosby]

Courses or architects?

 

[Sean_A]

Allowing Encouraging non-fine grasses to cultivate on Links and Heathland courses by over watering, over fertilising, using seed that isn't fit for purpose etc etc.

It may not be a feature per se, but is an underlying condition that is as abominable as any out of place water feature.

Ciao

[Terry Lavin]

I would have said the bunker-tree double hazard, except, well I've seen Ted Robinson design one.

Oh, and Tom Doak too 

I saw one at Hideout in Naples.  It was my only visceral negative thought about the entire course.

[Lou_Duran]

Allowing Encouraging non-fine grasses to cultivate on Links and Heathland courses by over watering, over fertilising, using seed that isn't fit for purpose etc etc.

It may not be a feature per se, but is an underlying condition that is as abominable as any out of place water feature.

Ciao

Can one love the heath look while hating the plant?  Maybe not quite an abomination, but certainly can be a time-wasting, wrist-jamming nuisance.

My candidate is the longish par 4 or 5 where one has to position a well-hit drive in order to then have an angle between tall goal-post trees for a long second shot.  Put a creek running perpendicular to the line of play some 200 short of the hole, taking out the shaped run-up shot and it's a real clunker.

[Garland Bayley]

a course with little to no trees

Well then, I guess they are just going to have to cancel the 2015 US Open.
 

[Sean_A]

Abominations only exist in theory.  Archies will do what they have to make things "work" even if it means building an abomination. 

For me, it is definitely formal bunkers next to water; looks stupid and defeats the value of a water hazard.  If the sand can't be made to look like a real beach - give it a miss.

Ciao

So that would make the 12th at augusta an abomination.
As a general rule i tend to agree but there are many instances it can work as it creates a half hazard or even a bail out option which can be preferable to the binary nature of a pond.

Not quite Josh, just the bunker.  You  know something is wrong with a hazard when touring pros use it as a good miss.  This is a classic containment bunker, but in the centre of the park - daft.  Put a nose on that spot and balls trickle back to their deserved watery grave.

Ciao

[Thomas Dai]

Revised version of Brian/Sean -

Allowing Encouraging non-fine grasses to cultivate on Links and Heathland and Parkland courses by over watering, over fertilising, using seed that isn't fit for purpose etc etc.

atb

[Joe Hancock]

a course with little to no trees

Well then, I guess they are just going to have to cancel the 2015 US Open.
 

I think a treeless course is an abomination even if the USGA chooses it to hold an Open. Heck, a course being chosen to hold an Open makes it an abomination, so you're way off.

Joe

[Wade Whitehead]

I would have said the bunker-tree double hazard, except, well I've seen Ted Robinson design one.

Oh, and Tom Doak too 

And Donald Ross.

WW

[Josh Stevens]

I have no problem at all with a bunker like that being used as a good miss.  Having a cowards way out by ignoring the pin and going at the bunker is a good strategic option to have. If you have a green that the average 20 handicapper would be unable to hold, then you need a plan B

I would lose the pond before I would lose the bunker.  To me it is water that is the abomination

[Greg Murphy]

A hole that requires a 6 or 7 iron or less off the tee followed by a fairway wood or hybrid to the green or lay up area.

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