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Dan Kettler

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First Scotland Trip
« on: August 16, 2013, 09:35:12 PM »
While I had to pull out the "bucket list" card and promised something meaningful in return, the spousal unit has approved a trip to Scotland next summer.  Trying to put the plan together and looking for some feedback on the must plays, what felt overrated and general lessons learned on trips taken.  

A couple of things about the trip.  Duration will be 10 - 14 days, will be playing a single with non-playing wife in tow.  Won't be able to play 36 holes since wife will be along.  No specific budget limit, but will still be looking at value proposition.  Decent enough player that hard courses won't bother.

Inclined not to head up north to Dornoch, etc.

Any help is appreciated to make this truly "bucket list" worthy.

Bill_McBride

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Re: First Scotland Trip
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2013, 09:54:20 PM »
Suggest equal time in Edinburgh and St Andrews.  Plenty for spousal unit to do and you can take the train out to Gullane and North Berwick.  Get a links card in St A.  Two fun cities and LOTS of great golf.  

Bart Bradley

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Re: First Scotland Trip
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2013, 10:07:17 PM »
Dan:

What does your wife like to do?  I think that makes a big difference in answering your question.  Does she like to go look at Castles, poke around in shops, ride horses, go to museums? 

Bart

Joe_Tucholski

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Re: First Scotland Trip
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2013, 10:18:21 PM »
Dan I finished a trip to the UK with my wife last month playing as a single (my wife did walk a lot of the courses).

My trip was a bit longer, only playing 18 was a rare slow day and up north to Dornoch was my favorite part of Scotland.

Give a little something about what you’re looking for.  If you are only playing one round a day over 10-14 days it sounds like an Open Rota trip is what you are looking for.  That seemed to be what most of the American guys I met at the big name courses (TOC, Dornoch and N. Berwick) were doing.  I was looking for value, LOTS of golf, didn't want to be in cities, didn't care about driving and didn't care about staying in 5 star places.

The nice thing about Scotland is you can play pretty much any course you want...you just need to figure out what is important to you.

Jud_T

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Re: First Scotland Trip
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2013, 11:22:03 PM »
Dan,

As mentioned it really depends on what you and your wife are looking for.  Things I can unequivocally endorse:  1. Prestwick 2. The Old Course 3. The haggis at Turnberry.  Courses I'm most sorry not to have played: 1. North Berwick 2. Askernish 3. Cruden Bay 4. Machrihanish 5. Brora 6. The Machrie 7. Himalayas putting course.  Course I'd probably skip next time: Turnberry.  Tough championship course that a guy who doesn't normally like 'em fully endorses: Carnoustie.  Thing I'd most like to do outside of golf: vertical tasting at Glenmorangie.
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Andy Shulman

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Re: First Scotland Trip
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2013, 01:05:16 AM »
Dan - I've done Scotland solo in '03 (without GF or wife) and I'm just back from my first visit to Dornoch, which I loved.  That said, if it were my first (and possibly last) trip to Scotland, I'd definitely spend some time in and around St. Andrews.  It's a very cool place that both the golfer and non-golfer can enjoy in equal measure.  Besides, you've got to play The Old Course!  While the other St. Andrews courses are not my favorites, the 3-day pass does meet your value criteria, esp if you play the top three (Castle, New and Jubilee).  I'd instead try Crail (it's tons of fun) and/or Elie and then hit Carnoustie on my way to the Highlands.

Value abounds in the Highlands, even at Royal Dornoch, and you'll save even more $$$ if you pick up a Dornoch Firth Golf Pass (http://www.dornochfirthgolf.co.uk/default.php).  Royal Dornoch is a fabulous course and we thoroughly enjoyed both Brora and Golspie as well.  Check out the falconry exhibit at Dunrobin Castle while you're in the area.

And, if there are two other courses you can squeeze in, I'd make them Prestwick (+1 to all of Jud's suggestions) and North Berwick.  That's a lot of driving, but manageable for a 10-14 day trip.  That gets you three current or former Open rota courses (Old, Carnoustie and Prestwick), plus Royal Dornoch, a dash of quirk (N Berwick, Crail and Elie) and some rounds on courses that actual Scots play!

Michael Goldstein

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Re: First Scotland Trip
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2013, 09:47:12 AM »
Highly recommend traveling through Skye to Uist. Particularly for your wives sake. Once you get there you can nip out to play at Askernish. A great way to spend a couple of days unless you have an aversion to (incredibly beautiful) 5 hour drive each way.

Repeat the exercise down the Mull of Kintyre and out to Islay (more great golf on this trip with Machrihanish x 2 and The Machrie and can bookend the drive with Prestwick / Turnberry etc).

The other week - Edinburgh and/or St Andrews and fill your boots. If you go around this time of the year its the fringe festival in Edinburgh. St Andrews is good for non golf tourism but note that golf will generally be a 4/5 hour affair with advance plans required.  

And try and play with the locals! They're good Craic.
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Dan Kettler

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Re: First Scotland Trip
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2013, 03:49:26 PM »
Dan:

What does your wife like to do?  I think that makes a big difference in answering your question.  Does she like to go look at Castles, poke around in shops, ride horses, go to museums?  

Bart


Bart - good questions and thanks for the post.  My wife is definitely taking one for the team in making the trip, but with some decent lodging, meals and wine she will be content as it is still vacation after all.  Of those things mentioned, she actually wouldn't mind doing all of them, just not one of them every day.  Guessing equestrian would be first, sight seeing second and while she likes shopping guessing it won't impress.  

Ken Moum

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Re: First Scotland Trip
« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2013, 07:23:22 PM »
I am currently in Dornoch with my wife, who is a very, very avid golfer.  So our situation is a bit different than yours.

We were here on a two-couples trip in 2006, and one thing this trip has convinced me of is that playing lesser-known courses is a a hell of a lot of fun, and WAY less costly. And looking for Open competitions to play in is another way to enjoy Scotland at value prices.

Just this morning we played a mixed foursomes with a £10 entry fee for both of us.  Last week we played one at a course that would have been £90 for both of us to play, but the entry was only £18.

You can find a good list of them here: http://www.scottishgolf.org/index.cfm?objectid=9433383D-CE9C-8542-E9CB510BC6A412D1&fuseaction=doCompSearch

The thing that makes these even more fun is playing in competition with Scots.  And inevitably it seems that the locals are truly happy to have Americans playing in their events.  Today, the Secretary made certain to get the details on our home course so he could "show the captain," what kind of entrants the club had attracted.  It's been a looong time wince anyone cared that much about a yutz like me playing their course.

And to make the day even more fun, we played the round in 2 1/2 hours.

Our follow competitors were on holiday but the husband grew up nearby and they'd played the course dozens of times.  He said, "Make sure to tell your friends that they should look for lesser-known courses. Too many American comes here and only play the famous courses, paying too much money, and often struggling to get around a hard course."

Playing a "member's course" on real links land is one of the best things you could ever do.  Two days ago we drove from Nairn to play Fraserburgh, and drove past at least a half-dozen courses that are calling my name.

Today, our partners suggested stopping at Strathlene, and while we didn't have time to play, the site of the course is amazing.

K
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Bart Bradley

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Re: First Scotland Trip
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2013, 08:08:44 PM »
Dan:

What does your wife like to do?  I think that makes a big difference in answering your question.  Does she like to go look at Castles, poke around in shops, ride horses, go to museums?  

Bart


Bart - good questions and thanks for the post.  My wife is definitely taking one for the team in making the trip, but with some decent lodging, meals and wine she will be content as it is still vacation after all.  Of those things mentioned, she actually wouldn't mind doing all of them, just not one of them every day.  Guessing equestrian would be first, sight seeing second and while she likes shopping guessing it won't impress.  

Dan:

Horseback riding near Turnberry is excellent, and quite good near N. Berwick and Dornoch.  My wife (who loves to ride) says the riding place near Cruden Bay was lousy.

Tantallon Castle near N. Berwick is way cool and of course the town of St. Andrews is quaint and the historic ruins of the cathedral are really cool.

Let me know if you'd like help.

Bart

Matt MacIver

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Re: First Scotland Trip
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2013, 09:59:59 PM »
A night or two at Gleneagles probably makes sense for the two of you. You could buy a logoed trinket for next years' Ryder Cup but play the Kings course instead!

David_Tepper

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Re: First Scotland Trip
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2013, 10:34:48 PM »
"Two days ago we drove from Nairn to play Fraserburgh, and drove past at least a half-dozen courses that are calling my name."

Ken M. -

Yes, there is plenty of good golf on the Moray coastline between Nairn and Fraserburgh. While not a links (but still very close to the ocean) Alister Mackenzie's Duff House Royal in Banff is highly recommended.

DT

Niall C

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Re: First Scotland Trip
« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2013, 09:45:47 AM »
Ken

To endorse DT's recommendation of Duff House and say it is one of those courses that you drove by between Nairn and Fraserburgh and even though it isn't a links, it's quite exceptional. Good on you for recommending the non-championship courses, I've been doing it for years on threads like these but seems visitors aren't really interested in a "locals" recommendation, so perhaps a fellow yanks recommendation will make them sit up and notice.

Strathlene - played it a number of times and one of my favourites along the Moray coast. Sits on a clifftop with seaviews on every hole (dream on Donald Trump). What us locals call good holiday golf. It's not really a links in most part, having more of a moorland feel to the turf on some of the holes. It's also not a great course but has some great golf IMHO. Also BTW, one of the friendliest clubs you'll find. If you want any other recommendations along that stretch I'd be happy to oblige.

Niall

Tony_Muldoon

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Re: First Scotland Trip
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2013, 04:37:24 PM »
Sooo much choice.

Just to back up those who suggested a visit to Edinburgh during the festival (August).   Accomodation does get more expensive but there is nothing quite like it. We've based our family break there for the past two years. Shows at the festival cover all tastes and no need to pay more than £10 a ticket. Have yet to see the Military Tatoo but there must be a reason why it sells out year after year. There's more history to the city than most countries can offer a tourist.


Using public transport I've played N Berwick, Lonniddry (ahem), Gullane and Mussleburgh.  St Andrews is also doable.

Feel free to shoot me a PM nearer the time.  Enjoy the trip.
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Rich Goodale

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Re: First Scotland Trip
« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2013, 05:15:09 PM »
Dan

Reject your inclinations and go to Dornoch.  Shop in Edinburgh and/or Glasgow on the way up and down.  Rent a house or flat in the town (~$500-1000/week).  Dine out at Luigi and the Golf Club, dine in cooking the local produce (buy your wines in Glasgow/Edinburgh on the way up--Majestic is the best place to go).  Play both courses at Dornoch as well as Brora, Golspie, Tain, Portmahamock and Bonar Bridge (all within 30 minutes) and others if you want to venture further.  Ride horses, ride bikes, jog, walk the magnificent beach, vist the local castles and museums, get to know the natives just by settling into the Royal Dornoch clubhouse at least an hour or two each day.  Enjoy the incredibly beautiful and long days (up to 20+ hours, if you come in the June/July period).  Sip whisky at Glenmorangie, Clyneleish and Dalmore and or in th elocal bars.  Watch the salmon leap at Shinn Falls.  Drive to Kylesku on the West and/or Durness at the far north.  Relax.  Enjoy.

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David_Tepper

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Re: First Scotland Trip
« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2013, 05:56:39 PM »
"(buy your wines in Glasgow/Edinburgh on the way up--Majestic is the best place to go)"

Rich -

There is a Majestic wine shop in Inverness, just off the A9.

http://www.majestic.co.uk/inverness

DT
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Wayne_Kozun

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Re: First Scotland Trip
« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2013, 09:33:59 PM »
I did my first Scotland golf trip in 98 and my two resources were Blasted Heaths and Blessed Greens, which is a book by Jim Finegan, and Dan King's Golfweb (how many of us remember Golfweb and their Architecture forum) series "Scotland on my Mind" which Dan has now posted starting here:  http://www.danking.org/day1.html