[Patrick_Mucci]

modified ?

Why ?  And how does it need to be modified ?

[bstark]

  Maidstone. In my opinion it's the one course out on ELI that pales maintenance wise to its' neighbors.

  Issues that should be addressed are; Traps being inconsistent, drainage stinks in the middle of the course, and if possible the 18th hole should be tightened up off the tee.  I know there has been work done recently addressing the drainage and water....

[Adam Clayman]

Merion. Their maintenance presentation is so much less sophisticated than their architecture.

[JESII]

Not sure about the sophistication but if Merion went to wall-to-wall fairway cut it would be mind-blowing and incredible playability.

[Josh Tarble]

There are SO MANY courses that would be a lot more enjoyable and probably challenging (at the same time) if fairways ran directly into bunkers

[Adam Clayman]

Not sure about the sophistication but if Merion went to wall-to-wall fairway cut it would be mind-blowing and incredible playability.

It would also make every hazard "in play".

The USGA tweeted a flyover of the 2nd par 5 (4th?). The creek was impossible to reach, unless one flew it in. And the cross bunker's leeward side had long rough. So much for taking on the bunker and being rewarded with success.

[Michael George]

Bandon Dunes:

#1 Green needs to be moved west of the new #2 tee.  This will allow hole not to play along out of bounds border of McKee's Pub.  Some modest reshaping of the fairway will be necessary.  Improves routing and walkability as walk down the hill from 1 green to 2 tee and back up the hill to 2 green is awkward.  Plenty of dunes in that area to either create raised or punchbowl green.  Made possible with the renovation to #9 discussed later.  

#9 Move fairway to west side of dune where practice range used to be.  Green can remain where it is.  Hole can then play along the dune with "Alps" characteristics on the 2/3 shot.  One of the worst holes at the resort instantly becomes much better hole.  Also, helps fix problem with #1.

#18 Move fairway and green directly along ravine to the right.  Creates "Cape" hole where angles are much more in play.  Was shocked playing this hole for the first time and not seeing use of this wonderful natural feature.

[Paul Jones]

Old Head - remove half of the bunkers. 

However, I would say that of a lot of new courses, especially when they use them for decoration and/or have them on directly opposite sides of the fairway.

Thanks,
Paul

[PThomas]

Presidio in SF Patrick..I think the design is good and if it had more drainage, was better maintained and had some trees removed it would be ver good

[Sam Morrow]

Obviously the Old Course.

[Greg Tallman]

Diamante - need to replace the existing 12th and 13th holes and move the 9th green away from the 50 foot wall of the clubhouse that is now a few feet from the back right bunker and maybe 10 yards form the putting surface....

Wait, There is a good guy on it all ready!

[Mark Johnson]

torry pines south...


bulldoze and start over.   such a waste of a very good piece of land.

[Matthew Petersen]

torry pines south...


bulldoze and start over.   such a waste of a very good piece of land.

I'm not sure how much better it could really be. You just can't build right up against the cliffs, for the most part, in a way that the site seems to cry out for.

Now, the inland holes could probably be better, with fewer trees and more angles, but that inland part of the course isn't all too interesting as land goes. Really, that's a site about views and that's most of what the course offers. I understand wanting ti to be more, I'm just not sure what more could be done that's actually feasible.

[David Ober]

modified ?

Why ?  And how does it need to be modified ?

Poppy Hills

Because it sucks

In every way possible

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And they're actually going to do it!!! Woohoo!!!

[Paul Jones]

Obviously the Old Course.

Good one.

[Lyne Morrison]

bstark

Does the game really need sophisticated – and costly - maintenance, all of the time?
I played Maidstone last October and found its character delightfully refreshing among a group of courses with all the ‘bells and whistles’.

Lyne

[Jud_T]

University of Michigan.  Needs greens and bunkers recaptured and tree pruning.  Fortunately it's happening and is in good hands.  

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,34505.0.html

In other news, my daughter just got accepted to UM today so I'll be reporting in regularly on the work as it happens!

[Patrick_Mucci]

Not sure about the sophistication but if Merion went to wall-to-wall fairway cut it would be mind-blowing and incredible playability.

Jim,

Certainly restoring maximum width would be terrific.

Unfortunately, that would be bucking some modern day trends

[Paul Gray]

There are SO MANY courses that would be a lot more enjoyable and probably challenging (at the same time) if fairways ran directly into bunkers

+1 to that.

[Matthew Rose]

ANGC. Shorten #7 by 70 yards, get rid of the pines on 7, 11, 15, 17, and eliminate the second cut.

[Adam Clayman]

Unfortunately, that would be bucking some modern day trends[/color]

This stands out as an odd comment. What modern day trend is that?  

The entire golf world only has to wait one year to see The Deuce with only two HOC. Fairway and green.

There's only one reason for the choking presentation for this years Open. It's score related. Similar to the justification Mr. Dawson gave for altering the auld sod.

[Adam Clayman]

Dave, It's a great idea in concept, BUT, sand does not naturally occur on most of that site. It would all blow away. There's a reason why the original look didn't survive. Yes I'm sure that with a huge maintenance budget, they could make it work. But have you seen how many levels of management have to get paid at the PBC?

[Patrick_Mucci]

Dave, It's a great idea in concept, BUT, sand does not naturally occur on most of that site. It would all blow away. There's a reason why the original look didn't survive. Yes I'm sure that with a huge maintenance budget, they could make it work. But have you seen how many levels of management have to get paid at the PBC?

Adam,

The question would seem to be, when did the original bunkers devolve into their current state.

Were they Egan's or Fowler's or Hunter's or Beale's bunkers to start with ?
But, that's really another question.

When did the original bunkers lose their style.

I'm with Dave, a restoration would be spectacular.

I know you've spent a lot of time on the penisula, but, I'd like to know when the original bunkers disappeared.

[Patrick_Mucci]

Unfortunately, that would be bucking some modern day trends[/color]

This stands out as an odd comment. What modern day trend is that?  

The trend to narrow fairways to protect par.
Haven't you been aware of it ?

The entire golf world only has to wait one year to see The Deuce with only two HOC. Fairway and green.

There's only one reason for the choking presentation for this years Open. It's score related. Similar to the justification Mr. Dawson gave for altering the auld sod.

Adam, narrowing fairways began a long while ago, when automated irrigation was introduced, but, in modern times, additional narrowing has been in vogue as a defense intended to protect par.

[Patrick_Mucci]

There are SO MANY courses that would be a lot more enjoyable and probably challenging (at the same time) if fairways ran directly into bunkers

Josh,

It's unfortunate that a trend developed in America that introduced buffers of rough, fronting hazards, most likely, in the misguided name of "fairness"

The practice became systemic and only recently have inroads been made on reversing it.

Hopefully, the trend to reverse will gain more traction.

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