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Jason Thurman

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No such thing as good position
« on: February 18, 2013, 09:41:18 AM »
The 10th at Riviera has been around for the better part of a century and there's still no accepted "smart" way to play it. Everyone is out of position beginning on the tee, and stays out of position at least until they're safely on the green (and sometimes even after reaching the green). It's just an awkward hole from everywhere with no "correct" strategy available.

What are some other examples of holes like this? The Road Hole? 17 at Sawgrass?

Is it always evident of good design?
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Rich Goodale

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Re: No such thing as good position
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2013, 09:57:30 AM »

What are some other examples of holes like this? The Road Hole? 17 at Sawgrass?


Neither TRH or 17TPC are good examples.  Each requires a precision shot off the tee.  In the case of 17TPC, "HIT THE GREEN, STUPID!" comprehensively encapsulates the strategy involved.  In the case of TRH, "HIT THE FAIRWAY, STUPID!" does the same.  If you fail to execute either directive you are F****D, and "strategy" goes out the window, to be immediately placed by the primordial "FIGHT OR FLIGHT" instinct.......
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Blake Conant

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Re: No such thing as good position
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2013, 11:21:30 AM »
Good post.  I don't know if the golfer is out of position, but he or she is definitely uncomfortable.  It's absolutely fair to put obstacles in the spots where a typical shot may end up.  As long as the designer creates other options, it can be successful.  Thomas obviously left the player with a number of options.  The player might not think they're ideal, but they're fair.  You can't say it's always evident of good design, because good design is measured by a lot more than that, but it's a key component.

Patrick_Mucci

Re: No such thing as good position
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2013, 02:57:52 PM »
Jason,

Diagonal greens tend to challenge the golfer more than other shapes/orientations.

Add in proper bunkering/and/or features, and the challenge is considerable.

In golf, so much of the challenge depends upon three factors, the hole/feature confronted, the golfer's brain and how the golfer has played up until the point of decision.

Nigel Islam

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Re: No such thing as good position
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2013, 10:29:25 PM »
Jason,

Diagonal greens tend to challenge the golfer more than other shapes/orientations.



I think that statement is so simple and yet so powerful.

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