[William_G]

but the list of contributors should be kept private

I am fortunate to participate on this site and gladly help out with $ as I do on other sites

while being generous here is a good thing, some folks can misuse this information with no repercussions

thank you

[Mike Sweeney]

Contributions have been there forever. They seem to grow every year. I personally don't care how Ran uses them.

Let just figure out a suspension system/program for Pat Mucci instead:

• Pat Mucci has to play 10 public golf courses this year
• Pat Mucci has to play in three states other than New York, Florida, and New Jersey (the Mr. Moore - Sweeney Maine trip is typically in late August Pat!)  
• Pat Mucci has to attend a real football game this yearly, namely an SEC game (he could knock off part of 1 and 2 on this trip)
• Pat Mucci has to promise NOT to be press secretary to Chris Christy when he runs for President  
• Pat Mucci has to take the SAT to see if he could even apply to Notre Dame these days.

[jeffwarne]

Ran has a small tab to acknlowledge contributers.
It is quite appropriate and discreet, and is frankly is probably unnoticed by many on this site.
There is a cost of operating this website and participating as well as contributing is strictly voluntary.

There have been comments that an accounting of the expenses of the websites should be made public, which I think is utter nonsense, given that contributions are voluntary and not actively solicited.
If one is not a heavy user or is not in a position to make a contribution, I see no reason why they should.
If you find value and entertainment in the site, and think of it as a valuable resource, by all means contribute

Should participants highlight the list and mention those whose names don't appear on the list?
Definitely not, as perhaps not all are listed, or perhaps some contributers value their privacy, or perhaps have their own reasons for not making a VOLUNTARY contribution.
The contributers tab is always there, so those so inclined to take a peek will, and those who feel there's an error can have it corrected.



and Mike, that SAT for Pat, would it be a real one or a virtual one?

[John Kavanaugh]

I give God 10% why should I give Ran 18%?

[Craig Van Egmond]

The contributions tab is just fine.  Must be more important things to worry about. 

[Ronald Montesano]

If you want to pile on, send a PM to the guy.

[jeffwarne]

If you want to pile on, send a PM to the guy.

I'd suggest simply taking this thread down (as well as the other one) and  all the "piling on" goes away.

[Patrick_Mucci]

William Grieve,

STOP WHINING

ALL YOU DO IS START THREADS WHERE YOU WHINE

STOP BEING A WIMP AND STOP WHINING

It's unbecoming of a man
 
but the list of contributors should be kept private

I am fortunate to participate on this site and gladly help out with $ as I do on other sites
while being generous here is a good thing, some folks can misuse this information with no repercussions
Since when is quoting a list that Ran publishes in the contributions section misuse.

STOP WHINING AND START CONTRIBUTING !

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[Patrick_Mucci]

Contributions have been there forever. They seem to grow every year. I personally don't care how Ran uses them.

Mike, perhaps Ran should also start a list of "WHINERS"

Let just figure out a suspension system/program for Pat Mucci instead:

• Pat Mucci has to play 10 public golf courses this year

. Pass

• Pat Mucci has to play in three states other than New York, Florida, and New Jersey (the Mr. Moore - Sweeney Maine trip is typically in late August Pat!)  

Do CT, RI and PA count ?   CA ?

• Pat Mucci has to attend a real football game this yearly, namely an SEC game (he could knock off part of 1 and 2 on this trip)

How about the Auburn vs Vanderbilt game ?

• Pat Mucci has to promise NOT to be press secretary to Chris Christy when he runs for President  

Promise

• Pat Mucci has to take the SAT to see if he could even apply to Notre Dame these days.

I'm sure that I'd get in under the early admissions program, if not, I could always get in to Boston College

Do you think colleges have courses in "whining" ?   Like whining 101 ?   Intermediate whining ?
Advanced whining ?
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[William_G]

wow, LOL 

kind of a "frosty" response from "the owner"

[Steve Lapper]

but the list of contributors should be kept private

I am fortunate to participate on this site and gladly help out with $ as I do on other sites

while being generous here is a good thing, some folks can misuse this information with no repercussions

thank you

Why should it be private? Postings made by those who do and don't contribute are public. As others here have pointed out, the contributions tab is small and voluntary to click on, and has been here far longer than you (and anyone else who has complained about it).

The rules for participation and site functionality on this site belong to exactly two people, Ran & Ben, period. Not you, nor I or anyone else. Their time and graciousness has facilitated a vast amount of information, construction (and otherwise) conversation, personal and professional bonds, and a veritable lifetime of architectural education. All of this comes with a cost and those who spend hours posting here should unquestionably make a financial contribution that enables them to qualify as a productive member of this treehouse. The amount is voluntary so whether it's $10 or $100 matters not.

Some people waste a ton of space here, adding little in terms of content, and even less in financial support. Is that a sustainable model for an meaningful and influential website?

As for Pat, I know the man and while his online personality allows for questioning on occasion, his offline presence does not. He is a generous, kind, occasionally intelligent ( ) funny and entertaining man. He's single-handedly done more for the spread of the GCA gospel than 95+% of those who waste black ink on these pages. And, btw...he can flat out play.

That said, like Sweeney, I'm a seller of Pat's ability to find himself admittable today to ND (without friends greasing the skids )......but then again Mike Sweeney, could you or I get into our respective Ivies today either? I, for one, highly doubt it!!

[Terry Lavin]

Gray,

You really lost me with this thread.

[Garland Bayley]

Gray,

You really lost me with this thread.

That's OK Terry. You lost me from day one on this site.
 

[Terry Lavin]

Gray,

You really lost me with this thread.

That's OK Terry. You lost me from day one on this site.
 

To be dissed by a guy with an Elmer Fudd avatar is the apogee of irony.   

[Jud_T]

I hate to admit it, but Steve has a point.    Any semi regular participant or lurker should contribute according to his means.  This is the best value in golf and entertainment going for $71 a year...

[Jason Thurman]

while being generous here is a good thing, some folks can misuse this information with no repercussions

The repurcussion for any post here is the damage done to the poster's credibility or reputation.

If you're correct in thinking that you've been bullied or had information misused against you because the contributors are listed publicly on this site, then I'm sure any harm done was to your transgressors and not to you. If you're really just whining, as some have suggested, then you'll likewise be judged accordingly.

We're all smart enough to identify buffoons, crybabies, frauds, and dorks. Taking action to buffonproof, crybabyproof, fraudproof, and dorkproof the world is like cancelling recess for everyone because one kid farted during the morning announcements.

Contributors are critical to this site and should be recognized. Removing the Contributions tab will inevitably result in fewer site contributions. Golf Club Atlas shouldn't need to tighten its budget just because a few people get their feelings hurt once in a while.

[John Kavanaugh]

I would love to hear about these other internet sites where William donates money.  Buying clothes from J.Crew is not donating.

[Bill_McBride]

Gray,

You really lost me with this thread.

That's OK Terry. You lost me from day one on this site.
 

To be dissed by a guy with an Elmer Fudd avatar is the apogee of irony.   

Daffy Duck wasn't available.

[RJ_Daley]

Gee, I've been looking for years around my area for a par 65 executive course to call my home club.  Alas, my home track is a par 72 and we don't have par 65 executive courses here on the frozen tundra!  You lucky cheap bastards that have executive par courses available!!!! 

[Bill Crane]

I started the December 19 thread “2012 contribution to Golfclubatlas.com” to garner some support for Ran and defray some of the expenses of running such a site.  Without really focusing on it, it just appeared to me that expenses would exceed income.  At this point it looks like it was read 1,714 times and there were 37 replies.  It was really a nudge and reminder to people to jump on the bandwagon.

My philosophy is to support the institutions on an sustained basis that really mean something to me.  Frankly, I think of anyone who is a member here and doesn’t contribute as basically a freeloader, even though it is clearly optional. From my perspective, it is akin to the little old courses with an Honor Box at tee, and some people are playing without putting their green fees in the box.
Not to mention that if Ran has resources he may be able to post more course reviews.

I don’t understand the issue with listing the names, our names are already all over this site and already searchable because of that.  If the amounts given were posted, or you could elevate yourself to a higher “society” level as many colleges do, I could perhaps understand some reticence.  Maybe Ran would make listing your name as optional.

Wm Flynnfan

[Anthony Butler]

I made a recent contribution... It is interesting that most of the types here who are thumbs-up for Koch Bros. Adelson etc. using the Citizens United decision to disguise their contributions to efforts that undermine unions, environmental legislation, Chuck Hagel and basically anything else Obama supports are all for mandatory disclosures of contrbutions here..

[JLahrman]

I started the December 19 thread “2012 contribution to Golfclubatlas.com” to garner some support for Ran and defray some of the expenses of running such a site.  Without really focusing on it, it just appeared to me that expenses would exceed income.  At this point it looks like it was read 1,714 times and there were 37 replies.  It was really a nudge and reminder to people to jump on the bandwagon.

My philosophy is to support the institutions on an sustained basis that really mean something to me.  Frankly, I think of anyone who is a member here and doesn’t contribute as basically a freeloader, even though it is clearly optional. From my perspective, it is akin to the little old courses with an Honor Box at tee, and some people are playing without putting their green fees in the box.
Not to mention that if Ran has resources he may be able to post more course reviews.

I don’t understand the issue with listing the names, our names are already all over this site and already searchable because of that.  If the amounts given were posted, or you could elevate yourself to a higher “society” level as many colleges do, I could perhaps understand some reticence.  Maybe Ran would make listing your name as optional.

Wm Flynnfan

Agree with all you're saying, but...

- Isn't listing the name already optional?

- The list is not cumulative. As I mentioned on another thread, I contribute every year in April. I have not done so yet this year, so my name does not show. The page currently says "The 2013 voluntary donations from the people and organizations below...", so as I understand it we're only seeing people who donated in the last month. I donate during Masters week because golf is on the brain and it's easy for remember to send it to Ran. I'm not going to change my contribution date to January 1 so that I can prevent being called out.

- If contributions were meant to be mandatory, Ran could charge an annual fee. I hope everybody does contribute, but Ran's business model is apparently working. For people to be called out for not contributing - and particularly because somebody like me could be mistakenly called out for not contributing because my name is not currently on the list - is distasteful. A nudge/reminder is fine (I was on here for a couple of years before I even noticed the Contributions tab), but in the end whether a person is contributing or not should be between Ran and the poster.

- The Contributions page also says that "contributions should not exceed the par of your favorite course", so posting the amounts that people donate seems silly in more ways than one.

- I also agree with those who disagree with starting another thread to discuss this, and I'm moderately disappointed in myself for posting on this thread. There are other ways to address the issue...privately contacting Ran for instance. Or withdrawing oneself as a member. The internet manners of some on this site are shameful, but as of today I keep reading and contributing. Perhaps the tipping point has been reached for some though?

[jeffwarne]

Bill,
The differerence between Honor boxes and GCA donations is Honor boxes are not "voluntary".


The Contributions tab is sufficient and appropriate.

drawing attention to who's not on it in a thread is probably not, otherwise Ran would've not used the word "voluntary"

That said, anyone who starts more than one thread to complain about the negative attention probably deserves the internet venom they draw.

and RJ, I play the majority of my rounds at a favorite of mine, a par 33! ,but was too embarrassed to use that as a basis.

[John Kavanaugh]

I requested that my name be kept off the list knowing that it would aggravate the types of busybodies that read those types of lists. One benefit is that they then donate even more so they can feel superior to people they perceive to be like me. That people is how you cyberbully in the knotteens.

[Mike Sweeney]

I requested that my name be kept off the list knowing that it would aggravate the types of busybodies that read those types of lists. One benefit is that they then donate even more so they can feel superior to people they perceive to be like me. That people is how you cyberbully in the knotteens.

I am calling BS on this one.

If you can get two people (there is always one), to say that they contributed more to GCA.com this year so that they could feel superior to that lowlife cheapskate, JakaB who is not on the list, I will double my 2013 contribution !

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