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BCrosby

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Re: Your single favorite hole on an unranked course...
« Reply #75 on: January 19, 2013, 10:01:11 AM »
Ken -

The 7th at Culver when I played it back in the day was a 190yd. Redan w/ grass bunkers. As I recall, the green was slightly elevated, like the real thing. Great hole.

The 9th at Chastain is an uphill par 4 with a creek crossing the fw at a diagonal, calling for choices from the tee. The green is elevated and very good.

Bob

Ken Fry

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Re: Your single favorite hole on an unranked course...
« Reply #76 on: January 19, 2013, 10:40:22 AM »

The 7th at Culver when I played it back in the day was a 190yd. Redan w/ grass bunkers. As I recall, the green was slightly elevated, like the real thing. Great hole.

The 9th at Chastain is an uphill par 4 with a creek crossing the fw at a diagonal, calling for choices from the tee. The green is elevated and very good.

Bob


Bob,

I thought that may be the hole at Culver.  The back to back par 3 holes are both quite spectacular.  If only the original green could be recaptured on the 8th hole.  The severe diagonal ridge separating the front and back sections of the green surprised me.  It's quite a bold feature.

Ken

Steve Lang

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Re: Your single favorite hole on an unranked course...
« Reply #77 on: January 19, 2013, 11:23:51 AM »
 8) 4th @ Blaketree.. Cape Me!




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Sam Morrow

Re: Your single favorite hole on an unranked course...
« Reply #78 on: January 19, 2013, 01:26:10 PM »
I would nominate one of two par 5's from Pensacola CC, the 6th or the 14th.

Paul Dolton

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Re: Your single favorite hole on an unranked course...
« Reply #79 on: January 19, 2013, 02:16:29 PM »
The 8th at Queens Park , Bournemouth. A great municipal course and ex European tour venue.

Matthew Rose

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Re: Your single favorite hole on an unranked course...
« Reply #80 on: January 19, 2013, 02:25:38 PM »
Two from my formative years.

8th at Janesville (WI) Country Club. 300 yard uphill dogleg right par four with a fairway sloped left. Tiny push up green which dropped off on all sides into deep rough or trees. Terrifying approach even with a flip wedge! Green you can four-putt very easily.

10th at Janesville (WI) Riverside Golf Course. Short par-five, tee shot into a valley, blind second shot up a steep hill to a flat spot on top, green tucked back into trees.

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Re: Your single favorite hole on an unranked course...
« Reply #81 on: January 19, 2013, 02:34:55 PM »
Good idea John.  

One of my favorites that never really gets any credit is the cliffhanger par 3 at Tumblebrook Golf Course in Coopersburg PA.   It's about 140 yards of peril as the green sits on the side of a very large slope.  A great all or nothing shot and the green has some neat ridges running through it too.  When I took John Lyon out there, he loved it too.

Mark

Nice call on Tumblebrook--though I think it's the 5th there, not the 3rd.

There are lots of candidates I can think of for this list.  Usually, they are going to be holes from muni courses or low-key private clubs that don't get a lot of attention.  There are tons of Philly courses on this list, which never get ranked in PA for some ridiculous reason.  Jeffersonville, Merion (West), Mark Twain and Brook Lea also could contribute holes, but they didn't make the cut.  I'll say this, too: all of the upstate NY courses mentioned are worlds better than Kaluhyat (which has maybe 4 good holes), but somehow none of them were ranked ahead of it in the recent Golf Digest poll.  Okay, ranking rant over, THE LIST:

My eclectic 18, with cost included for each public course:

1) Paxon Hollow, 350, Par 4.  ($45 on the weekend) Genuine cap hole, makes a thrilling start to a thrilling round.
2) Byrncliff, 520, Par 5.  ($25, but the host never lets you pay) Classic par five in that it gets tougher as you get closer to the green.  But it's unlike anything I've seen elsewhere.
3) Hackensack, 230, Par 3.  The Biarritz, perfectly redone.  This course seems to get lost somewhere in the swamps of Jersey, but it's a solid track.
4) Huntercombe, 330, Par 4.  Does this course ever get ranked?  If not it should.  The green is a thriller on this short par four.
5) Tumblebrook, 140, Par 3.  (What did we pay Mark? $10?) As described by Mark and Jim.
6) Lederach, 540, Par 5.  ($65 with their made-up walking rate) One of many I could have chosen from this place.  The tee shot and the wild green make this a hoot.
7) Thendara, 370, Par 4. ($22 on a fall Saturday afternoon) Two GIANT mounds in the middle of the green.  You have to see it to really understand.
8. Canterbury Woods, 230, Par 3.  ($40) Why this course gets no coverage, I don't understand.  It's a little remote, but it's great as a bargain public course.  This man-sized par three is truly epic.
9) Irondequoit, 510, Par 5.  There were a couple threads about this one last year.  This hole, and this course, is a blast.

10) Schuylkill, 410, Par 4. This one's for you McKeever. Hug the drop off on the right side, and you'll get the best angle in to a wild green.
11) Oak Hollow, 430, Par 4.  ($15) Bunkerless long par four, which makes great use of terrain, the lake shore, and a wild green.
12) Cobb's Creek, 440, Par 4.  ($18 or so) You have to rip a tee shot, and then hit a perfect draw for the second shot.  The green is wicked.
13) Winston Lake, 360, Par 4.  ($10) A cult favorite of mine, Winston Lake.  This hole encapsulates what I love about this golf course.
14) Mill Creek, 450, Par 4.  ($35 in the fall) The ownership converted this to a five, but it's great as a multi-option long four.
15) Morgan Hill, 540, Par 5.  ($50 or so) One of the best golf holes I've ever played.  Housing aside, Morgan Hill is one of my favorite courses I've ever played.
16) Inniscrone, 380, Par 4.  ($45) The green site is one of the coolest in golf.  It helps if you listen to the Mars Volta on the tee.
17) Long Shadow, 210, Par 3.  ($5 when it was open) I don't care if the course is defunct right now, this is an incredible par three.  Plus it cost my dad and I 10 bucks (total!) to play this in early 2009.
18. Durand Eastman, 420, Par 4.  ($15) Another local favorite of mine, very early RTJ with the bunkering removed.  This hole, fortunately, didn't need any bunkers.  Buffalo GCAers: you should check this one out sometime.
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Andy Troeger

Re: Your single favorite hole on an unranked course...
« Reply #82 on: January 19, 2013, 02:56:19 PM »
My original answer would have been #18 at Blackthorn in South Bend, IN, but they goofed with the fairway bunker that made the drive challenging. Its still a good hole and very fun, probably not great.

If Tobacco Road wasn't rated on the Digest state list, I could come up with a handful of choices there. Tot Hill Farm #6 and 7 are both really great little holes, but the stretch following them is a bit clumsy.

Also the par four fifth at the CC of Indianapolis is really cool.

Bill Gayne

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Re: Your single favorite hole on an unranked course...
« Reply #83 on: January 19, 2013, 04:31:29 PM »
The second hole at Royal New Kent.

Justin Ryan

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Re: Your single favorite hole on an unranked course...
« Reply #84 on: January 21, 2013, 05:51:20 AM »
The 4th at Westgate. Excpetional use of the burn.


Mark McKeever

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Re: Your single favorite hole on an unranked course...
« Reply #85 on: January 21, 2013, 09:28:57 AM »
Good idea John.  

One of my favorites that never really gets any credit is the cliffhanger par 3 at Tumblebrook Golf Course in Coopersburg PA.   It's about 140 yards of peril as the green sits on the side of a very large slope.  A great all or nothing shot and the green has some neat ridges running through it too.  When I took John Lyon out there, he loved it too.

Mark

Nice call on Tumblebrook--though I think it's the 5th there, not the 3rd.

There are lots of candidates I can think of for this list.  Usually, they are going to be holes from muni courses or low-key private clubs that don't get a lot of attention.  There are tons of Philly courses on this list, which never get ranked in PA for some ridiculous reason.  Jeffersonville, Merion (West), Mark Twain and Brook Lea also could contribute holes, but they didn't make the cut.  I'll say this, too: all of the upstate NY courses mentioned are worlds better than Kaluhyat (which has maybe 4 good holes), but somehow none of them were ranked ahead of it in the recent Golf Digest poll.  Okay, ranking rant over, THE LIST:

My eclectic 18, with cost included for each public course:

1) Paxon Hollow, 350, Par 4.  ($45 on the weekend) Genuine cap hole, makes a thrilling start to a thrilling round.
2) Byrncliff, 520, Par 5.  ($25, but the host never lets you pay) Classic par five in that it gets tougher as you get closer to the green.  But it's unlike anything I've seen elsewhere.
3) Hackensack, 230, Par 3.  The Biarritz, perfectly redone.  This course seems to get lost somewhere in the swamps of Jersey, but it's a solid track.
4) Huntercombe, 330, Par 4.  Does this course ever get ranked?  If not it should.  The green is a thriller on this short par four.
5) Tumblebrook, 140, Par 3.  (What did we pay Mark? $10?) As described by Mark and Jim.
6) Lederach, 540, Par 5.  ($65 with their made-up walking rate) One of many I could have chosen from this place.  The tee shot and the wild green make this a hoot.
7) Thendara, 370, Par 4. ($22 on a fall Saturday afternoon) Two GIANT mounds in the middle of the green.  You have to see it to really understand.
8. Canterbury Woods, 230, Par 3.  ($40) Why this course gets no coverage, I don't understand.  It's a little remote, but it's great as a bargain public course.  This man-sized par three is truly epic.
9) Irondequoit, 510, Par 5.  There were a couple threads about this one last year.  This hole, and this course, is a blast.

10) Schuylkill, 410, Par 4. This one's for you McKeever. Hug the drop off on the right side, and you'll get the best angle in to a wild green.
11) Oak Hollow, 430, Par 4.  ($15) Bunkerless long par four, which makes great use of terrain, the lake shore, and a wild green.
12) Cobb's Creek, 440, Par 4.  ($18 or so) You have to rip a tee shot, and then hit a perfect draw for the second shot.  The green is wicked.
13) Winston Lake, 360, Par 4.  ($10) A cult favorite of mine, Winston Lake.  This hole encapsulates what I love about this golf course.
14) Mill Creek, 450, Par 4.  ($35 in the fall) The ownership converted this to a five, but it's great as a multi-option long four.
15) Morgan Hill, 540, Par 5.  ($50 or so) One of the best golf holes I've ever played.  Housing aside, Morgan Hill is one of my favorite courses I've ever played.
16) Inniscrone, 380, Par 4.  ($45) The green site is one of the coolest in golf.  It helps if you listen to the Mars Volta on the tee.
17) Long Shadow, 210, Par 3.  ($5 when it was open) I don't care if the course is defunct right now, this is an incredible par three.  Plus it cost my dad and I 10 bucks (total!) to play this in early 2009.
18. Durand Eastman, 420, Par 4.  ($15) Another local favorite of mine, very early RTJ with the bunkering removed.  This hole, fortunately, didn't need any bunkers.  Buffalo GCAers: you should check this one out sometime.


Great insight John.  Yeah, Tumblebrook didnt cost us more than 10 bucks or so.  And Schuylkill's tenth is an awesome one too!  I tell people that the green is like a giant pringle chip that runs away from you. 

Mark
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Chris_Blakely

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Re: Your single favorite hole on an unranked course...
« Reply #86 on: January 21, 2013, 11:54:42 AM »
#10 The Powelton Club, Newburgh, NY.  One of my favorite Emmet greens.

Chris

Michael George

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Re: Your single favorite hole on an unranked course...
« Reply #87 on: January 21, 2013, 10:12:41 PM »
I am surprised that every hole at Dismal Doak is not listed on this string John?  It still remains unranked ;)

My one hole would be #17 at The Country Club (PP).  I honestly think it is one of the great holes in the US and is never discussed.

Here are a couple of other great holes on not often mentioned courses:

Brookside (Canton) #14
Canterbury #15
Kirtland #12
Firestone West #15
Firestone North #16
Fowlers Mill #12
Congress Lake #16
Treetops Signature #11
Little Mountain #18




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Gary Slatter

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Re: Your single favorite hole on an unranked course...
« Reply #88 on: January 21, 2013, 10:37:46 PM »
The 8th hole at Uplands GC in Toronto.  Great par three around 210 - 225 yards, a Stanley Thompson course, nine holes still survive.  The hole is from an elevated tee to a green built into the side of a hill, surrounded by trees right, dead left, tough short, perfect.  I Played it in a match play event against George Knudson, he said it was the best par three in the world, Moe Norman agreed.
The 7th hole is also a superb downhill par four with a sunken green, used to love playing the hole.

Islington GC 10th hole, another great par three.

11th hole, par four at Canouan GC (Trump International but nothing to do with Trump since opening).  Great uphill tee shot followed by downhill second, cape hole with view of Atlantic Ocean to the left and Caribbean Sea to the right.  Jim Fazio design. 
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: Your single favorite hole on an unranked course...
« Reply #89 on: January 21, 2013, 10:50:52 PM »
I am surprised that every hole at Dismal Doak is not listed on this string John?  It still remains unranked ;)

My one hole would be #17 at The Country Club (PP).  I honestly think it is one of the great holes in the US and is never discussed.

Here are a couple of other great holes on not often mentioned courses:

Brookside (Canton) #14
Canterbury #15
Kirtland #12
Firestone West #15
Firestone North #16
Fowlers Mill #12
Congress Lake #16
Treetops Signature #11
Little Mountain #18






Michael,

Have you bothered to play Sleepy Hollow near Cleveland. I'll go with the long par 3 #2. I do love that course.

Ross Harmon

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Re: Your single favorite hole on an unranked course...
« Reply #90 on: January 21, 2013, 10:51:56 PM »
#13 at CommonGround (or Riverdale Dunes).

I suppose they're ranked somewhere but they're not private or overseas so they don't confer any bragging rights.  

Why #13 at Riverdale? I love that course, but that hole doesn't stand out as one of my favs. If anything, it's one of my least favs because the green is so shaded (wet in spring, covered in leaves in the fall).

But, since we're discussing Riverdale now... My personal favs would be #6 and #14. :)

Nigel Islam

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Re: Your single favorite hole on an unranked course...
« Reply #91 on: January 21, 2013, 11:03:40 PM »
French Lick - Ross #14

Honorable Mentions:

Greywalls #7
Lawsonia #6

I wanted to put a French Lick hole as my choice, but I couldn't separate the holes enough to pick one. 5, 8, 11, 13, 16, & 17 all could have been my choice.

Nigel Islam

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Re: Your single favorite hole on an unranked course...
« Reply #92 on: January 21, 2013, 11:06:18 PM »
I consider any of the 1700 U.S. courses on a raters ballot to be ranked.  I wonder if some of you guys play anywhere else.  I may have even stretched it picking a hole from Evansville Country Club considering it gets a mention in the Confidential Guide.

What about that short par 3 at ECC? #9 I think.  I really like that hole too.

Nigel Islam

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Re: Your single favorite hole on an unranked course...
« Reply #93 on: January 21, 2013, 11:09:34 PM »
OK, I'll try again, given the new guidelines.

#12 at Sahm Park, an Indianapolis municipal course.  Currently $15 for 18.  Early-60's Dye.  Everything is "wrong", and it all adds up to fantastic:  Dogleg banked the opposite way and a creek on the margin of the outside.  Huge trees very much in play.  You cannot see the green from the tee -or- your second.  The parts offer no defensible reason to call it great, but the sum of the (w)hole makes frequent unexpected appearances daydreams, elbowing aside much more noted holes I've played and am supposed to like better.

Great hole. You have to hit a big hook around the trees and then its almost a bounce up shot down the left bank to a tiny green. I always thought #6 there was very good too.

John Kavanaugh

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Re: Your single favorite hole on an unranked course...
« Reply #94 on: January 21, 2013, 11:12:48 PM »
I consider any of the 1700 U.S. courses on a raters ballot to be ranked.  I wonder if some of you guys play anywhere else.  I may have even stretched it picking a hole from Evansville Country Club considering it gets a mention in the Confidential Guide.

What about that short par 3 at ECC? #9 I think.  I really like that hole too.

The 9th is a fine hole because it requires a half club more than the yardage indicates. You gotta make up ground on 8, 9 and 10 which also adds to the excitement.

Michael George

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Re: Your single favorite hole on an unranked course...
« Reply #95 on: January 21, 2013, 11:23:20 PM »
John-
I have played Sleeppy Hollow many times and really enjoy it. I like holes 2-3 but if I had to pick, I think I like the stretch from 13-17 better.

Just an oversight.
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Jud_T

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Re: Your single favorite hole on an unranked course...
« Reply #96 on: January 24, 2013, 07:50:22 AM »
How about the 7th at Spring Valley?  That can't be on anyone's raters card.
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Phil McDade

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Re: Your single favorite hole on an unranked course...
« Reply #97 on: January 24, 2013, 08:21:04 AM »
How about the 7th at Spring Valley?  That can't be on anyone's raters card.

Jud:

Considering raters would have to know the course existed -- yes, I'd say that's a safe bet. What's interesting to me is that Spring Valley has three par 3s -- 5, 7, and 17 -- that various folks who are fans of Spring Valley rate as their favorite short hole on the course. I personally like 7 the best, but 17's green is maybe better than any green at Lawsonia. When playing there once with the world's fastest golfer, I remarked that I thought 17 was the best green at SV. He replied: "It's the best green in the Tri-State area."


John Foley

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Re: Your single favorite hole on an unranked course...
« Reply #98 on: January 24, 2013, 09:01:32 AM »
How about the great drive-able par 4 #15 at Pine Barrens World Woods in FL - great risk reward hole!
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Phil McDade

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Re: Your single favorite hole on an unranked course...
« Reply #99 on: January 24, 2013, 09:06:57 AM »
How about the great drive-able par 4 #15 at Pine Barrens World Woods in FL - great risk reward hole!

In the spirit of JakaB ;) -- wouldn't this thread be better served if we can avoid holes on courses profiled here on GCA?



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